oh ny liquor board wtf

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The state liquor board yesterday imposed an immediate four-month freeze on approving liquor licenses for areas of New York City that already have three or more license holders within 500 feet of each other.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/nyregion/07liquor.html

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Man, that is a maddeningly stupid and pointless non-solution.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

What they really need to do is outlaw STUPID.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeah like this block already has 3 bars so we're going to keep the situation under control by not allowing another one - but dudes the block already has 3 bars (and likely more).

plus booze is sweet - liquor licenses should be free.

free the liquor licenses.

and if you don't like puke on your stoop maybe you shouldn't live in the e village (or williamsburg or other large swaths of the city).

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

We're going to keep the situation under control by not allowing another one FOR FOUR MONTHS.

By then we'll, uh, uh, hey what's that over there?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I sympathize with my friends who don't feel like giving up their $600 East Village 1BRs that've been home since the junky 80s just because gentripreneurs want to turn their quiet side block into the newest chic pukerie. I sympathize too with bar owners who've sunk their savings into a project, but a little less so. I'm glad the moratorium doesn't extend to restaurants.

As for a real solution, hm. San Francisco (I think) has a cap on the total number of licenses in circulation, and the result is that all its bars are miserably overcrowded.

― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

NOT HOW BROKEN WINDOWS ACTUALLY WORKS
THANKS BLOOMIES

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

BROKEN WINDOWS DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORKS
THANKS RUDY

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

MEMO TO CUTE WHITE WOMEN IN BARS: STOP DYING

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

i would happily step over a little puke for a $600 apt

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Real solution = stricter accountability for bars which allow customers to get blasted out of their fuckin' mind. One of these bars was serving to an 18-year-old, so that's the end of them anyway.

Bars should have rules about customers drinking to excess and enforce them. Drunks should be cut off. Bartenders and staff need to be "encouraged" to cut them off or ask them to go home - put incentive where it can actually make a difference. Incentive in this case perhaps being not fines levied against non-compliers, since that technically is already in place and nobody gives a shit except places which are overly worried about civil suits, but some other kind of system whereby bars that see most of their customers home safely are rewarded somehow. Zagat's for nightclub safety. Who knows. I could figure something out but the city won't pay me so fuck 'em.

Also, possibly consider closing before 4am. Not that that really stops people from getting completely smashed by 10:30 if that's what they want to do.

(I should've been kicked out of the Magician in July 2003 long before I smashed all the empty glasses on our table and puked on a Mr. Strickler, for example)

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

if broken windows doesn't work then obviously the answer is to start aborting female white "victim" babies next?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Drunks should be cut off. what? no. ok maybe if having trouble standing or being unbearable jerk. but if you want to help cute girls to not die probably a no 10 shots in 10 minutes rule would be better.

Also, possibly consider closing before 4am. nonononono omg no

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

if broken windows doesn't work then obviously the answer is to start aborting female white "victim" babies next?

i get the reference but i wish i didn't cause this would be one of the most wonderfully incompressible statements ever.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

According to an insider, off the record, the real point of the moratorium is not to "crack down" -- that's just the spin -- but to give the SLA a shot at catching up on their serious backlog of paperwork. Apparently the worst is when a license application is rejected and appealed -- there are just two guys who handle all the appeals, and the queue can be years long.

― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

maybe hire a couple more guys or something

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

what? no. ok maybe if having trouble standing or being unbearable jerk. but if you want to help cute girls to not die probably a no 10 shots in 10 minutes rule would be better.

what in the world do you think I meant by the word "drunks?"

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

nothing like closing the barn door after the horse has been dead and gone for a decade. this isn't going to address the real problems - accountability for existing bars and how to deal with areas that are already terribly oversaturated.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

my point is you can be not drunk then take a bunch shots real fast then die. also you can be drunk and drink more and be relatively fine. the dying from alcohol poisoning comes from stupid youths drinking lots fast.

xpost

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

But um, both of those girls were murdered.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

areas that are already terribly oversaturated.

isn't it kind of universally agreed that this is one of the things that makes new york a charming place, crowed streets a 2am? songs have been written etc.

also oversaturated from what point of view? clearly there's enough people who frequent said places to make them the way they are.

not that i would want to live in those places.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

But um, both of those girls were murdered.

oh that is true, hello readin comprehension.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

i ust kind of scanned and filled in the blanks. this makes even less sense than i thought.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Crowded streets at 2am: charming. Bellowing frat packs at 4am: less charming.

― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

well banning those dudes would be a start

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I did say to outlaw stupid....

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

so does that mean that there will be even MORE loud drunks in hoboken?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Would you even notice the increase past a certain saturation point? If only they started falling out of solution....it would solve so much.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's where the alcohol poisoning comes in.

― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

If only they started falling out of solution....it would solve so much.

i don't understand what this means, but i want to.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

i'd prefer if they started falling INTO the hudson river, myself.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

*roars of laughter from similarly drunken frat buddies*

next suggestion

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

If these entrepreneurs really put their heads together on this one, maybe they could turn Inwood into a happening "destination" bar scene.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

is solution a bar?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

isn't it kind of universally agreed that this is one of the things that makes new york a charming place, crowed streets a 2am? songs have been written etc.

songs have been written about not being able to use the sidewalk on ludlow street on a saturday night because of overspill from dozens of bars in a two-block radius? we're not talking about the same thing.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - (Dude, it's a chemistry thing. Like e.g. a solution of something in water; when it gets oversaturated, the solid will start dropping out.)

xpost - (Actually Lauren I did write a song about that, sorry.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

one surefire way to reduce sidewalk overspill would be to unban cigarette smoking in bars.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Would the sidewalks be as crowded if you could smoke a fucking cigarette (or 10) INSIDE the bar? Just sayin'. ;)

OMG XP

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

re les sidewalks: yeah i don't really go there, but when i do i'm impressed, if not pleased.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking more huey lewis w/news.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

i do love the smoking ban though - no more stinky clothes!

(guess i'm kind of arguing against myself here)

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

oh ok thanks i don't know chemistry

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

secon'hand smoke more fatal than previously suspexted, u know

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Still stuck hanging out in/around it either way in the situation outlined above.

― Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Thursday, 7 September 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

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― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

if broken windows doesn't work then obviously the answer is to start aborting female white "victim" babies next?

Ha ha ha I actually wasn't mocking you or anything but we should try to milk some grant money out of this idea once Bush is out of office.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

As of yesterday, one of the most inspired restaurants I've been to in the last year -- Uovo -- is out of business because they couldn't get a liquor license and hence couldn't turn a profit.

― Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

what happenned to EU and Orchard? did they get liquor licenses yet?

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

i think the orchard has gotten one, but eu's still in limbo.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

last couple nights it's seemed more crowded at metropolitan and union than on 2nd ave. but that's fine.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

it's final, bloomburg has ruled: citizens of new york city, you are all helpless children.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/27/nyregion/27fat.html

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

hey bloomers, the fat people with heart disease in our city don't eat at restaurants. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO. KAFUCKING PICE?!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha whoops "your city" not "ours" though I guess NYC does actually belong to all americans especially since them terrists

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

HEY U FATTAYS!?!

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the title said:"Oh my liquor board wtf" which I got all excited about till I go into the thread and realized there wasn't going to be a liquor message board. :-(

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

i love booze - let's make it happen

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Surely some white woman somewhere died near Paris Hilton, or in the presence of Paris Hilton related merchandise. Ditto Ashton Kutcher.

Also, do obese people listen to a lot of Franz Ferdinand? Because I'd like somebody to do something about that.

― Fluffy Bear, among 100% of the population (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. bloomberg was just taking a preemptive strike against the new trend in addicts who are selling meth or malt liquor with shortening.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

or am i the first one to hear about crystal cookies?

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh, mayorpaws.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, since there's no cap on the size/sales of restaurants this affects, it mostly just seems like a public-health ploy to rid NYC of fast-food chains.

I don't so much mind being a helpless child on this one -- the less trans fats, the better -- but I can certainly see why the restaurant industry is miffed; this is a little hard to claim as a thing to regulate. (Some of them will have a hell of a time rooting trans fats out of their supply chains, too -- half the restaurants out there are just ordering in vast quantities of breads, flavored cooking mediums, and meat, and slapping it all together on-site, and those places would have to completely reconfigure their working models to comply with regulation.) But on the other hand, I don't buy restauranteurs' "personal choice, only affects the eater" rhetoric, because I've never been to a sit-down restaurant that gives any indication as to what in hell you're eating -- you make fairyland deductions based on how much you're paying, but you have zero idea what's in there.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I prefer being the helpless child who can't choose trans fat food to being the helpless child who can't choose to avoid trans fat food

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I THINK YOU GUYS MIGHT BE FORGETTING ABOUT FLAVOR

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

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― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

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― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

"The candy with the hole"

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

"Go on, lick it"

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

"YEAH, YOU LIKE THAT?? YOU LIKE THAT, DON'T YA."

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

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