the NY Dem primary election 2006

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I'm going to the polls mostly to flip off Hil with a Tasini vote, but I'd love to hear who I should vote for in my hideous House district where Major Owens is retiring. Carl Andrews is a sleaze, but Owens' son Chris seems the most tolerable, yet I'm not a fan of dynasties.

And Mark Green over Cuomoson for AG, alas.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm voting for Jenya's dad. I'd be for the Schumer alum, obv., if I were in yr district, but I admit to not knowing much about the other candidates.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm voting against Tasini, of course.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

tell me about tasini - why so little traction? why no support from the grass roots left?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm voting against Tasini, of course.

SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE.

if i lived in NY, i would vote for cuomo for AG -- but more because i despise mark green than because i like cuomo (who is also kinda repugnant).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

from a recent NYT article...

Mr. Tasini has qualified for the Sept. 12 primary ballot against Mrs. Clinton, and his positions on the Iraq war, the death penalty and gay marriage are in step with the progressive groups and liberal bloggers that contributed volunteers, money and buzz to Mr. Lamont. Yet some of these partisans say they are deeply reluctant, and in some cases scared, to criticize or abandon Mrs. Clinton, who supported the invasion of Iraq.

They cite her power in the Democratic Party and her careful positioning that has made her, if not antiwar, then a sharp critic of the administration's handling of Iraq, Hurricane Katrina and the economy.

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Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Senator Clinton, said his camp would ''see how the campaign plays out'' before making a final decision on a debate. But Mr. Wolfson pointedly added that the New York race would not be a replay of the Connecticut primary two weeks ago.

''The bottom line is that Hillary Clinton is no Joe Lieberman and Jonathan Tasini is no Ned Lamont, and no amount of increasingly over-the-top attacks from Mr. Tasini will change that reality,'' he said.

...

To many antiwar partisans and liberal groups, Mr. Tasini is also not enough of a threat to Mrs. Clinton to be useful in pressuring her over Iraq. They say that instead of intervening in the primary race, it is more important to keep Mrs. Clinton as an ally and try to influence her foreign policy in friendly ways, since she could well become a presidential candidate in 2008. Otherwise, some fear, she might freeze them out.

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Mr. Tasini said he had a chicken-and-egg problem: Groups like MoveOn.org say their New York members are not excited enough about Mr. Tasini to become involved in the race, yet these groups have not systematically polled members to determine that.

As a result, Mr. Tasini has had little help with introducing himself to voters. Some of them are not sure what to make of him, anyway.

Tramping across picnic blankets before the outdoor movie in Bryant Park on Monday night -- ''Take off your shoes,'' people yelled -- Mr. Tasini drew skeptical glares as he bellowed: ''New York Democrats? Any Democrats here?''

Here and there he was invited to make his pitch: that Senator Clinton ''supports criminalizing flag-burning,'' ''supports discrimination against gay couples on marriage,'' and ''supports the Yankees even though I'm the lifelong Yankees fan.'' He was clearly grateful for any attention.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I note that the article echoes my hypothesis that Hillary has been using the idea of a Presidential run to draw attention from and money to her reelection campaign.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

maybe I'll write in Brodeur

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, NYT and gabbneb fail to mention that Tasini doesn't have Lamont's $X million! Oh, and Hillary has been soooo receptive to left Democrats in the best of times -- classic Dem Fraidy Cat bullshit.

Wayne Barrett on Andy Cuomo's cuddliness with a slumlord:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0636,lozano,74361,6.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)


Jenya's dad

?? Is this Yassky the Carpetbagger? (naturally, with the Chuckie Shillmer tie I eliminated him right after Andrews.)

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0636,robbins,74363,5.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

from the second sentence of the NYT article: "...while Mr. Lamont united liberals and used $4 million of his own money to win his primary..."

Is this Yassky the Carpetbagger?

don't you mean "colonizer"?

Jenya

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

three years ago, Robbins deemed Yassky a campaign-finance-assisted outsider challenging the machine.

I guess you can't vote for Clarke, though, cuz she was endorsed by another Schumer guy.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

this guy says Owens, Jr. is definitely the choice for you

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

from the Times endorsement...

Mr. Yassky is undoubtedly an opportunist, as are most politicians and certainly all those in this race. But far more important is his stellar record on the Council, leading groundbreaking work on gun control, affordable housing, the environment and jobs creation -- all important to the 11th District.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

would that be Ratner-style affordable housing?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb: why are you voting hillary over tasini? what policies/positions specifically?

morbs: why are you voting (are you voting?) tasini over hillary? what policies/positions specifically?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

blount, like most voters I don't vote for "policies/positions specifically." voting isn't like picking a dish off a menu.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Sure it is, and Rodham is poison.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Can Clinton Win the House For Democrats?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

My first thought was, which one?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb are you voting hillary cuz you'd rather have a beer with her???

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

No, but I would rather have a beer with her than Tasini, I'm sure.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

in part, though, I'm voting for her because Lindsey Graham and John McCain would rather have a beer with her

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what a triangulated beer tastes like. Or one with no timetable. Or one that guarantees Israel the right to defend herself, or...

(anyone to the left of gabb pls contribute, for the love of mike)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Lieberman fans should note Clarke's intent to contest on the Working Families line if she loses the primary

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

NYO's The Politicker

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yassky's the only candidate to rule out a third-party bid

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

endorsements in the 11th

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Daily News endorses Clarke

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Can Clinton Win the House For Democrats?

This is the same sort of logic that allows a politician to claim, for example, that his opponent voted 'for continuing fraud and abuse of the welfare system', if they voted against a bill making welfare recipients waive their right to privacy, or, to claim their own efforts 'won the war', if they voted for an appropriation bill.

In this world of twilight logic, any chain of causation you can imagine happening is given the same weight as an accomplished fact and then made the occasion for speculative praise or blame. The disheartening thing is that those who most successfully distort the truth tend to rise the highest.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 9 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, no, it's not. I don't necessarily agree with the argument - I think it's more likely that we win or lose in the intermountain west seats rather than NY - but there is a scenario in which the NY seats would make the difference and Hillary's ability to drive turnout could tip those seats in our favor. The possibility of Tasini doing that is exactly zero.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

but my implying the latter was incidental to my general interest in political speculation nerdism

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

political speculation nerdism as a basis for yr vote is contemptible.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 September 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Porky.gif

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 September 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

morbius what's the basis for yr vote again?

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 9 September 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

once again, i repeat -- MORBS TO THE LEFT OF ME, GABBS TO THE RIGHT ...

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 9 September 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

morbs has never expressed any actual politics so i'm not sure exactly where on the spectrum he is!

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't believe in isms, I just believe in me.

The basis for my senatorial vote is HRC is a right-wing New Democrat.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

How the hell do ppl decide what judges to vote for? If I don't know much, I skip em.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

does that disqualify your ballot? i just take guesses if i don't have a decent endorsement...

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 11 September 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

no, it doesn't disqualify yr ballot. i imagine lots of people skip them, while lots of others vote party-line.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I skip offices all the time. Very likely Spitzer-Suozzi tomorrow.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

i don't understand the point of skipping offices. or not voting for spitzer, for that matter.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 11 September 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Some of us are skippers, some guessers.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

New levels in nerd-dom (read: procrastination) - #1 in the ED! A beatiful Ayem in NYC. No judges on the menu.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

two posters stapled together around a pole, they're everywhere right now - handsome hakeem jeffries (often defaced by the stadium opponents), roger green (fighting for change or something) and of course lloyd bank$ (rotten apple out 10/10/06).

bank$ in 2006, bitches.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

The important thing to remeber is none of it matters and this country is fuct.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like lloyd bank$ is the perfect candidate for you!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)


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