Bush, US Army Field Manual, Senate Select Committee Intelligence Report on Iraq: Material detailing torture, American style

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Page views from Friday's Senate report: 'Detainee al-Liby tortured into confession. Material subsequently used in presentation of case for Iraq war.

New US Army field manual on interrogations.Restricted method: sleep deprivation OK, duct tape no longer OK.

Bush cites from old Afghan manual -- Guidelines for Beating and Killing Hostages. ORLY.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 10 September 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sleep deprivation induces pathological states. It is the equivalent to innoculating a prisoner with a debilitating disease in order to weaken them for interrogation. It is torture, pure and simple.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 10 September 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

The tortured debate on torture, American style.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

As talked about a bit on the primary thread but to revive a specific thread on the subject:

The White House said Wednesday that the widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding is legal and that President Bush could authorize the CIA to resume using the simulated-drowning method under extraordinary circumstances.

A lot of bilge in that article, but the kicker is at the end, emphasis mine:

During Tuesday's testimony, Hayden said that depriving the CIA of enhanced techniques would place America in greater danger. After the hearing, a senior U.S. intelligence official argued that waterboarding should not be considered torture because the U.S. military has subjected its own personnel to the method to prepare them for the possibility of being captured.

"Tens of thousands of American Air Force and naval airmen were waterboarded as part of their survival training," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We don't maim as part of our training. We don't mutilate. We don't sodomize. Those are things that are always bad. . . . Intellectually, there has got to be a difference between (waterboarding) and the others; otherwise we wouldn't have done it in training."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

...depriving the CIA of enhanced techniques would place America in greater danger.

Depriving criminals of the opportunity to steal places them at greater risk of poverty.

Aimless, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

the idea that anything you do in training is at all acceptable in a real prison setting is completely fucking absurd and makes me want to take said "official" quoted in the report and, uh, waterboard them, except with gasoline. as part of my training program to prove the difference between a scenario of indefinite length e.g. imprisonment with no recourse and a scenario which is only ever five days in length

El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

fucking 100% asswipes I work for

El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

it's exactly the same decontextualizing rationalization that got rodney king's lapd attackers off the hook -- you look at each thing, each blow, as a separate, justifiable act removed from any chain of such acts or anything else at all

Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 February 2008 01:36 (eighteen years ago)


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