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What makes a good DVD commentary? What turns you off? Is it always a 'bonus'? I must admit I like most a combination of pure enthusiasm and/or high-brow information (e.g. Scorcece or Ian Christie doing a commentary on Powell & Pressburger is a good bet). I hate it when the commentary amounts to the production and cast members kissing each others' ass and little else--"oh you were **sooo** good in this scene. Wasn't he so good in this scene, Robert?", "she's just a warm, dedicated, caring professional, and it was an honor to work with her, etc." Commentaries trying to entertain while they inform are hit and miss. I remember listening to the "Usual Suspects" commentary (I think it was the director and writer), and it just annoyed the shit out of me, because they would crack jokes (most not very funny) with each other every three seconds for each scene, like sub-par stand-up comics.

Also, where do you see the technology going? Will people get sick of it eventually?

Whill commentaries finally become self-conscious? I think it would be great for a commentary where the director's anecdotes become gradually more and more suspicious as the commentary goes along, until by the end you figure out that s/he's probably been pathologically lying about everything they've said up to that point, but they still never out and out admit it...

Joe, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd love to see a re-issued DVD commentary on the first edition DVD commentary. "Hey can you imagine how puffed up I was when I made the commentary for Spawn - like I really believed it wasn't crap?"

Pete, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There have been reports recently that commentaries may be on the way out due to cost -- originally most were done as free one-offs, if you will, by the participants, when Criteirion got the ball rolling with this back in the laserdisc days. But as DVDs really started to sell, more and more folks saw more and more chances to get money for their efforts. Arnie for Total Recall asked for $100,000 or something. Now this isn't a bad thing at all, actually -- especially if they're getting in folks with no residuals from the film who are then essentially helping to sell it again, for instance. But the film companies now are thinking that the extra money spent is an expense too far, which is typical and frustrating. So we shall see.

I love commentaries myself when available, and some certainly are better than others. Great example is on The Phantom Menace DVD, where Lucas and his ILM and technical crew have a variety of detailed insights to share, but where producer Rick McCallum offers up *nothing* but promo platitudes about the whole thing. Amazingly useless. Critierion, unsurprisingly, has an array of good commentaries via their discs -- offhand I'm thinking of the Titanic experts for A Night to Remember and Terry Gilliam for Brazil as highlights. Best commentaries for me strike a fine balance between entertainment and information, and there are some definite winners -- the whole Python crew on Holy Grail and Life of Brian, the 'Wonka kids,' in a great move, for Willy Wonka, and Patricia Quinn and Richard O'Brien for Rocky Horror. The last two in particular are pure camaraderie in action. The occasional 'commentary in character' can work as well -- Spinal Tap, notably, Buckaroo Banzai to a lesser extent.

Allegedly the best commentary ever in terms of sheer amusement is for John Carpenter's The Thing -- apparently it's Carpenter, Kurt Russell, beer and a huge amoung of weed.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, the Gilliam one for Brazil is excellent--he is generally informative, but also knows exactly when to get in a good crack or observation (same with Python in The Life of Brian). My favorite moment is when he calls the film "cinematic rape, where we drag the audience into a corner and beat the shit out of them."

I think Criterion Collection is definitely the best. Anchor Bay is also great, with their offbeat cult choices (Herzog, Hellman, Mike Nesmith-related, etc.).

Another idea they should try would be putting in two antagonists to do the commentary (like two members involved in the production who dislike each other both personally or professionally), who argue throughout.

Joe, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would love to do a Coyote Ugly commentary.

"This is how all great pop songs are written. on the roof of your building, adding hip-hop beats from the nearby buildings - under the moonlight whilst hearing some cats fight. Bish bash bosh - I've written Can't Fight The Moonlight".

Pete, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I watched that Fight Club fillum with commentary (done by the main actors). I stopped when they said "You must be a real fan if you listen to us chat about..." Uh yeah...

helenfordsdale, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

as a spinal tap saddo i found the commentary very good, not as good as the hour of extra footage (although i would give my first born for the alleged NINE HOUR first cut that apparently exists) and the findus adverts though... surely commentaries make being a film studies student a piece of piss though, especially as i imagine most lecturers/exam boards haven't quite caught up with the idea yet.

CarsmileSteve, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Any commentary on Werner Herzog films by Werner himself is nearly as entertainly as the film.

Jeff, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

has no one yet released a DVD where the "extra stuff" is (secretly) part of the actual whole central project?

(my lars von trier theory = his movies are the pretext for the surrounding interviews and doXoR but that is slightly difft)

mark s, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S,

That was another idea I was thinking of when I asked when they will get "self-conscious"...one where the commentary interacts with or changes the reality of the film in some way (plot, etc.). I'm sure someone will do it one of these days, if it hasn't been done yet.

Joe, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the commentary on the dvd of 'glitter' sounds like the director took about 8 sleeping pills immediately prior to being forced to watch the film AGAIN.

maura, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Steve, I'm not sure why you think it would make film studies a piece of piss. The directors commentary will - after all - merely be one critique of it. The work of art stands or falls on its own merits.

Pete, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eleven months pass...
Just to generalise wildly, I have to say I rather prefer actors' commentaries to director's. I like the balance between giving interesting behind-the-scenes anecdotes and just having a matey laidback laugh with the film. Some examples:

Richard O'Brien & Patricia Quinn: The Rocky Horror Picture Show (already cited).
Catriona MacColl & David Warbeck: The Beyond. These two actors have a fabulous good-natured chat about the film, their careers and give a fair insight into British actors' experience of the Italian film industry at the time.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Sunday, 12 January 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe that "The Goonies" were reunited to record a commentary when that film was released.

They should do the same for The Breakfast Club, which is crying out for a better release than the bare-bones Region 1 disc out at present.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Are those menu screens on DVDs part of the film in the same way that the posters are, or the way record covers are part of records? Or maybe more accurately, the way that title sequences are important.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Through the magic of DVD I've found that Jason Mewes is just like that in real life, only even less funny as he has more money than you will ever see or even imagine, and he rolls around in it naked, while laughing at orphans, every second that he's not in front of the camera.

Al Ewing (Al Ewing), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Commentaries that involve people who have had no hand in the production are almost always better, namely Ebert's track on Dark City.

Film historian Peter Cowie's commentary, though, IIRC, was at times too fannish and not critical enough.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 13 January 2003 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)

they're a bit pointless in general. As Trish Byrne says, when I read a book I don't want to read another book about how they wrote the book.

The only worthwhile DVD commentary is the one on "Dude, Where's My Car?".

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)

DV you dirty liar!

It's genius to turn on the commentary during Mariah Carey's Glitter when the movie takes it's invariable 'emotional' turns.

doom-e, Monday, 13 January 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
Recently watched the American DVD edition of 'Last House on the Left' w/ commentary from Writer/Director Wes Craven and Producer Sean S. Cunningham. Craven makes terrible wise-ass unfunny gags the WHOLE TIME, while Cunningham sort've mumbles and chuckles along - it's like these two Hollywood bozos are nervously afraid of the film's compelling ugliness...

Also bought the Region2 'Wicker Man' dbl DVD the other day, w/commentaries from Lee, Woodward and Hardy, 'moderated' by Mark Kermode, oh-oh

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 2 March 2003 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I reserve comment on DVD extras until someone buys me a DVD player. I'm poor and this is a good, charitable cause, because, really, how can life hope to much *anything* without a DVD player?

Donations welcome.

The new wave of half-baked, compensatory VHS extras are pretty weak, tho'. Missing scenes from Harry Potter -- a whole ten minutes, and they couldn't even let us see any of the Rik Mayall stuff that was apparently chopped out in its entirety. Pants.

Last House on the Left... I saw that horrible film years ago. I seem to recall the badass in it wrote the song 'Speedy Gonzales' -- lovely. And the badass's GF looks like Freddie Mercury with a bouf. (So what, I look like Freddie Mercury with Ozzy Osbourne's hair...) I retain the amusing stuff because on the whole I thought it was v. unpleasant. Which, I suppose, was the whole point, so fair enough.

ChristineSH, Sunday, 2 March 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant to say 'mean anything' rather than 'much anything'... I hate it when a typo spoils a joke that isn't even very funny to begin with...

ChristineSH, Sunday, 2 March 2003 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the FoToR special edition DVD. It has FOUR different commentaries. I will patently never listen to at least two of them... I mean, a commentary from the designers? jesus.

I had a great idea yesterday - that DVD's should have commentary tracks from YOUR MOTHER! You know, things like:

"Oh look, it's that fella again. Oh! are they married? I thought he was married to that other woman. ... Why did he say that? Where is he going now?"

and so on.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 2 March 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I highly recommend the "extras" on the Muppet Movie DVD - the screen tests are the funnist things I've ever witnessed - really. And the conversation with Kermit in the car as they're driving - yep, purely brilliant!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 3 March 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

It has FOUR different commentaries. I will patently never listen to at least two of them

Wimp. They're all pretty good, though definitely more technical in some cases than others.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

The commentary by John Milius & Arnold on the Conan collectors' edition is great, great stuff. "Totally hypnotized."

Millar (Millar), Monday, 3 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Movie commentaries on the whole seem somewhat dry and pointless, unless you really get something interesting out of it (Donnie Darko is a nice example here).

What I really like when it comes to making the most of DVD is comedy shows. You can have commentaries and outtakes, both of which add an extra layer of value if done well. Anyone who likes Black Books should get the DVD version right away and watch it with the commentary track on, which is Dylan Moran, Bill Bailey and Tamsin whatsername just drinking wine and talking shit while watching their own work. Taking the piss out of each other's hairdos and lines and things. It is hilarious!

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 3 March 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
interactive menus

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 1 December 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

One good one you wouldn't expect is on "Rock and roll High School".

Lots of anecdotes, cynisism, outright fibs, gens of truth, and genuinely amusing stuff.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 December 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

ah great, i just bought that for my gf! will investigate immediately...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

TV show commentaries are A Good Thing - I'd recommend the Spaced dvds as good example of this. Simon Pegg, Jessica Stephenson, Edgar Wright and a rotating group of the rest of the cast give a real insight (and as a number of them have been stand up comedians actually crack the odd funny joke)

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

is there some commentary of a michael bay director by like an established academic? or something.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine has a copy of Massacre in Dinosaur Valley, which has a *special* commentary by Michael Sopkiw, star of Blast Fighter, 2019, etc! Incredible.

Mestema (davidcorp), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

If it hasn't already been mentioned, the commentary on the "special edition" of This Is Spinal Tap is brilliant. Derek, Nigel and David (in character) watching and commenting on the film in character in hindsight. Absolutely hilarious. Like a whole `nother film. So worth it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

"he's dead."

Sailor Kitten (g-kit), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

OMG, Alex, OMG!!!!

Ajabot (ex machina), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

i really like the commentary on the futurama season 3 dvds. it's a nice big group of laughing people who really like each other, the writers are funny, and the voice actors are talented and play around with the different voices they do, sometimes commenting as Fry or the professor, etc.

something hilarious about the excess of commentary can be found in the commentary to the Perfect Score. the delusion on the part of the filmmakers is utterly shocking, and i wonder if the act of creating the commentary convinces these people that their art is important. i think the director said that he wanted to make a movie that wouldn't necessarily appeal to everyone but would be somebody's favorite movie. which was a really strange statement about a movie that had so diluted its characters into stereotypes in what felt like an attempt to appeal to everyone. dvd commentary = useless but amusing.

carly (carly), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Mark, is that R&RHS commentary from Allan Arkush? PJ Soles? Marky?

It takes an awful lot for me to listen to more than 15-20 minutes of a commentary. I buy very few DVDs and I'm not gonna watch a rental twice.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I bought Cannibal! the Musical for the commentary track alone.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Agreed on the Futurama commentaries. They're great! David X Cohen is adorably nerdy and detailled, and John DiMaggio and Billy West are soooo funny.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 2 December 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

human remains.

that's *HUMAN REMAINS* !!

thanks.

piscesboy, Friday, 2 December 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

From Amazon:

Producer Michael Finnell, screenwriter Richard Whitley and director Alan Arkush deliver an engaging and rather chatty audio commentary. The three men laugh and joke about working on Rock 'n' Roll High School. They clearly have fond memories of their experiences on the movie.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

There's some sort of "Special Edition" being issued this month.

My version cost a fiver, and you can get it as such from Fopp, etc.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)


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