Should dogs be banned from cities?

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So, some students moved in a couple of months ago, and they've got a dog. Several times during the day, they bring it outside, put it on a leash, and let it roam around on the front lawn to do its business (and to check out yesterday's business). Often, they don't stay out with the dog, and it barks this sorrowful, pained bark that is more than annoying.

Last week, hanging out with a friend, he said that the family across the street from him has a dog which barks every time they leave their house (from inside the house). Loud and constant. He's talked to them and they said that it can't be that loud for the rest of the neighbours, but it is because it's noticed.

He hypothetically suggests that dogs be banned from urban populations.

I think that noise bylaws might be vague with regards to dogs during the day. Do most dog owners think that neighbours should have to put up with their pets barking throughout the day? Do dog owners notice the barking? Would you dogs owners on ILE be offended if your neighbours approached you about complaints about barking that you feel is "normal"?

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

we did this:

This Tragic Fucking Dog, My Piece Of Shit Neighbors

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

OK, but what about more "normal" dog barking. I'm not talking about abuse, unless you call leaving a dog at home when you go to work as abuse.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'll tell you when barking is not normal. When it's a cat doing it.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I'm a cranky old lady, and I hate noise nuisances more than just about anyone around here. But I have NEVER been kept up all night by a barking dog.

I'd never keep a dog in a city, but that's me. It's not something you can ban. Though do dog licenses have to be backed up with any kind of description of how large a dog and/or space you plan on keeping?

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

No dog licenses in the UK anymore.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Express front page headline tomorrow: sub-heading - "and children licenses while we're at it."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT BLOODY FULE GOT RID OF DOG LICENSES?!??!

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Do most dog owners think that neighbours should have to put up with their pets barking throughout the day?

I think expecting complete silence from pets is unrealistic but being respectful of neighbors is important. We don't leave our dogs out while we are at work.

Do dog owners notice the barking? Sometimes, if it seems abnormal for the dogs.

Would you dogs owners on ILE be offended if your neighbours approached you about complaints about barking that you feel is "normal"? No, but I might bring up their chickens that are allowed to wander everywhere.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.k9magazine.com/viewarticle.php?sid=15&aid=1228

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

I've been kept awake at night by barking dogs and it's rotten. You can contact council's 'anti-social/noise pollution' department and report the owner if you feel they're not doing enough to prevent it happening. We didn't do this in the end as the dogs calmed down a bit as they grew up and then the owners moved out anyway. Our new neighbours below also have a dog but it's a lot quieter and doesn't stray outside at night thank fuck.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, but meant to comment on that article, as well. It says that dog licensing shouldn't be brought back because it targets responsible dog owners who are responsible enough to get a license.

Seems to me simpler than banning - which would penalise responsible dog owners much more than licensing.

Especially when linked to that Austrian "dog ownership training" idea.

No dog license, doggie taken away from you. Money raised by licensing to help keep and rehouse confiscated dogs with responsible owners.

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Based on the original post, we should ban irresponsible dog owners from cities, not the mutts themselves (not cleaning up yesterday's doggy business = DUD DUD DUD).

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

I still harbor ill-feelings for our neighbor who stood and watched his pitbull take a dump on our daffodils and then leave it. While we were sitting in the driveway watching! rude.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

That's a much better idea, Sunshine! I'm in full favour of that.

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

We don't leave our dogs out while we are at work.

The dog across the street from my friend is barking from INSIDE the house while the neighbours are at work. And its loud and heard inside my friend's house.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

We periodically check with the neighbours to make sure our dog (named after a poll on ILX) isn't causing any bother when we're out. I once set up a webcam in the living room so I could monitor what she did when we were at work (staggered shift patterns mean she spends about five hours a day on his todd) and she just curled up on the sofa and went to sleep.

Barely moved all day, apart from a brief excursion out of shot about the time that the postman normally comes.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

The dog across the street from my friend is barking from INSIDE the house while the neighbours are at work. And its loud and heard inside my friend's house.

obv. this is something we can't know unless a neighbor complained. Normally the dogs only bark when other dogs walk by or the postman comes, so I doubt they do otherwise during the day..

Also all of our neighbors are gone working during the day as well and they all also have dogs so it's not really an issue.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

obv. this is something we can't know unless a neighbor complained

Again, he's talked to them and they said that it can't be that loud for the rest of the neighbours because its "just normal barking".

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

My uncle would suggest rat poision inside sausages but I really don't advise that.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's hard to keep dogs from barking while no one's home, but no dog should bark ALL DAY (bad for dog and makes neighbors buy pellet guns). It can be helpful to crate them during the day, if that's possible, because at least that way they can't scratch at the front door, see out the windows to bark at joggers, etc. But in a neighborhood or a building with lots of noises from outdoors, voices, other dogs barking, etc, there's a lot of stimuli that we expect dogs NOT to respond to. Kind of silly.

One possible reason for dogs to get agitated in yr absence is that they're not totally secure with your authority in the house when you're NOT THERE. Ie, if the dog doesn't feel like you're still in charge even in your absence, he could easily think that HE has to be in charge, to protect his/your territory. It's a receipe for fear & stress in dogs. Don't know how to solve, precisely, besides working on a more secure attachment in general.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

crating is a good measure.

Also:
http://online.tvguide.com/images/pgimg/dog-whisperer.jpg

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

im yet to see crating work and, personally, consider it pretty cruel to put an animal in a small space for long periods of time although i do know its accepted practice here in the US (nowhere else that i know of though)and most animals seem to become used to it. it still kind of grosses me out.

laurel absolutely OTM on the whole pack leader theory. the kids got to know who is in charge. if the pup thinks noone is in charge it results in barking all day long type chaos.

He hypothetically suggests that dogs be banned from urban populations.

thats downright retarded.

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

many dogs love the crate. They view it as their own space/apartment.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't have any problems with crating. Mind you, any dog that's alone all day better get his ass run off when you get home, whether he's allowed off-leash or you have to go to dog run or whatevs.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

My mum's corgi loves "box" - she goes and has a little liedown in there whenever she gets in a huff.

Hrrrmmmm. It would be kind of great if I could get a similar "box" for my mum sometimes. ;-)

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Our dogs are walked in the morning before we go to work and in the evening when we come home. On the weekends we take long trips to the dog parks/lakes so they have plenty of time to run around leash free.
They are very energetic things but I doubt they do much during the day besides empty their kongs and sleep.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

"my uncle would suggest rat poision inside sausages"

To feed to the students, hopefully.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it freaks me out because we have a great dane. we do have a crate for her. its the biggest crate we could buy and she still looks too squished when she stands up. its only real use is our leaving the house ritual where she lays down in it and we give her a treat and tell her we'll be back. it never gets locked and she never gets in it just to hang out.

also, if you ever get sick of walking dogs make your next dog a great dane. laziest dogs on the planet. two blocks and theyre ready to go home. they also sleep about 18 hours a day. theyre like gigantic cats. the only problem you'll have is fighting 120lbs for couch space.

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

True about Great Danes! And that's what I meant about crating "if possible" -- because it's not that farfetched that people in NYC apartments might not have SPACE for a crate big enough for a big dog. (Friends of mine in Queens got rid of the crate originally cos it was in the way but are now replacing it.)

Young dogs especially are a lot of work! Normally they'd have a mother or pack leader to keep them in line and if you're not prepared to be home with them ALL THE TIME, you'd better find a way to keep them out of things until you get back to restore order. Crating vs. tying them to the bathroom doorknob with an 8' lead.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Other problems with Great Danes:

- stealing your bologna, peanut butter, and chocolate sundae sandwiches right as you've squashed them down to mouth size for consumption

- poor voice control affecting the plausibility of your "Chinese restaurant" routine for distracting ghosts

- jumping into your arms when something scary happens, so your cowardly escape is slightly slowed down by their weight

- having smug, annoying little puppy cousins who won't stop visiting

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

great danes sound like awesome dogs. I wish we could have one.

I'm not one to tell people what to do but I'm thinking if your space is so small and your dog so big that a crate is impossible. . .you shouldn't be owning that dog. I've always felt sorry for big dogs who live in tiny apartments.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

i was uncomfortable with the idea of crating, but our family dog (a 60lb standard poodle) was crate-trained from puppyhood and she really does treat it like her own space. if someone is doing laundry or other chores in the utility room, she'll hang out in the crate until you're finished. of course, it helps that crate=food as she has a special biscuit that she gets when she's put in.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT ABOUT GUIDE DOGS, JERK? WHAT ARE BLIND PPL GONNA DO?

Eazy-Esteban Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

(In any case, my dog only barks when I've got a tennis ball.)

Eazy-Esteban Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

My dog was crated for the first 3 months I had him. No matter what I did to make it nice in there (toys, food, playstation) he hated it. Eventually, he tore the crate apart. One day I came home to find the crate with a bunch of wires bent back, he had dragged the crate into the middle of the room (while still inside the crate) and had managed to somehow pull a shop vac hose into the crate with him. His nose was gouged up too from tearing up the wires.

Now when I leave the house he just stays in the bedroom where his bed is now. He likes to look out the window during the day and just hangs out. He is also spoiled and still gets taken out 5 times a day.

eatadick.com (Carey), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

This is also the type of dog bed he has and he loves it
http://www.heartofmyheartpets.com/photo-gallery/One-of-the-many-clients-enj.jpg

eatadick.com (Carey), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

That's a funny looking dog!

Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be down with banning irresponsible owners. Currently I've got trouble with yapping Yorkies who rush the fence. Not such a big deal, but occasionally there's rottweiler with them. 4 feet of chicken wire is not going to keep a rottweiler from eating me when my only offense is parking my car in my own driveway. Not to mention that when it's just the yorkies, doing anything in the driveway is almost impossible due to constant barking. The owners are home at the time, of course.

patita (patita), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

We are obviously model neighbours. When we got our dogs we told our neighbours that we had got them, and if the noise ever annoyed them, would they please tell us and we would do something about it. However, all of our neighbours are away during the day, and those that are at home assure me that our dogs really don't bark, except when people come up to the house, which is good.

The people out the back of us, though, have a dog that sits in misery in the back garden, day and night, and barks its head off at 3am. I hate them, and I hate their dog. But what can you do? Some people are inconsiderate assholes.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 14 September 2006 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

We don't leave our dogs out while we are at work.

I don't really understand why people, who work during the day, have a dog. I'd feel extremely sad if Lucy would be all alone during the day (and I would also wonder what the hell she was doing). Maybe I'm being a bit naive when it comes to dogs being social animals who need company...

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

Mine got in a strop with a thunderstorm last night and kept barking at the sky in an attempt to make the scary noises go away.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well Nath, our dogs were on death row so I bet they think being by themselves in air-conditioned home with kong filled treats for a few hours a day tops that. They keep each other company and get PLENTY of company and exercise when we are home. They pretty much occupy all of our social lives.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, it seems that having to adapt to people schedules and people lives is no more or less than the price dogs pay for their domestication...and I'll bet a lot of them would say it's a pretty good deal, if they could.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

er, that should have read "treat-filled kongs". too early, no caffiene.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

There was me thinking you were feeding them ground-up gorilla.

Or, worse still, ground-up indestructable rubber toys.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

hidden INSIDE treats

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

monkey flavored nawsomes aren't that bad an idea, actually.

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, well, I didn't look at it from that perspective. I didn't mean that people who work full-time shouldn't be allowed dogs. I (and Lucy) have the luxury to have a shop so she can stay with us all the time. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Or, worse still, ground-up indestructable rubber toys.

Oh I bet our dogs could make work of this.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)


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