Doublespeak and The War On Terror

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http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp98.pdf

I give this thread maybe a dozen posts or less before Squirrel Police and/or Nude Spock come along and do their very best to completely ruin any chance at a genuine conversation with their insipid babble, but there are a few things in this report that I wasn't aware of - the Try One recruitment drive by the National Guard, for example. Completely livid as usual.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

I do like the conclusion:

Given that widespread condemnation,
one might reasonably ask why doublespeak
seems to be flourishing. The short answer is
that government officials have an incentive
to lie and misrepresent their actions so that
they can expand, or at least maintain, their
power. When the citizenry is fed false information,
it is costly for skeptics to undertake
an investigation of the various issues in order
to learn the truth. Politicians and bureaucrats
exploit this disadvantage to the fullest
in order to shape political outcomes to their
liking.

The American people must recognize
these odious tactics for what they are and
remain vigilant about our Constitution and
individual liberty. Too many people seem to
think that the Constitution will automatically
check the government from overstepping
its authority and running amok. That simply
is not true. The Constitution is incapable of
enforcing itself. The ultimate limit on the
power of government has always been the
patience of the people. As Judge Learned
Hand warned many years ago, “Liberty lies in
the hearts of men and women; [if] it dies
there, no constitution, no law, no court can
save it.”

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Just for that, I am not going to ruin this thread with my insipid babble. Jeez, when someone pops you in their opening remarks, you know it's love.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

The article kind of implies that Government Doublespeak is a new phenomenon, or that the Dubya administration has taken it to new levels. I'm not sure about that. I think a comparison with the ways in which the US's involvement in Vietnam was sold to the American public would be instructive.

No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

But the "kiss the Constitution goodbye" stuff is depressing enough.

No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

OK, tricking veterans of the Iraq war into extended tours of duty, that is just nasty.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

what are the arguments against a draft again?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

A coworker and I talked about the paper along similar lines, that Sedition Act type BS is nothing new, but the tools for obfuscation, redirection and simple out-and-out lying seem to be either A) getting better, or B) becoming less necessary as the electorate is continually hammered with so much "news" that it overwhelms what little critical thinking and analytical skills our educational system(s) have supplied them with. My colleague believes people just can't make rational decisions for themselves anymore, period, for similar reasons (school sucks).

xpost what do you mean?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not responding to the cato thing, which I haven't read yet, but to fluffy bear. If we're at a point where we have to trick people into extending their tours, isn't it better that we have a draft? Sorry if it's off-topic.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I think you kind of went into a really weird zone there that I'd prefer not discussing here please

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno about the States but I don't feel like analytical skills have ever been taught seriously in British schools. I've argued for some time that there ought to be room in, say, the science curriculum to teach kids the basics of evaluating evidence. Better still, a course in practical philosophy or logic.

No Suntan, No Credibility (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

volunteer army - comedy
draft - humor

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

draught - humour

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

what are the arguments against a draft again?

First, a draft must be impartially conducted or it will not be fair and equitable. Considering what is at stake (the draftee's life and limbs) fairness is a must. First and foremeost, this means no student deferments and few deferments for any reasons other than medical unfitness.

Second, when you institute an impartial draft, then you are randomly placing young men into extreme jeopardy against their will. This kind of force cannot be justified except for purposes of national survival or something very near to that importance. Since there is no question that the survival of the USA is not in jeopardy, and no evidence that unlimited military force is required for equally important national goals, then there is no justification for a draft.

The reason for debating a draft at this time is to force the government and the public to confront the relative importance of the war in Iraq and therefore make it more accountable for its decisions and its irresponsible rhetoric. The threat of a draft would undoubtedly stimulate a more serious national debate on the merits of war and peace. But an actual draft at this time would be unjust, imo.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

80% of corporate brainwashing agenda is directed at congress, the remaining 20% gets directed at the people, who can't do anything anyway, through monopolized media.

It all started when Corporate Personhood accidentally became a legal reality with more rights than any actual living human being.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Re: draft: some armed forces analyst in "Why We Fight" (extremely recommended movie) (not verbatim) : "the Vietnam war ended when middle class kids started to get drafted." & "volunteers can't complain"

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

volunteer army - comedy
draft - humor

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/posters/378x195/stripes.jpg

señor citizen (eman), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

"the Vietnam war ended when middle class kids started to get drafted."

This comment is just plain historically unfactual. Plenty of middle class kids were drafted, sent to Vietnam and died there in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970 and beyond -- and the war continued. It only ended when Saigon fell.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)


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