Coping with long term (non life threatening) illness

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What do people actually do in this situation? When you feel awful every day?

I've been sick with sinus pain, weakness, and breathing problems, for almost a year and a half now, I can't remember what not being sick feels like really...

It's pretty shit the way it affects you, I haven't felt as I do now, mentally, since I was about 16, I feel withdrawn and something akin to depression, but I never cry because I don't even think I'm capable of feeling one emotion so strongly, I just feel kind of braindead.....

I have lost a certain amount of confidence with friends, and I always wonder if they're thinking somehow karmically I deserve this or something because they never did drugs much (and I know it's not drugs which caused my illness, I had eased off plenty by the time I got sick). I also feel boring, always having to say "no I can't I'm sick", plus bitter too, if I go to the pub I find myself resenting the fact that I am giving people a lift due to not drinking, it's like that's the convenient reason for my being there, at least to some friends.

Probably all rubbish but on the other hand it feels real to me and I certainly amn't enhancing any personal relationships by being sick all the time.

I feel more contained within my body because everything I say and think and do is filtered through a body which isn't working correctly, that probably sounds weird, but if your every movement reminds you you feel shit then that's the way it goes.

And worst of all I feel that nobody can really understand how I feel, people try but all they really want to hear is "I feel better now" so they can go back to being normal with you too. That's what I want but it's not in my control. Even with my girlfriend who has been saintly in helping me and being nice to me, and helps loads, I still feel she can't understand how I feel because if she did she wouldn't be optimistic and happy, she'd be miserable like I am. But it's better she isn't I guess.

WTF do people do to survive mentally in these situations? I've done ok so far I guess, but it's like I've packed away my life and myself in a closet and am just functioning from day to day, surviving. I hate it.

I don't know if anyone here has had a similar experience, one way or another it probably just helps me to post this, it's not easy to speak about this in such depth in real life....

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

i just thought i would say based on what i read here, you still seem to have grown in confidence over the last couple of years, not just in your writing (both professional and on ILX) but lifestyle wise, from what i can tell - to the extent where it seems as if nothing has affected you at all. so you do seem to have coped with it very well and i hope that continues of course.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

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for what it's worth, ronan, from what you've posted here about your illness and related issues you seem to be coping with it brilliantly. obviously, there are going to be times when you feel thoroughly shit about it: and the best thing to do then is talk, either here or to friends - or maybe to a doctor/counsellor/professional.

have you spoken to your GP about this: ie about the associated psychological issues? there are probably useful people you could talk to; your GP should be able to put you in touch. i'm a firm believer that keeping talking about these things and absolutely *not* bottling it up and thinking "ach, i'll just get on with it" is key ... who you speak to is, of course, up to you, but your GP might have ideas of people who will understand more about it than your friends (who, yes, will just want you to be well and happy again; the fact you understand how difficult it might be for them to understand is a testament to the way you're handling this whole thing!)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Ronan

Another vote here for talking this through with your GP. Are you taking a number of medications for your different health problems? If so, it might be time to get your GP to review them.

I have suffered with breathing problems for donkey's years, having been a moderate asthmatic since my childhood. My own experience has been that doctors don't always want to (or have the time to) spend too long re-assessing your treatment regime and often just prefer to keep prescribing the same old stuff. Over the years I have had to do lots of research myself into my asthma and the side effects of the medicines prescribed to me, and then go to see my GP armed with the information and make recommendations to them, rather than it being the other way around.

It could be that it's the combination of meds you are taking which is making you under the weather all the time - esp if you are taking steroid inhalers for your breathing problems - and a change might go some way to sorting that out.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't had a long-term illness but being pregnant I think I'm able to relate slightly to being 'contained' in your body and sort of hyper-aware of it. It causes a sense of dissociation and frustration when your mind wants your body to do something and your body just won't/can't obey - I've never been so physically limited before.

But I would say that NOT listening to your body is even worse. Crap as it is, you probably have to accept your limitations in order to get over them sooner. Body and brain fighting over control of 'you' is a definite recipe for depression.

Medically speaking, are you expecting to feel better after a given amount of time now you've had your operation? Have you been given an idea of what is going on in your body to help you understand why you feel like shit? Obviously I have a finite period of feeling tired and weak and a definite reward at the end of it! which makes it a bit different, but if you can look forward to a time in the future when you WON'T be sick it might help you get through the bad times. And I agree about seeing your GP/consultant. Could they provide anything to alleviate your symptoms even?

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

I am going back to the consultant this Friday, just to see why the operation I had didn't work as such, I felt a little better for a day or two, as in, I could blow my nose a little, but then quickly just went back to normal.

So something is obviously making it swell, at least the operation has taught me that. The problem is I have no allergies so it's a bit murky. Personally I think I have sleep apnea and this is causing inflammation, so I'm going to get that checked too. But there's no timeframe for recovery, that's the worst part, I have to just not think about the when...they can't give me a medical idea of why I feel like shit cos they don't exactly know! I know my sinuses are constantly swollen and sore but I don't know why...

My GP prescribed Xanax a while ago which does make my breathing a little easier, and helps me if I am DJing or something. I don't think I have anxiety probs, or if I do it's just cos of not sleeping right or being sick.

I am sort of burnt out on talking to doctors, having seen my GP, the ENT, an allergist, and a stress biofeedback clinic (not as kooky as it sounds) in the last year. Also despite my GP being a good man and a good doctor he can't really do much else I don't think, I honestly think you're on your own with this kind of condition, he checks all the usual stuff and then tells me if my own ideas are possible or not.

I'm in some kind of weird loop of illness, I know it's something to do with my sinuses but I have no allergies or asthma. As I say I think it may be sleep apnea doing this but that in itself is by no means cut and dried. I sometimes worry that at best I'll just have to settle for feeling "ok", and I'll never be able to say, drink alcohol again or have a late night before a day's work....

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and thanks Steve and Simon, if I seem more confident tho it's probably just cos I feel about 45....like life is over except for the reminiscing.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

only 45? jealousssss

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

worst of all I feel that nobody can really understand how I feel

My initial reflex was to say how selfish this reaction is, but then I suffer from migraines and, I can sort of understand. I do understand how it's a shitty situation to be in because you can't escape it, you just have to grin 'n' bear it. :-( You can only moan so much before you're starting to piss people off or the *novelty* wears off.

Archel, I felt GR34T during my pregnancy (apart from the last couple of weeks when I couldn't walk two steps without having to pause and have a breather). I never had a migraine attack! Oh how great it was. Now my migraine attacks have come back in full effect. :-(

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan - do you have good days and bad days, or do you feel roughly the same level of sickness all the time? I've got no first-hand experience here, but my dad's been struggling with ME for about 8-10 years now and its definitely the former, some days of being able to go about relatively normally, other days of feeling like an 80-year old and pretty much incapacitated.

I'm assuming in your case all the visits to doctors etc have come to nothing thus far, so getting over the psychological hurdle of being constantly sick is the key. I know its had a wearing effect on my dad being ill for so long, but I think he's learnt to get through it by harnessing the good days and making the most of them, although this can have the effect of wearing him down hugely so they're usually followed by a period of sickness (usually about a week). The key is to not over-exert yourself but equally, not to waste the good days. Also, remember, you're supporting Ivan Smagghe and we're not :)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

there are good and bad days yeah, but the good days usually just mean being able to sit and do something sufficiently, rather than say, go out, I've given up drinking anyway cos it just makes sinuses swell more. bad days are when I'm just constantly distracted by sickness.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Does your local hospital have a Sleep Clinic? If you are fairly sure that sleep apnoea is exacerbating your problems (and it will certainly be making you tired and run down and miserable), then maybe you could ask for a referral to the sleep clinic for their assessment?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

That is my plan yes, as soon as I see the consultant on Friday, I just fear it might take months to get an appointment.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Hold on, Xanax is for breathing or anxiety attacks?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've just recently come down with my second hernia (I got my first when I was 10 years old) and although i have the luxury of not having my head replaced by a concrete block as you do Ronan I can't, say, lift things, or walk for more than 20 minutes or so, and it is really starting to get at me. What keeps me going is knowing that at some point it will - probably - just be gone, as a result of surgery, but here in the lovely UK I am going to have to wait approx. 6 months for that to happen. It affects my mood, I get snappy at people. Especially when I first came down with it, I was still discovering the extent of it, how much I could do or take without too much pain; sometimes I would push myself too far and the person I was with wouldn't GET it, just wouldn't GET it, how much of an emergency I felt I was going through - I was like, if you knew, you would be telling me to sit right down and you'd call a taxi to go two miles just to get me a strawberry sundae and make me feel better! Which is ridiculous I know but I still sort of stand by that. I've been allergic to bees all my life, so "emergency" is my model for illness I think, in some way, like "All bets are OFF!!"

I am really sorry to hear you're going through this, Ro. There are differences in quality and quantity to the things we're talking about but something they do share in common they also share with headaches: they put an upper ceiling on however much fun you can be having at any particular moment and it's enough to make you crazy sometimes.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

p.s. it's been too easy, in my experience, to project things onto other people as a result of their varying reactions or ways of handling the information that there's this CONDITION going on. I think you have to be careful of that. Some people just don't like talking about it, want to change the subject after a brief note of sympathy; some people will cajole you along, "COME on, it's not THAT bad" which may work for some people but positively enrages me; I have found myself feeling weak, unmanly, etc. and I think projected that onto others, like "she doesn't even want to discuss it! she's disgusted by my weakness" when actually she thinks that it would just be nicer to talk about something else

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Have you heard about the spoon theory of illness, by the way? The original article deals with lupus but I'm told that it's helpful/applicable to many conditions. Interesting in regard to the 'other people can't understand' thing, anyway.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan, I think I may actually know how you feel. I too have good days and bad, but the good is just relative. I haven't really felt good in over 5 years.

Like you, I'm quite weary with trips to various doctors, all of whom are as frustrated as I am by the lack of a diagnosis. I'm contantly weak, light-headed and lacking in motivation or energy. Before I completely cut out all gluten, I was losing weight despite eating large amounts of food almost around the clock (I would have a full meal before bed and wake-up at 2 am starving). Although the gluten-free diet has definitely helped (I'm no longer losing weight or feeling like I'm being erased), it wasn't the be-all-end-all we were hoping for.

I feel more contained within my body because everything I say and think and do is filtered through a body which isn't working correctly, that probably sounds weird, but if your every movement reminds you you feel shit then that's the way it goes.

I couldn't have said that better Ronan. I've always been physically active and athletic, and that has been a significant factor in my personality. Now the best I can do is a limited amount of body-weight exercises and cardio to avoid losing all muscle mass and/or get overweight. However, afterwards I'm completely spent for at least 2 hours.

Other things I can't do anymore: Way back in university I was told by numerous profs of both the History and English departments that I was a talented writer. Now I suck. Like you, I no longer drink, although I'm not the designated driver with friends because I'm too light-headed and dizzy to drive most of the time. I was a network administrator, but now I have difficulty fixing minor desktop problems on my own computers. The list could go on.

During some of the so-called good moments I often begin to question the whole illness and think I should just suck it up and get on with life. Then I try to do just that, and within an hour or two I've overdone it and it's time to lay down.

The one positive thing that has come out of my inability to do much of anything is that I decided to teach myself to play guitar a little over a year ago. I still suck, but it's one of the few things I'm able to do that doesn't generally lay me out for a few hours after, and at least I feel I've "done something".

I know all of this hasn't been of much help to you Ronan, but misery loves company, so I thought I'd share my story with ya. I sure hope your many tests start to find something that will help.

shorty (shorty), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Archel, the "spoon theory" article is perfect.

shorty (shorty), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wow Ronan and Shorty, my heart goes out to you.

My sister was diagnosed with MS a few years ago and it has been amazing and inspirational to see how she copes with it. She was lucky to have a doctor who diagnosed it, because many people with diseases like MS or sarcoidosis go for years being misdiagnosed and misprescribed.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

I know there are people worse off, I mean Shorty possibly is worse off than me, at least I can drive....

that approach only gets you so far, mostly I think about people who are better off, ie 90 percent of people.....healthwise anyway...

if there is any plus side to this, it's that I've never saved so much money in my life...

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

I've been too ill to work/socialise much for 6 years and have to live with my parents still, and I wish I had some bloody advice. Don't worry too much about what your friends think, they're probably better with it than you think but just worried because they think they have to support you and give advice. Anti depressants and painkillers might be worth a try if all you can do is deal with the immediate symptoms. I'm not sure what advice to give about surviving mentally, you kind of get used to it, but then that just depresses you even more because you can't imagine being well anymore. Sorry I can't be more help than this.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to recommend the spoon theory as well :) I have all too many friends who are suffering *tremendously* with CFS/lupus/unexplained fatiguey illnesses. One is bedridden completely to the point she has to have carers in. One's now housebound and can't work. Another couple struggle on and off with pain and socialising and work.

Ive had glandular fever before and I struggle a lot with tiredness and leg/foot pain that make simple things like shopping and walking a lot really hard, so I can totally understand the frustration, being fed up with one's stupid crappy body holding things back.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why but the "spoons" post makes me want to drive one of those spoons through Christine Miserandino's eye. I find it maudlin, tedious and completely unselfrelective.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

it kinda makes me want to play those spoons

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

I have become famous for saying to people jokingly that they should feel special when I spend time with them

If I ever get like this, just pull the plug. Seriously.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

i've been very ill for three years now. not been able to work, pretty much housebound. had to give up smoking, drinking, anything fun etc etc. like you ronan, i can't remember what it feels like not to feel sick. ugh! one of the worst things mentally was having to cope with losing that sense of invulnerability that you have when you are young - and knowing its something that you can never get back. that plus having every doctor shrug their shoulders and say they can't help me, its incurable. "b-b-b-but you're doctors, thats what you do, cure people!".
make sure all your friends understand that although you probably won't be able to come to anything they'll invite you to, to still be asked is important to you.
its a strange feeling knowing that part of your body is acting against you - like a rebel separatist group whose language you don't understand, so you can't even read their list of demands.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

otm.

I went to the specialist today who did my operation. He said I have chronic rhinitis. He's going to give me another allergy test as he believes a blood one is more conclusive than skin prick, so I'm praying I have an allergy, otherwise it's NON ALLERGIC RHINITIS, aka YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO AIR plus the end of my entire life....

i just feel pretty flat at the moment......not even depressed, but probably cos I don't have any less hope than I did before, or hope is kind of thrown in the cupboard along with everything else....

BAH.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

:-( allergic to air? fuck me. so it wouldn't matter where you lived, it would remain the same?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

well, he said "it could be anything, smoke, pollution, fibres in the air, very difficult to say".

it could improve by living somewhere else, theoretically, hard to know where tho...

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

i don't suppose acupuncture or anything like that would be useful at all?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

these are the things I've to consider....maybe.

still getting checked for sleep apnea, I may have that and getting that fixed might help me feel less tired, or put a new perspective on the nose stuff.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

There are so many things that medicine doesn't understand, and bombards with harsh pharmaceuticals out of habit. Anti-anxiety drugs, in my experience, are powerful depressants, useful only in very circumscribed situations, like air travel, etc. Even then a drink is preferable. I'd lose the xanax.
Ronan, where do you live? Have you ever tried taking a trip to a dry climate, like the American southwest, just to see what happens?

(I couldn't get through the spoon thing, either, Tracer. Does lupus cause logorrhea?)

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't sleep apnea cause depression as well?

(Welcome back Beth, how are you doing?)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

I amn't too worried about the depression side of things, I sort of feel if I felt better I would be fine mentally, plus I don't take the Xanax daily, or even close to daily. I was given 30 at the beginning of June and have 3 or 4 left, I only take it when I can't breathe...

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan -- I feel for you. I have some sinus issues as well (I don't think as serious, however), but when they're in full swing, leave me feeling lethargic and depressed. I'd spend entire weekends at home, in the dark, because I felt so awful mentally and physically. Drinking makes my sinuses flare up too which leads to miserable headaches and nausea. Oh the headaches! My doctor told me my sinuses create a vacuum which then trigger migraines, so it's pretty much lights out for me, for at least a day. I've had surgery for a deviated septum, which has made things better (less sinus infections) and worse (hello allergies and more migraines). But now that I'm on a constant regimen of Flonase and Allegra, I do feel a bit better, as allergies do seem to be a big culprit. But it rained here yesterday, and I had a throbbing pain on the left side of my face that just wouldn't go away, and I felt completely exhausted. So, who knows? Sinuses suck. Sorry I can't be of more help, advice-wise, but I have some inkling as to what you're going through with sinuses and allergies. It's not fun.

molly d (mollyd), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan, I'm in the early stages of figuring out what's wrong with my heart/nervous system (causing amnesia, fainting and weakness).... so ....


...

I feel you, b.

roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

that is shit....wtf is up with young people getting chronic illnesses.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I want to make tea for all of you! (Hi Nathalie! I was busy for a while there)

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

the spoon thing always struck me as a weird way to put it--i always explained things as having a very limited amount of energy and having to budget it carefully. or, i need strategic rationing of energy for everyday activities that others take for granted. stuff like that.

i have cfs/me and can relate far too well to stuff on this thread.

Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

I know how you feel, Ronan. I have had a chronic illness for the last two years or so, and it can feel very isolating. I just don't have the energy to go out with friends or do the things I used to enjoy doing very often. So I don't really have any great advice for coping with things, but I just wanted to let you know you are not alone in feeling the way you do.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

bump for discussion

thank you based jättegod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

I realized I will not be able to work for a long time, I am sick every day. So going to an office in the near future is not an option.

Disability isn't paying the bills anymore and my family is going to take my house away, so now I have to go on food stamps so I can pay the property taxes.

To think I used to have an elite college person's job, now I'm too sick to do a job. That's okay, there is lots of talent in the big city to make up for it and I'm sure someone can do a better job.

I'm old-fashioned, believe in merit and hard work and if I'm not good enough, well then well done, champ - best of luck in your career.

I'd rather fix up old ugly houses anyway.

Pay Now or Your "Sam's Club" Membership will Be Revoked (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 16 March 2012 11:09 (thirteen years ago)

my family is going to take my house away

why would they do that?

Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Friday, 16 March 2012 11:34 (thirteen years ago)

Yes, I don't understand.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 16 March 2012 12:20 (thirteen years ago)


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