J.G.Ballard - Classic or dud etc

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Absolute fuxing classic say I. Probably my very favourite writer. I love the obsessiveness, the clean spare prose, like an instruction manual for a piece of medickal eqpt (sorry, obvious I know, but still true IMO) The completely mentalist ideas (High Rise - people living in Xcecutive tower block turn to savagery & primitivism whilst retaing outward semblace of normality - Concrete Island - man gets stranded on a traffic island(!) Crash - well, you know, but the fact that he calls the protagonist "Ballard"!!!! "The Terminal Beach - "Impacted novels - eh? each chapter is a novel, each paragraph is a chapter WTF? nevertheless, some of the most vivid imaginative writing ever IMO) It's a fuxing heady brew allright. What about the opening para of high rise, where the protagonist is roasting his neighbour's alsatian dog over a fire made from telephone directories! And, he's still good too - "super Cannes" & "Cocaine Nights" I enjoyed muchly. He does tend to do the same thing over & over again to some Xtent, but Ballard's riff is one I cd listen to for ever or some such cobblers.

BTW I am re-reading Potocki's "The Manuscript Found In Saragossa". An awesome book IMO.

Norman Phay, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

crash is completely fucking classic. read super cannes the other day, and it increased my suspicion that he only has one novel in him in a sense; paranoid stuff about technology and sophisticated society reverting to primitive ways etc. i mean, i've only read maybe 4 of his books, and i don't feel that inclined to seek the others out.

toby, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Brilliant. I want Cronenberg to do a film of "High Rise"... in a way "Shivers" kind of is.

Sean, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ever read 'Unlimited Dream Company'? Pure uncut MENTALISM!

dave q, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am hacking into someone's leg as we speak.

goeff, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i liked the one abt the flood 'drowned world' ? but disliked 'the wind from nowhere'. i too see him having an urban paranoia meta- thingy but see it as him having too many ideas for one novel rather than being a one trick pony - mebbee - i didnt like the filum 'empr ov tha sun'

, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's sort of interesting that Kingsley ('Modernism is rubbish') Amis was a big Ballard fan - there's something quintessentially English abt JG's rather flat, plain prose style that makes all the mentalism more, not less, effective. It probably ties in w/ Ballard's love of surrealism - mundane bourgeois reality pulled apart and transformed by dream logic, the bizarre and inexplicable. Ballard is brilliant on landscapes in general - landscapes of the mind, landscapes of the modern departure lounge, the shopping mall, the suburbs and motorways, the world as film studio. No surprise that Ballard is a big Baudrillard fan, either - philosophy as science fiction (or vice versa)and the death of the real etc. etc. (JG also has a lot in common w/ PKD, of course).

I love the Re:Search interview bk w/ Ballard, where he throws out a new, outrageous idea or a sly observation in virtually every sentence - "What I hope the computer and TV revolution will bring about is a scientific information channel where you can just press a button and..." (J.G. anticipates the internet in 1982!)

Andrew L, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Woah! And it had only been in existence for about 15 years!! (sorry)

N., Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

was directed to a review of Super Cannes recently which had one funny line in it. something like "This is like Chandler on acid, or Aylett on Pimms". yes it is a tired construction, but the "Aylett on Pimms" saves it.

Has there been a Steve Aylett thread?

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You've read a few and you've read them all. I think his novels are more explorations of the darker recesses of his psyche than indictments of society.

Then again, he wrote Empire of the Sun which will forever remain a literary classic. Anyone who endured the horrors described here during their most formative years would undoubtedly emerge from their chrysalis a trifle unhinged.

He's an intriguing author, but yes, his work does fall into a pattern after a while - Running Wild, High Rise, Cocaine Nights etc. I think he writes that way because during his adolescence he personally experienced the full effect of a society breaking down and he's still coming to terms with the emotional fallout.

Trevor, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has anyone actually read the Atrocity Exhibition? Is it worth checking out?

Justyn Dillingham, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Atrocity exhibition is probably best for diehard fans.

I love ballard to death- his prose style is so reserved as to be monotonous at times, but it's the perfect counterpoint to all the weirdness and darkness. He does tend to write the same novel over and over again, much like Dick did, but he is totally classic.

Search - all his short stories. Pithy, punchy, little mindfucks. My favourite - COncentration City. Destroy - you leave him alone you nasty people!

misterjones, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

atrocity exhibiton remians, as far as i'm aware, banned in Oz.

goeff, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
1) why is ballard not in the sci-fi section in bookshops while moorcock is?

i'm not sure about ballard, i can't get too excited about his stuff, but there's obviously something there. i've just been reading iain sinclair's book on 'crash', which is pretty good, v interesting about ballard and moorcock and that crowd during the 60s. IS also captures ballard as 'the poet of thatcherism' more or less. the point about jgb is that he fkn LOVES late modernity, right? these airfields and motorways are not desolate for him; they make the realisation of our fucked-up dreams possible, yeah? dunno, but it seems to me that his more conservative followers have missed the point a bit, turned jgb into some kind of nostalgic.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Moorcock on Ballard.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ballardian.com/images/mm_jgb_brighton.jpg

Scott Thompson IS J.G. Ballard

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

thanks, ned.

admrl, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Yes. Thanks!

"why is ballard not in the sci-fi section in bookshops while moorcock is?"

Ballard's sci-fi books are in most good sci-fi sections!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yer welcome. Friend forwarded that link along and I knew I had to share!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

great interview - excited at the prospect of another Jerry Cornelius novel!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Ballardian is usually pretty decent reading

mh, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

I started Crash but couldn't even read half of it. :-( The rest I love immensely. Crash was just... too much, I think.

stevienixed, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

His 60s/70s stories are his best work, I think.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

Crash may be the one novel of his I actually couldn't STOP reading, the non-stop imagery/car-crash language was weirdly absorbing in a rather disturbing way... Hello America I also quite liked. And the Atrocity Exhibition is completely fantastic, altho calling that a "novel" is kind of a stretch... I like Ballard plenty and have enjoyed bits of his work over the years, but I gotta say he returns continually to plots and themes I get pretty easily bored with. He has so many novels where there's a disaffected protagonist drawn into some creepy cult-like group that's headed by a messianic but crazed leader who of course ends up killing himself/everybody all set against some kind of post-apocalyptic backdrop. Even Crash, which I liked the most, more or less fits this description. It gets kinda repetitive.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

That's like saying Dick returns to the same themes over and over though (which he did, but they were great themes!)

The novels are pretty uniformly strong up until the mid-70s (High Rise and Concrete Island are just amazing, but the eco-disaster ones are just about as good IMO.) The few things I've read from the 80s-90s I've not liked so much.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

haha yeah PKD is totally guilty of it as well, maybe I just find his pet obsessions and plot-tricks (ie, the old "what is REALLY real?" switcheroo) more engaging.

Ballard seems to find the psychology/phenomenon of cults much more interesing than I do... I haven't read High Rise, Concrete Island I remember reading when I was probably too young to grasp much of it and doesn't fit the mold I've described. I think the only other novels I've read were the Drowned World, and the aforementioned Hello America and Crash, which all have that cult-leader-in-a-strange-post-apocalyptic-world story arc going on.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

(i wrote a whole paragraph response then realised I was writing about Hubert Selby. Time for bed.)

wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Shakey those are not his best novels (well except for The Drowned World.) Re-read Concrete Island and then find High Rise (which has that theme, I guess, but it's really really really really ridiculously good) and The Crystal World.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, what an excellent interview.

"High Rise" is so good, Shakey, you've got to read that one, man. It's one of his best.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

What's the short story about the men who are test subjects for a procedure to eliminate the need for sleep? That's great.

jim, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, Manhole 69.

jim, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

I really enjoyed that interview but was a bit surprised by the way Moorcock dismissed everything Ballard's done since Empire of the Sun. I thought Super-Cannes was v. good.

m coleman, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

I loved the short stories as a teen. Went back to them 10 years ago and thought his style was a bit lacking. Probly ought to read some again, but I've heard him interviewed and he's frankly a bit of a dick which is off-putting.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

The only short stories book available in the US is this best-of that's kind of lacking. Meanwhile, there are these two giant volumes you can get in the UK that I bought online that are pretty great.

mh, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

Just listened to a great interview with Ballard, which can be downloaded here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/nightwaves/pip/la0fu/

Apparently he has advanced prostate cancer which has spread to his bones, basically game over.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:52 (seventeen years ago)

Shame. I remember hearing an interview he did with Simon Mayo on Radio 5 when he came across as the most pompous peppery old buffer imaginable.

Tom D., Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:54 (seventeen years ago)

Well, he's very plummy! But he's fascinating in this interview - mainly about violence and death, including his own.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:57 (seventeen years ago)

I imagine being in a Radio 5 studio with Simon Mayo was not his natural habitat

Tom D., Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:59 (seventeen years ago)

That was the interview I was referring to upthread. Of course, being an idiot doesn't preclude you from being a good writer.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 7 February 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

The Complete Short Stories is gold.

chap, Thursday, 7 February 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

just finished "crash" (reading for the first time) and got damn

max, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 06:10 (seventeen years ago)

Thought this was gonna be RIP. Glad it's not.

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 08:52 (seventeen years ago)


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