[ADMIN] Future hosting of ILXor.com

wheres that ile epitaphs thread

Thanks for the effort so far guys - without it I would be getting too much done at work.

srsly, though, thanks!

get the fuck in, say i. top work, sinister high-level ILX cabal dudes :)

Andrew, Alang, Zack, DG, Ned, whoever (my ILX history knowledge is rubbish), consider yourself recipients of lots of "we're not worthy" signs.

many thanx to doers n' makers!

Do we expect to see anything different GUI-wise? Or will it look business as usual on the surface, only work better?

There is a different GUI on offer, but from what I understand you'll be able to switch to an ye olde stylesheet. The new interface looks pretty nice, though.

ilx.wh3rd.net, ilx.p3r.net, and ilxor.com will all point to the new server.

i have to say - the text thing is the one aspect that makes it possible for me to hang out here due to hardcore boss alert. so fingers crossed that there is such a switch in the new version.

having said that - the community that maintains this corner of the wired world does a fantastic job.

ta muchly.

This be nu-nu-ilx, did you not here tell of the exodus from greenspun in ought-three.

http://www.enviroissues.com/images/kcts.jpg

we need an ilxor l to r for that, methinks.

really looking forward to my ilx tote bag.

― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

read that as toe tag

"donated to ILX, couldn't pay gas, froze to death"

whoa, so i go to the gym, drive home, make dinner and miss this?

great job everyone, sorry i missed it. if we need money again i am down.

Where the hell even was the link to make a doan? I cant find anything. Oh well.

it was in this thread--in typical ilx fashion it was hidden amongst a bunch of posts w/ppl arguing about stuff

are people actually mad that they didn't get the chance to donate?

not "mad" per se but i would like to pull my weight next year or whatever

I'm not mad but I feel sort of guilty about not doing so in time!

If the widget were to go back up for a few days or a week (giving everybody a shot at donating no matter what time zone they're in) and we got several years' worth of hosting money, I'd totally shut up about wanting ads on the site.

^^^cosign

^see discussion above about tax implications.

Does the IRS or UK equivalent snoop into Paypal accounts?

i guess tbf donation fatigue shouldn't be a problem since so many people missed this one.

if it will help, i'll auction off the right to my donation. you can send me the money, and i'll publicly give you credit for supporting ilx. (some handling fees may apply.)

xxp not in my experience. onus is on paypal account holder to declare transactions. paypal is not switzerland though -- they will surrender info if asked.

another problem that just occured to me: this really would need to be set up as a limited company or equivalent to avoid legal liability. once you have an address you give people someone/thing to sue, and you really don't want to be personally liable for that, hence limited liability company.

again, in the strict legal sense all legal/tax concerns apply equally to an annual pledge drive.

also another thing occurred to me: running ads on a site that has been known to violate copyright (or making a profit/having money in the bank) is not a good idea.

- copyright violations are pretty strictly forbidden and have been for a couple of years now
- this donation thing stopped at the amount required for exactly one year of hosting. No profit for anyone.
- ads, well, only being considered at the moment, let's see what happens/if it could replace this kind of annual donation thing.

I feel like a happy freeloader now since I was in meetings all afternoon and the total went over fast. Thanks guys!

forbidden != doesn't happen. plenty of music sharing still goes on here, and there's a lot of image borrowing too (just because you can hotlink doesn't mean you're necessarily not violating copyright).

i _think_ the site owner is not liable in most jurisdictions (this keeps changing), but i certainly wouldn't want my name on any ownership documents relating to this site, given what goes on here right now, and what could potentially happen on a public website like this in the future.

not making a profit doesn't mean you don't have money in the bank.

No, it's still technically $1600 in profit for stet, regardless of whether he chooses to spend it on ILX or canned hams.

xxpost

$1600 in revenue, I guess, not necessarily profit. It's still income.

But not liable for income tax, unless I'm mistaken as it's already been income taxed. Perhaps IHT if it were UK rules, but not with the amount in question.

If everyone had just paid the hosts directly, would that not be effectively the same thing?

The cash raised today is effectively gifts (<3 ty), so no tax required. Different story for ad income. xp

Damn straight about not wanting to have yr name on ownership for this -- there have been threats of lawyers before and doubtless will be again. The current setup is nicely complex and multi-jurisdictional to boot.

You're making it sound like Crimes happen on here all the time, but I honestly wouldn't know where to find "plenty of music sharing" on here anywhere.
- links to DJ mixes on other sites, ok, but that's quite grey already
- linking to images / copy/paste text without proper attribution, ok, but acting on that would mean the end of the entire internet

So there is no legally simple way a limited/non-profit community site like this can exist?

The current setup is nicely complex and multi-jurisdictional to boot.

ilx hq

http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/the-infamous-micronation-of-sealand-close-up.jpg

ILX Wireless HQ!

http://www.eylard.nl/OffShoreRadio/Caroline/Ross_September83.jpg

there have been threats of lawyers before and doubtless will be again.

i dunno, we sb'd dom

Look, all bullshit aside, what we've proven is that the next time we run into an issue with hosting, we can easily pull together the money to keep the site afloat, presuming there are enough people on here who give a shit. As it stands now, there's no point in trying to pull some grandiose "we got a barn, let's have a play!" fundraiser via paypal together and ads are simply superfluous. I was glad to donate and next year I'll be glad to see someone else donate. We have a sustainable model.

If there's anything to be learned here, it's that if anyone on this board ever has a kid with a life threatening illness that needs an operation (or if we all just need pizza), the community here is capable of providing a cash net under extreme circumstances. But we probably don't need to complicate stuff just because we CAN make money.

Also: unban cankles.

i need a pizza.

NO LETS HAVE ADS!!!!

um I forgot to tell you guys about my kid w/ cancer

cankles informed me that he personally donated $1200 to the cause under multiple paypal addresses and asked i keep it confidential but i'm outing him because i think that's just about enough to bring him back.

So, are we doing this again today or what?

I think we should wait until we're all sure of the implications of calling anyone else a tight cunt.

Isn't that a good thing?

f) all about context innit

lol

I totally can't read this whole thread but I thought I might suggest these guys: http://colopronto.com/ USD $30/month for 1U/100mbps/500gb.

this might just be a processing delay or something, but the $20 i (thought i) chipped in hasn't hit my checking account yet. i got a $1 paypal handling fee, but that's it.

did i do it wrong?

except the server is already in australia, isn't it?

That was a long time ago, when Andrew was the main man - since then it's been in Dallas and now Toronto, Canada.

http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/visual-tracert/ <- type ilxor.com into the "Remote Address" field and click the Proxy Trace button to see the route from your nearest proxy to the ILX server (patience, it can take a short while).

(My traceroute went from Belgium (where I am, obv.) -> Brea -> Culver City -> LA -> Dallas -> Toronto.)

Heh, not exactly a straightforward route:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/olem/trace1.jpg
...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/olem/trace2.jpg

this might just be a processing delay or something, but the $20 i (thought i) chipped in hasn't hit my checking account yet. i got a $1 paypal handling fee, but that's it.

Yeh, it's showing up as "pending" in the list. Processing delay, maybe.

ok well if it doesn't go through or something, lemme know and i'll try it again.

if that doesn't go through i'll pay $5 of it.

(That visual traceroute always goes through LA, because that's where yougetsignal.com is, btw)

I'm expecting to be better off next year what with Cameron being PM and all.

― ned trifle (Notinmyname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:03 (11 months ago) Bookmark

Quick before the age of austerity kicks in.