Ban it

As for dressing as children, I dunno about that either. There's a million miles between a guy getting his girlfriend to put on her old school uniform before fucking her and someone abusing a child. A million million miles. And if pornographers were forbidden to use that imagery, do you think child abuse/pornography would also cease? I don't. I think people who actually abuse children would be a more suitable target for your ire.

Another bad porn flick thing: how everything's covered in baby oil or the like. The penii in these films therefore look like very angry bratwurst.

They not only have the usual disincentive of all successful monopolies to innovate (people like it how it is, why should we?), they also have John Ashcroft waiting like some grey ghoul for the slightest opportunity to prosecute them for his own twisted Christian-Republican-Authoritarian reasons. It's no wonder that the 'fetish' category (Anal, Asian etc) is the fastest growing in porn, at 30% and rising.

Personally I don't consume any American porn, it's ugly beyond redemption, and the only thing uglier are the fascists trying to ban it.

Personally, I've never liked porn because I've never really bought the line of argument that says the women allowing men to spunk on their faces on camera are well-paid businesswomen. Yes, they may be well- paid, but they are essentially being rewarded for accepting the male's dominant role, and they often spend their earnings on plastic surgery and silicon which is really another way of showing their compliance.

I'd never go so far as to do a Dworkin/Mackinnon and say that porn = rape but I would say that hetero porn = inequality. Fetish genres are not very different in this respect, and people who say 'oh, it's just play' are probably quite privileged or have never experienced inequality due to race, sex or class on a social or financial level.

And along with all the things mentioned above theres the fact that hardcore porn all too often ressembles a fuckin anatomy lesson. Theres nothing sexy about sticking a camera up someones pussy.

I dunno, my imagination can do much more for me than porn. (That probably makes me sound like some kind of serial rapist, but I wasn't expecting this disclosure to be easy.

I'm continually on the fence re: porn (usually because I find myself either totally against it, or totally for it - there's some middle ground somewhere), but the pro-white-male standard (in US porn anyway) is a bit stultifying (to say the least) and if this Cambria List is any indication, things are not going to get any better.

The Spice of Life this week is Salt.

I think what she says at the end of the interview about prohibition having exactly the opposite of the intended effect (ie creating rather than suppressing 'unhealthy' appetites) is spot on, and it's exactly the point I make in my song 'My Kindly Friend John Ashcroft': 'Oh my kindly friend John Ashcroft this cannot be what you mean / To distill the very essence of obscene'.

Women are still, on average, still making only 82 per cent of boy money when doing the same jobs. I think the porn boom we've had since the 70s is male angst about equality, visualised. And corrected by showing the male in a dominant fantasy position. Maybe female angst, too? Who says the women producing porn would be comfortable with things being more equal, since a few profit from that inequality too?

Is there something missing here?

The men in porn films tend to have enormous dicks. The enormousness of these dicks is generally a key point in the narrative - they are why the men are desirable. Statistically speaking very few of the men buying or consuming these films will have enormous dicks.

If modern porn is in part about fetishising gender inequality, or assuaging male inferiority complexes in the face of increased equality, then why is this still the norm? Given that a man watching porn and having a wank will have confirmation of his beta-male status (in the porn hierarchy) right there in his hand! Why do porn consumers indulge in a medium which is consistently hammering home ideas about *their* inferiority as well as women's inferiority?

man has smaller dick => man feels he will never be able to have sex with real women => man continues to buy porn

OR on the other hand it might be that the porn consumer is cannier than that and understands the porn-world as a fictive system in which certain codes and roles are assumed which bear no relation to real life - that consumers innately understand 'porn logic' in the same way as kids understand 'cartoon logic', but would no more apply porn logic to the real world any more than kids would expect to be able to run in thin air for half a minute after sprinting off a building.

It's probably a bit of both.

momus after all omitted a specialist type from his it's-on-the-grow list: asian&anal&gay (FWIW mainstream gay male porn is even MORE unvariant and alienating in scenario and mise-en-scene)

Actually, I think I've said this in some other thread, but I don't like American (gay) porn at all either. The hegemony of body types is really boring. Where is the dirty dronerock boy porn??

if you believe in freedom you have to deal with being offended.

By banning pornography you are stopping any meaningful criticism of the porn and the society that has produced it. A society that allows the dissemination of ideas that we find abhorrent would be more democratic than one that tries to stifle them.

Anthony, do what I do: Avoid those bukkake vids and do not participate in bukkake events. How is this a conflict of freedoms? Unless there are bukkake events going on in plain view in public places. Is Canada really so swinging?

Same thing with adults dressing as children. Avoid the vids, theme parties, and roleplay dungeons where such proclivities are entertained.

I have so far neglected to mention that as Ned and Momus both know, I know more about bukkake, fetish porn, and porn in general than anyone really cares because in my previous career I was an editor at the bible of the American porn industry.

I'm not so much disgusted by porn as just plain bored and fatigued. Ennui is the worst thing about porn. Oh yeah, I also dislike the fake tits and the dominant aesthetics of American porn.

Everything I learned about porn I learned on the job and in academia. And so far, I think the latter is way sleazier.

So, er Momus, how come you know so much about American porn if it turns you off? ; p (I wrote some of my reviews under the pseudonym Nikki Currie when for tetchy political reasons I couldn't give an honest negative review under my more recognized nom de plume.)

It is fascinating stuff. To go from, as Momus points out, the facial expressions as if one is playing guitar from black masks and normal - 'camera in a room sex'.........

Any thoughts?

And out of my own interest: is there any bios on the people that did the porn of those eras? As it included some very hot (haha!) issues of that time i.e. gay porn and interracial porn from the 1940's and 1950's.

My cat just did a really smelly poo - I'm about to bukkake him.

-- toraneko, Thursday, February 7, 2002 8:00 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

I'm glad I know Momus' 2002 porn tastes.

yo

:-(

THE LIST OF ADAM YOUNG PRIMARY PROJECTS

Owl City Ocean Eyes Album
1. Cave In 4:07
2. The Bird and the Worm 3:27
3. Hello Seattle 2:58
4. Umbrella Beach 3:51
5. The Saltwater Room 4:55
6. Dental Care 3:18
7. Meteor Shower 2:20
8. On the Wing 5:03
9. Fireflies 3:48
10. The Tip of the Iceberg 3:33
11. Vanilla Twilight 3:51
12. Tidal Wave 3:13

Owl city Ocean Eyes Deluxe Edition
1. Hot Air Balloon 3:33
2. Butterfly Wings 2:46
3. Rugs from Me to You 1:30
4. Sunburn 3:46
5. Hello Seattle (Remix) 2:58
6. If My Heart Was a House 4:07
7. Strawberry Avalanche 3:16
8. Fireflies (Adam Young Remix) 3:48

OWL CITY MAYBE I AM DREAMING
1. On The Wing 5:03
2. Rainbow Veins 4:44
3. Super Honeymoon 3:29
4. The Saltwater Room 4:55
5. Early Birdie 4:26
6. Air Traffic 2:58
7. The Technicolor Phase 4:27
8. Sky Diver 2:51
9. Dear Vienna 4:15
10. I'll Meet You There 4:16
11. This Is The Future 2:53
12. West Coast Friendship 3:51

OWL CITY ALL THINGS BRIGHT AND BEAUTIFUL:
1. The Real World 3:42
2. Deer In The Headlights 3:01
3. Angels 3:38
4. Dreams Don't Turn To Dust 3:53
5. Honey And The Bee 3:45
6. Kamikaze 3:32
7. January 28, 1986/ Galaxy Live 4:42
8. Galaxies 4:00
9. Hospital Flowers 3:42
10. Alligator Sky 3:17
11. The Yacht Club 4:33
12. Plant Life 4:17
13. Alligator Sky with rap feat shawn chrystopher 3:05
14. How I Became The Sea 4:24
15. Lonely Lullaby 4:19
16. Shy Violet 3:53
17. To The Sky 3:40
18. Enchanted 5:04
19. In Christ Alone 3:28
20. Peppermint Winter 3:57
21. The Christmas Song 3:54

Of June
1. Swimming In Miami 6:21
2. Captains And Cruise Ships 3:28
3. Designer Skyline 3:34
4. Panda Bear 3:08
5. The Airway 3:23
6. Fuzzy Blue Lights 4:41
7. Hello Seattle (2007 version) 2:58
Owl City Episodes Ends....................

SKY SAILING Album
An Airplane Carried Me To Bed
1. Captains of The Sky 2:43
2. Brielle 4:06
3. Steady as She Goes 2:36
4. Explorers 4:10
5. A Little Opera Goes a Long Way 3:48
6. Tennis Elbow 3:45
7. Blue and Red 3:39
8. Alaska 2:36
9. I Live Alone 4:04
10. Take Me Somewhere Nice 2:47
11. Sailboats 4:19
12. Flowers of the field 4:06

PORT BLUE Album ALL EPS
The Airship, The Albatross EP, Artic, Unreleased, Bsides

Setting Sails 5.01
At Anchor 4.45
Deep Iceberg 8:01
The Grand Staircase 4:58
Pond Skater 4:15
Into The Sea 2:23
Arrival At Sydney Harbour 5:07
The Skybridge 6:04
Base Jumping 5:28
City Of Safe Harbours 2:07
Queen Annes Sail Boat 5:54
Silver Blueberry/ Reverse 1:20
An Enchated Eveining 1:50
Up Ship / Reverse 4:55
I Am The Aeronaut 4:49
Seagulls 5:03
Elephant Island 3:08
Over The Atlantic City 4:20
The Cargo Bay 3:20
In The Yatch 2:57
Of The Airship Academy 3:34
In The Dolphin Tank 2:13
Butterflies 1:28
The Snow Ballet 1:12
The Axial Catwalk 4:25
Under The Glass Observation Dome 2:55
Sea Horse 4:51
Over Lionsgate City 4:51
The Gentle Decent 1:46
june bug 3:54
Sunset Cruiser 7:31
Monorail 2:03
Chocolate Turtle 3:01
Aurora Borealis 4:54
Snow Fox On Glacier Coast 2:09
Juneau 7:40
Moonscape 5:00
Into The Gymnasium 1:33
Bay City 3:01
Of Japan 1:02
In The Control Car 1:37
Wintermint 4:49
Ice Hand 1:18
Frigid Airport Lounge 3:20
The Albatross EP 1:02
Glider 6:00
Shell And Wing 2:17

WINDSOR AIRLIFT Albums (6 Episodes)

The Basement EP
1. Intro 1:42
2. See You Soon 3:27
3. Joyride 2:16
4. My Regards 3:18
5. Disaster 3:19
6. My Best Friend 2:28
7. Boat 2:17
8. Jason 4:13
9. First Semester’s Over 0:55

Moonfish Parachutist
1. Moonfish Parachutist 2:33
2. What, Pantamimist? 1:54
3. No One Tells Me Anything 4:30
4. My French Voice Teacher, Luvelle 2:50
5. To Paris! A Lovely Excursion 1:46
6. Grandeur - Interstate Parkway 6:10
7. Ruby Fjord, Runway Beck 2:33
8. Operatic, Glacial Kirovgrad 2:53
9. White Tarn Sonata in Blue 1:57
10. Love 3:33
11. Heroism: Hazel & Dandelion 2:07
12. This is Television 3:40
13. A Trio of Talking Books 2:26
14. Oceanic? Staten Island, Oh Darling! 4:13
15. I Haven’t Any Money 1:55
16. You here! Hull, King of Swans! 1:47

Qiu!
1. Give Me Your Motorcycle 3:26
2. The Number Of Insects Is Tremendous 3:34
3. She And I Swam Down The Staircase 25:02
4. The Trouble With Bugs 4:25
5. Wake Up Boss, You’re Bald 3:23
6. We Shan’t Be Snorkelling, We Shan’t We Shan’t 5:05
7. A Wolf Am I, A Wolf On A Mischief Bent 4:17

Selections For A Fallen Soldier, Vol. 2 com
1. Cities, Stars, And Planes 7:35
2. Waves Spent on Breathing 4:17
3. A Fatal Storyline 9:42
4. Buzz The Spaceship! 8:50
5. This Face Alone Unveils Shadow 8:09

We Rule! com
1. The Babemeister 3:50
2. Landscapes 4:43
3. Ocean City Park 4:01
4. One & This Face Alone Unveils Shadows 5:22
5. The Theme For Moonglow 4:15

The Forest Sings to Distant Shores com
1. Nice Job With The Tents, Sturgis 11.48
2. One 6:51
3. I Hate Texas Taxes 13:01
Windsor Episodes Ends.....................

The Perfect Theory
1. Without You Baby 4:59
2. Prom Night 4:20
3. Do You Want to Date Me 2:58
4. Waldorf + CSU = Love 4:14
5. Would you be my Valentine (LQ) 3:53
6. Waldorf Sweetheart 3:50
7. Fast Food Relationships 3:36

Swimming with Dolphins Albums
Ambient Blue
1. Silhouettes 6:17
2. Pajama Party 3:51
3. Sunset, 1989 3:25
4. Everything’s a Miracle 6:16
5. Up In The Stars 4:56

Water Colors
1. Holiday 3:59
2. Easy 3:37
3. Sleep To Dream 3:28
4. Diplomat 3:28
5. Watercolors 3:16
6. Jacques Cousteau 3:37
7 I Was a Lover 3:34
8. Captured 4:27
9. Hapiness 4:47
10 Good Times 3:53

Addition Songs
1. Fast Cars 4:39
2. Jacques Cousteau 3:54

OTHER SONGS / REMIX / SOLOS
Owl City An Enchantedf Future 4:24
Lights Saviour Remix By Adam Young 3:15
Owl City helicopter moon 1:01
Owl City halcyon 1:54
Owl City happy valentines day 5:02
Owl City My Hope is Found/ In Christ Alone 3:23
Something Corporate I Woke Up in a Car adam young remix 4:11
Armin Van Buuren Feat. Adam Young - Youtopia 4:10
Think Again Radio Mix Kate Havnevik --
Terminals Relient K 3:08
Satisfy Radio Mix Vedera 3:19

Breanne Duren- Daydreams (Adam Young Remix) Lyrics HD

Ban cousin slappy from the grimes thread. He’s disgusting.

o that cousin slappy

He is an unchill and strange member of the community. I advise him to change the username and rebrand.

hey man, grimes is the one who brought up the cumshots in the first place.

Steve.n. (sjkirk) wrote this on thread What have you learnt from ilx? on board I Love Everything on Nov 26, 2004

C on T's

Well look here, the good lord brought me a historian!

"unchill and strange member of the community" is an awesome phrase

xp c'ing on whatever was all the rage here back in the day when i first found this place, seriously ppl were all about the c

well that + boredoms

I mean, if you're gonna c somewhere, let's face it, that's one of your best options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeeNSFIajsI