"Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?" "No, we're bringing people back"

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Army Recruiters Accused of Misleading Students to Get Them to Enlist

Nov. 3, 2006 — An ABC News undercover investigation showed Army recruiters telling students that the war in Iraq was over, in an effort to get them to enlist.

ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

"Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?" one student asks a recruiter.

"No, we're bringing people back," he replies.

"We're not at war. War ended a long time ago," another recruiter says.

Last year, the Army suspended recruiting nationwide to retrain recruiters following hundreds of allegations of improprieties.

One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout.

"You mean I'm not going to get in trouble?" the student asked.

The recruiters told him no, and helped him cheat to sign up.

During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they'd to go Iraq.

But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq.

"I would not disagree with that," Manning said. "We are a nation and Army at war still."

Manning looked at the ABC News video of his recruiters.

"It's hard to believe some of things they are telling prospective applicants," Manning said. "I still believe that this is the exception more than the norm. … I've visited many stations myself, and I know that we have many wonderful Americans serving in uniform as recruiters."

Yet ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn't like the Army, you could just quit.

"It's called a 'Failure to Adapt' discharge," the recruiter said. "It's an entry-level discharge so it won't affect anything on your record. It'll just be like it never happened."

Manning, however, disagrees with the ease the recruiter describes.

"I would believe it's not as easy as he would lead you to believe it is," he said.

Sue Niederer, whose son, Seth, joined the Army in 2002, said she was all too familiar with recruiters' lies.

"They need to do anything they possibly can to get recruits," Niederer said.

Seth was sent to Iraq and was killed by a roadside bomb.

Niederer said she was not surprised by what ABC News had found. She believes it's still a widespread problem. She said that recruiters told Seth he wouldn't be put into combat.

"Ninety percent [are] going to be putting their lives on the line for our country," she said. "Tell them the truth. That's all. Just tell them the truth."

and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hating America AGAIN?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED at the naivete displayed by the products of America's educational system

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

sandblaster : sand : paint :: military recruiter : fraud : proletariat

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

actual truth: nobody finds out until they've been in basic training for about a week that they signed up for a minimum of eight years

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

But it is over: Saddam Hussaein Has Been Sentanced to Death by Hanging!

What else could they still be doing there except bring people back?

StanM (StanM), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

lol READ THE CONTRACT FUCKERS

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/ap/20007807-bae5-4b45-ac82-a3f3bfe5717b.hlarge.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

^ link to story with above image?

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

^ link to story with above image?

where you been? this was attached to that john kerry brouhaha from last week. we yakked about it on the midterm thread.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=stuck+in+irak&btnG=Search

INTERNET

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

malkin complains that newspapers running photos of abramoff & delay but not that picture is evience of 'liberal bias'

and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

where you been?

Getting one life?

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

they sell those on myspace?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

he coded one in css

and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

OK I'm going to be honest here. I'm not defending these Army douchebags being all up and lying in your face and all that, but seriously why are these guys joining the Army right now?? It's not really "trickery" if someone up and joins the Army in the middle of a war and then, whoops, gets sent to the shit instead of the base in San Diego, is it?

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

"these guys" = complaintants that inspired the sting operation, not the fake sting operations dudes, obv

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

another sterling example of the government talking advantage of stupid/ignorant people aka those who need their protection the most.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh fuck that. The government needs to protect ME from stupid people.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well it should probably start by not giving them weapons training, eh?

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

we need guns to protect ourselves from stupid people in government

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, enlistment guidelines have gone down so much that we now have neo-nazis, gangbangers, criminals, high-school dropouts, autistic types, etc signing up.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

The brother of a friend of mine is an Army recruiter. He told my friend that he has people coming in who are scoring 8 or 9 on the entrance examination. She thought he meant out of 10; he actually meant out of 100. I was appalled at the scores but relieved because dude is turning these people away.

So, at least one person is doing his job and protecting ME from idiots.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)


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