Clinics ask how O'Reilly got abortion records

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― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

His alter ego:

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― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, that's his alter ego?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Felafel!

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, serious response is this: I spent an hour on the phone this morning with a friend who did have a 3rd trimester abortion in Witchita at Tiller's clinic. She is terrified and pissed as hell at the whole thing (actually, she's one of the people I'd love to see have a go at O'Reilly on television).

The notion that women have these procedures because they are depressed angered her. Her baby essentially had no brain; hydrocephalus associated with spina bifida was that bad. The other women in Witchita the week she was there had a baby whose heart had one chamber. No chance either baby was going to live, unless it was in Fantasy Science Fiction Land.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

wtf aren't medical records private in kansas?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

wtf are you accusing o'reilly of having morals or respect for people's privacy?

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

no i'm voicing my expectation that the state attorney general would have respect for the law

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

don't insult me

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

and sara, i don't think your friend should have much to fear in the way of successful prosecution, although vilification in the media is a possibility if o'reilly leaks the names on his "naughty" list

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

well, i'm sure that some folks have no trouble in gettin' around some lil' ol' law, since it's for a good cause & all...

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

Really horrifying. O'Reilly is the scum of the earth.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

hmm i might take back my statement about the prosecution. i was figuring that medical records illegally obtained by o'reilly would be inadmissible, but that isn't true. also, if they were legally obtained by the atty general and then illegally leaked to o'reilly, it doesn't really make a difference because the state already had the evidence. i could see a more progressive nation granting these women political asylum, however.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

i suppose one could mount an appeal to the original seizure of the records and, pending its success, have them thrown out.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

executing babies is a great name for a punk band.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sara, I don't want to be seen as attacking your friend, but why is it such a bad thing that people have late abortions because they are depressed? Why would this get your friend angry? The fact is that regardless of whether the foetus is a 'person', the woman whose body the foetus is using as an incubator has more rights. You can see it as an act of self-defence, in that the woman has every right to fend off the attacker who will destroy their life; you can see it as a privileging of the rights of the host over a parasite; you can simply see it as a matter of lack of consent (it doesn't matter if you consent to sex, you still have not consented to inhabitation).

I am pro-life, but I am pro the woman's life rather than a principle based on fallacious logic.

― emil.y (emil.y), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - my friend isn't worried about being prosecuted; she's afraid of things being said to her kids. (i.e. "your mother killed your baby brother.") She doesn't care what people say to her or about her.

That's also (partly) why she's upset about the notion that it was due to depression. Part of the problem is that people don't understand why anyone would have an abortion procedure that late.

Also, as she put it, "for all I know, people could be leaving my private medical records out on their coffee tables." It's partly a privacy thing.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

and anyways, depression is an clinical illness

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely, I don't disagree with that. I don't think she would either.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

Bye Bye Baby is a great abortion record.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Kline got trounced.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

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