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Thank you.

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

Sweet, sweet victory.

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

This is a known known?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

FUCK YEAH

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

Yes.

xpost

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

Where has he gone?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

This really is something. I am amazed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hope there's no Lieber-spoiler around the corner...

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a bit unclear as to how it works with you lot. Do members of Bush's staff have to be in the House or what?

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Rehab? Wants to spend more time with his family?

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hope there's no Lieber-spoiler around the corner...

Stranger has occurred.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Breaking News 12:53 PM ET:
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld Intends to Resign, Republican Officials Told the A.P.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Abu Ghraib

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

C-Span just said some CIA guy is taking his place... whew...

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

Re-sign with Stockport County :(

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

Hurrah!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Ashcroft -> Gonzales

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

Now this was worth watching the Democrats win.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

and i'm proud to be an american
where at least i know i'm free

thanks, my country, for making me feel good again. dubya's next two years are toast.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

Robert Gates is more of a Bush I guy than a Bush II guy.

Then again, I used to think the same about Cheney.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

LATERS RUMMY

― manute lol (sanskrit), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

haha, "THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS" btwn W and Rummy

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://drudgereport.com/siren.gif

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

can't recall anything abt Bob Gates - anybody got a take on him?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

well, seeing as how the army times, navy times, and air force times all called for his resignation, it doesn't seem like he had much of a choice

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

ihttp://michael.ellerman.id.au/misc/Rumsfeld-Saddam.jpg
Boy, bad week for these two fellows, huh?

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Nancy Pelosi seen putting away her 12-inch + harness.

― Je4nne IS fury (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Drop him before he gets grilled up by the new house? Bush pre-empting impeachment?

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Gates is what a Pat Buchanan would sneeringly call a "pragmatist," i.e. he ain't idealogical, cuts deals, and has zero principles.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

did Rove really recommend he not do this before the election?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

he ain't idealogical, cuts deals, and has zero principles.

a better man for the job, then

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

Anyhow, day late/dollar short, etc.

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

Bush finally realized his ship was sinking and he needed to get rid of some ballast, so he threw some overboard. If the future of so many people didn't depend on Bush not fucking up any worse than he already has, I'd be very happy to see his ship sink without a trace, taking Cheney and Rove down with him to see Davy Jones' locker.

But, I would settle for a lot less death, futility, fraud, abuse of power, and sheer incompetance if there is any hope of getting it while Bush occupies the office.

― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

That's for sure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a bit unclear as to how it works with you lot. Do members of Bush's staff have to be in the House or what?

No, and not just his staff but his appointees to cabinet positions, though the latter are subject to approval by the Senate.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

For a second there, I was worried that Bush would name Lieberman the to Rumsfeld's post, thus allowing the Republican governor to replace him with a Republican senator, thus eliminating the chance for a senate majority, but that hasn't happened.

A bit conspiratorial, but can you blame me?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

it's been way too tempting to just put 'hang the fucker alongside Saddam' for the last 25 mins.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

adios, vulcans. adios, rma.

everything i've ever read about rumsfeld suggest he never listens to anyone, about anything, ever. i highly doubt this decision had anything to do with pressure rove, cheney, or even bush, in the end.

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

*from

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

This seems to have a lot to do with the fact that everyone in the Pentagon seems to hate the guy.

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, the bogeyman list is really dwindling. No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...luckily Cheney has not died, I suppose.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

AND WE STILL HAVE TWO YEARS TO BLAME EVERYTHING ON BUSH.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

Hooray!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

has Bolton's re-nom thingee happened yet?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

Even Cheney would be muted without a Senate to preside over.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

OH WAIT...the inevitable plethora of "inquiries" and "investigations" and "hearings" will keep these bogeymen front and center as to ~~distract us from the predictable abuse of appropriations, power, and intelligence~~ remind us of the mandate for a change in the party of corruption.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

"No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...luckily Cheney has not died, I suppose."

You forgot Condi.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Gonzales is still there. :/

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

thomas barnett thinks firing condi would have been a better move

anyway, this is pretty interesting:

http://www.theeagle.com/aandmnews/020105gates.php

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

And Bolton for now.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

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NO Q&A = DUD OF THE DAY.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

That's 'cause Happy Hour commences in 15 minutes.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

rumsfeld wanted to be president, once upon a time. at the least, he wanted to win a war. that's about all he's ever wanted, i think. sucks to be ~~you~~ everyone who is not you right now, donald

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

haha chris mathews: is this the biggest decision bush has ever made on his own?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

New Pentagon drinking game: drain your glass every time a commentator calls the new DefSec "Bill Gates."

So far today: Andrea Mitchell, Jamie McIntire

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

He's now progressed to the point where he can cross the street w/o someone holding his hand.

x-post

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

the new guy is so seriously "in the fold" from the get (like negroponte) that it comes close to confirming what i've long suspected about these creeps, that the cold light of day would cause all kinds of unknown unknowns to come rising zombie-like to scare seven shades of shit out of everybody - getting rid of rumsfeld heads that off for the mo, and appointing somebody who's cool with the whole global oil death-merchant thing will from their perspective hopefully keep a lid on things until bush is outta there

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

hey, ortega is back in power, he can start selling arms to the iranians so that some shenanigans can be had in lefty latin america.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

hey, ortega is back in power, Bob can start selling arms to the iranians so that some shenanigans can be had in lefty latin america.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

maybe we can start funding communist-tinged groups in iraq and beyond to put down the jihadists for some full-on bizarro-80s shit

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

drain your glass every time a commentator calls the new DefSec "Bill Gates."

If only. The Black Budget just CRASHED!

Does Harry Shearer still do that sketch "41 calls 43"?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, thank you Boing Boing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

does anybody think gates will be confirmed, even if the senate is split? i doubt it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

::nods:: I think I wrote earlier that what's happening here is similar to 1987, when most conservative commentators announced the end of the "Reagan Revolution" when old hand/hack Howard Baker cleaned up the Iran-Contra mess, and then later when Frank Carlucci and Colin Powell replaced Poindexter and Weinberger.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

the Senate hasn't been all that tough a crowd for confirmations. (like Negroponte, 95-3)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

How Comedy Central scooped everyone, allegedly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

seems clear to me now why he was so intransigent before - this was a gimme for when he ended up forced to negotiate. so what did we give up in return?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

the Senate hasn't been all that tough a crowd for confirmations. (like Negroponte, 95-3)

lol yeh like uh do you realize there's a new congress, morbs?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

they're all the same, remember?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Melvin Goodman, a former CIA division chief for Soviet affairs, testified that Gates politicized the intelligence on Iran, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. "Gates' role in this activity was to corrupt the process and the ethics of intelligence on all of these issues," Goodman testified.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

There's no way they can confirm him before January 3, is there?

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

they gunna try a recess appointment?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

for sec'y of defense? doubtful

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

he's gonna get confirmed by the Senate. I'm not without wariness, but the guy's getting presented as out of the HW/Scowcroft world, so I'm not without hope.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

A fixer hip-deep in scum already -- sounds about right for these last two years.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

Don Rumsfeld Boogie.

― Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

promising

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

the guy's getting presented as out of the HW/Scowcroft world, so I'm not without hope.

Great. "Detente" and "pragmatism," yick. Which is perhaps all we can hope for at present.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

i know all about the drawbacks of realpolitik, but it sure sounds good right now. sort of like how a glass of water with possibly unsafe levels of cyanide and mercury would sound good after you'd been tied and staked naked in the desert and fed salt-covered ants for 47 days.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Ledeen is preparing his noose right now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

Ledeen is likely preparing one for Hitchens.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

hmm palsy walsy with Zbigniew eh? interesting

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

x-post -- Kinky.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/press.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, the bogeyman list is really dwindling. No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...

Can we burn Grover Norquist out of his tower now?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:00 (eighteen years ago)

hey chris, check out that other rummy thread for some real laughs!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

The National Review shifts with the wind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

Thomas Ricks has a more appropriate post-mortem.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

"McNamara, for four years of Vietnam going down the toilet, was absolutely convinced with a religious zeal that what he was doing was the right thing," Thomas E. White, who was Rumsfeld's first Army secretary, once said. "It wasn't until 30 years later that it dawned on him that he was dead wrong. And I think you have the same thing with Don Rumsfeld."

Quite. Even eerily so.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

yeh like uh do you realize there's a new congress, morbs?

I somehow missed that there's been a 47-seat turnover in the Senate since the Negroponte vote last year.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

you somehow missed that they actually assign a number to designate a new congress!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

Sadly enough my Rumsfeld-related highlight of the day has been Slate rerunning their press-conference poetry thing.

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

Lao Tzu, Donald Rumsfeld, GMTA dudes.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

From NRO on Rums:

His invasion plan for Afghanistan was revolutionary, coupling small American teams on the ground with precision airpower.

Oh, absolutely revolutionary.. like negotiating with the Taliban for them to regain power in Afghanistan this year. yup.

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

The thing I am most shocked about: there is no Rumsfeld-based YTMND yet...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Out on the lecture circuit already:

Asked by another questioner what grade he would give himself for his performance as secretary of defense, Rumsfeld said: "Oh, I'd let history worry about that." The audience applauded his response.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

I somehow missed that there's been a 47-seat turnover in the Senate since the Negroponte vote last year.

Sometimes people vote against their natural inclination because they can't win. It's pure gamesmanship. If the votes had been there, the result might have been quite different.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Rumsfeld: F-

― History (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

i had no idea ilxor was completely swamped with communists

― corey c (shock of daylight), Sunday, 12 November 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

1/10

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 12 November 2006 03:38 (eighteen years ago)

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