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Can anyone help me out with this? I bought the domain name www.loggedoff.net the other day, and then paid another amount so it would point to my website, hosted at http://home.iprimus.com.au/laurapalmer/

So now that's fine, but the subdomains (correct term?) aren't ie if you type in www.loggedoff.net/blog.htm you don't get http://home.iprimus.com.au/laurapalmer/blog.htm, but rather an ad of the people I paid to redirect my site...

I am confused. How do I get this to work properly? Why does it say the redirectors own the site? Any suggestions, or good url's that will help?

Thanks in advance.

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hopeful new answers?

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Paying for pointing, that's preposterous! The suffix should be replicated when the forwarding is actioned, as long as they are identical.I haven't explained that very well which is particularly shite what with this being my job and all that.

― Jonnie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This sounds like you were ripped off Geoff - which company did you use? I've had no issues with my new domain so far, it's been very hassle free. I lurrrve pair.com!

― Sarah, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'subdomains' are domains in front of the main domain name, so in 'classic.ilm.com' and 'dud.ilm.com', 'classic' and 'dud' would be subdomains of the domain 'ilm.com'. after the domain comes the filename, e.g. /pages/index.html

― michael, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm - ok, i paid conexim for the domain name...then i found out that where I had my site wouldn't redirect it for me, and the other people wanted 15 bucks a month...so I went to oznet.net.au, who i paid 55 bucks to, and they did the redirect...well, they sent me instructions on how to do the redirect basically, and transfer the site registration to them i guess. anyway, so I type in loggedoff.net and i get my site , whic is cool..but then you click on the links on the site and they change the page but not the header you see in the top of the browser...so I type in the url of what my blog should be under the new domain name, beacuse surely anything after laurapalmer/ should now just translate to loggedoff.net/ - right? But no...SO I am confused, very confused. Any ideas?

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and the nameservers are correct...it just seems weird...

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

see for example http://home.iprimus.com.au/laurapalmer/labradford.htm and www.loggedoff.net/labradford.htm

They recognise the pages exist, but say they are owned by Oznet...as opposed to say a 404 message.

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

not quite...i can type in loggedoff.net/ass for example, and they say they own it...am i going to be told to pay 55 bucks for every page i want directed? surely not

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

now this is weird...

type in www.loggedoff.net

follow the link to the blog

follow any link on the blog

notice how the url and the heading at the top of the browser, and the footer remain logged off - click to enter....

what is going on????????

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They're using frames to do the redirect, ie The whole window is one large frame containing where the website goes. Add TARGET="_top" to the link tag on the front page.

eg Change <a href="loggedoff.htm" > to <A HREF="http://home.iprimus.com.au/laurapalmer/loggedoff.htm" TARGET="_top">

― Graham, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That frame is retained when you are in the site and therefore you can only go to internal links having gone to the site via the domain name url.

― Jonnie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks guys - you've been a great help.

2 questions now - a) have i been ripped off?

and b) do i have to replace that html in all the webpages now in order to ahve them be loggedoff.net/blog for example?

(sorry if this sounds stupid - I'm a novice at this, and owuld've read the manual ahd there been one.)

― goeff, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a) Probably not, this is the usual way of doing domain name redirects. To make it look like your webpage is really at www.loggedoff.net, they put a page there that creates a frame that takes up the whole window containing your iprimus page. This comes a cropper when you start moving between pages etc.

b) Yes, If you want the address at the top to be loggedoff etc instead of iprimus, though really this doesn't matter.

― Graham, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

why doesn't this matter graham?

(and thanks again - all this help is really appreciated)

― goeff, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

ok, i have what i'm sure is an idiot question, but i'm rather confused. i've registered a domain name with joker.com, and i want to host the webpage elsewhere - how do i do this, but still have it look like the url is the one i've registered, not the one where i'm hosting it? i've managed to get some crappy version going that works in internet explorer, where it uses frames to cover over the url (i think - and i think this is what's described above), but this doesn't work in firefox, and it doesn't seem like the "proper" thing to do. what am i looking for?!

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

You have to:

a) get web-hosting for the domain you've registered
b) tell joker the address of the machine the hosting is on.

This is actually dead simple to set up, but in my experience most hosting companies are either stupid, or wilfully unhelpful.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

what does (a) mean?! i'd like to just use the webspace for my isp (freedom2surf) - is this going to work?!

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ah. No. Wouldn't think so, at any rate.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

FP is right it probably wont - if your ISPs webspace is the free personal homepage kind (eg home.freedom2surf.com/~thingo or similar) then the ISP cant and/or wont help you. A domain name has to have a DNS record that tells it to point to either another domain name record, or an IP address. The IP address (the numeric address) represents the physical machine the webspace is hosted on. So you'd need to organise proper web hosting. I dunno if joker do that also, but it doesn't have to be them. There's lots of cheap webhosting around the place.

Beware though: some webhosts will insist you have the domain "transferred" wo whatever registrar they use if they're to host it. This process can be a REAL PAIN (it was for me - my old hosts would not relinquish control of my domain to my new isp grrr).

I hope this makes some layman sense, I'm terrible at explaining things.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

A domain name has to have a DNS record that tells it to point to either another domain name record, or an IP address. The IP address (the numeric address) represents the physical machine the webspace is hosted on.

Then, the physical machine needs to be told: "you are the webhost for *this* domain, and the files for it are in this folder". So, there's setup to do at both ends. It's not complex, though.

Beware though: some webhosts will insist you have the domain "transferred" wo whatever registrar they use if they're to host it.

Yup. There's actually no technical *need* for this, but it's a good excuse for them to try to get more money out of you. The webhosts that insist on it are basically just scammers.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

so, any suggestions of hosting companies? i'm not going to need much space/bandwidth, i'm guessing.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

The webhosts that insist on it are basically just scammers.

Tell me about it :( I used to work as one of the .net.au authority admins back in the day, and we got a lot of complaints from people about their host/isp dicking them for such things.

Toby: hmm, its hard to say, it depends if you want a local webhost (are you in the UK?) or to go for say, a US hosting company who will be cheaper but you have the risks of pisspoor support when things go bad.

I have a great Aus hosting company and I pay $100AUD a year for 50mb site with a decent monthly bandwidth allowance (I forget what now heh) and the site comes with LOADS of handy extras like PHP/CGI, readymade scripts for mail gateways, blogs, guestbooks and the like, SQL databases, and endless free email addresses. Look for such deals - better value for money :)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

There's actually no technical *need* for this, but it's a good excuse for them to try to get more money out of you.

there's no need, perhaps, but it sure makes it easier to manage. god I loathe domains!!!!

― wu-tang clan analogue (haitch), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

As someone who used to spend all day registering stupid domain names like "oscarorange.com.au" and "percyplum.com.au" for Sydney Markets (like, almost 100 of the bastards) via MelbourneIT's terminally slow one-domain-at-a-time online form, I feel that pain.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh, melbourneit are a bunch of cocksuckers! and I don't mean that in a positive sense, either.

― wu-tang clan analogue (haitch), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

They charge too freakin' much also.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

hi toby i used to use www.portland.co.uk to host my tiny domains and they were okay. it was free for 15Mb storage - the bandwidth isn't awesome though so if you (say) link anything to ilx you'd kill it. but it depends what your estimated traffic is gonna be like really

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

see here
http://www.portland.co.uk/webhosting_free.esp

15Mb storage, 100Mb/month bandwidth

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

nowadays i just use my own computer here to host my webpages. (i run a web server on my home comp over the broadband - it's not fast but at least it's unlimited space/bandwidth!)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

I've been thinking of doing that - but I'd want to run Apache, and I dunno if I can be arsed configuring it (there's Apache for Windows innit? Or am I better off using one of my old abando-boxen to use with Ubuntu or something and running Apache on that?)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i just run apache for windows. it's good enough for what i do.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for the suggestions. is there any easy way to guess at how much bandwidth i'll need? also, would it be possible to save on bandwidth by having the pictures for menus hosted somewhere else (eg my isp account), or will this slow things down or in other ways be a bad idea?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

and is there an obvious place to look for reviews of webhosts? google's giving me too many options!

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

try here
http://www.budgetweb.com/budgetweb/

it used to be pretty good.

to work out the bandwidth you just have to really estimate how many people will be viewing your site and what kind of activity (will there be any downloading of huge files? are the images likely to get linked elsewhere? e.g. on ilx?)

hosting your graphics elsewhere can certainly help. draw backs i guess your site will be slightly more difficult to maintain, and your site will be dependent on two seperate sites being online to work. but no real harm otherwise really.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

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