In case anyone missed this in April....Ice Cream Controversy

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Oh, what a little Wikipedia could have done for Ben & Jerry's...
http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=17890

They still make the flavor, they're just a bit more careful in the marketing.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, that's kind of funny. Did they change the name or just the marketing?

I am trying to decide if I would like this flavor. I'm still haunted by the time I ordered a chocolate pie made with stout. Too much beer flavor, not enough chocolate...

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds pretty good.

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

The name is the same. I suppose North America is it's biggest audience, and the average American doesn't know anything but the drink.

They just disassociated it from irish-ness.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

the ice cream is pretty good

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

My dad would like it.
He has this thing for chocolate and beer...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Saturday, 11 November 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

I had a pint a few months ago, it was pretty good. Didn't know anything about the British group.

― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 12 November 2006 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

Coming soon: Eamonn de Vanilla.

― Brian Emo (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

bloody sundae

― stet (stet), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ended up having some last night at a friend's birthday party. Pretty good. (I presume from the editorial that they're not aware the ice cream is referencing the historical roots via the drink combination.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm staying the hell out of this one!

― Darramouss :D (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Erm, you might want to play down the "loveable comedy racist" routine dude.

― Brian Emo (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone for Orange Order flavour?

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest I'm staying out of it cos I'm half-Irish half-English.

― Darramouss :D (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

A bit off-topic, but does anyone remember Ian Paisley's "Save Ulster from Sorbet" campaign?

― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

link?

― Darramouss :D (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

"(I presume from the editorial that they're not aware the ice cream is referencing the historical roots via the drink combination.)"
I don't think they care either way.
How do you think they feel about people ordering an 'Irish Carbomb?'

Also, that would just piss them off even more. Americans mixing Irish beer(not normally done) and calling it that...
Hell, You have to order a half & half in an Irish bar in america.

I once saw a rep from Guinness on the Food Network demoing various things, talking about why Guinness tastes like it does, etc. Direct from Ireland.
The last thing he did was make a 'Black and Tan.' He looked completely confused by the whole process. the look on his face said "Why am I mixing these? I understand the properties that make them float on each other, but...WHY?"
I think he referred to it as a 'Half and Half.' The lady next to him called it a Black and Tan.
At the time, I didn't understand why he looked so uncomfortable at the 'American' name.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 12 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

The term "Black and Tan" to refer to the drink isn't an American name, it's a British one. And "Black and Tan" as a name for the drink predates its use as the name for the Paras by about 30 years. It is kind of ass-backwards to get offended about it (give an invasive force a nickname based on a popular drink, then get offended when people use the term as it was intended), but meh.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Sunday, 12 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

i like to drink black n tans in the winter - total spot-hitter.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was the timing and nature of the press release more than anything else.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 12 November 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

And then I concoct a black and tan in my brandy snifter
I'm a kleptomaniac K-mart shoplifter

― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

is what dom said true?

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

possibly, I'd check wikipedia, but I'm reading manga.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

I strongly recommend using Guinness (or any stout, really) as the base for an ice cream float. Coffee or french vanilla ice creams are especially good in this concoction.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

That article is totally ridiculous.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Forgive me for not taking someone named "Eewy Cow Pie" seriously.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

He's here all week ladies and gents!

― Darramouss :D (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 13 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

OK, "GZeus," can you tell me any reason to take seriously a leader column that appears not to even KNOW that Black and Tan is a drink? And then accuse OTHER people of not having done their cultural homework? I mean jeez.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hang on a second now, I know Black and Tan is a drink, but that's not what I first think of when I hear "Black and Tan". When I hear Black and Tan I first think of burning buildings! Or people flinging fruit at brutish ex-convict soldiers.

It IS an undeniably stupid fucking name for something that's commemorating St Patricks Day, not least cos it's an American ice-cream and I've no doubt Irish-Americans have subsumed hating British into their personality years ago, and thus are obviously going to be offended by this. One meaning overrides the other, and tons of people haven't heard of black and tan. Here's another amusing facet of all this, NOBODY in Ireland drinks "black and tan", not to my knowledge and the first time I heard of it was when an American joined my school!

Anyway they obviously should have made it BOBBY SANDS CHOCOLATE BLANKET!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Or just "Irish Intestines Are Tasty" sorbet.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I call them 'half and half' too, to avoid needlessly offending my many Irish acquaintances, but I eschew actually drinking the things. I don't drink much Guinness but when I'm in the mood, it doesn't need to be mixed with anything. I do know an Irish bartender who drinks Guinness and cider. In California that's called a 'snakebite' but I can't remember what she calls it.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW I'm pretty sure the drink's called Black and Tan in Australia as well, and I wasn't aware of its problematic associations at all.

Who'd have beer and icecream anyway, bleaugh.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'll do it soon.
Why?
Because it sounds terrible, and I need the catharsis.
Creamy floating frozen grossness. Mmmmm.

And of course the columnist knew it was a drink. You can get them in English bars, if what I've read is correct. Mixed, not floated.
But when you release it on St. Patrick's Day and open it with IRISH, you're obviously targetng a pretty specific market.
Researching that market is basic business sense.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 13 November 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ein G'mischtes, bitte!

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

Was is dies Deutsch?

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

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