And Jones is in as wicketkeeper to strengthen the batting. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6140748.stmBut perhaps this means they might play Monty?
Lets hope Tres finds his form quickly and him and Strauss get some good century partnerships so the pressure isn't on Cook/Pietersen/Bell.If they indeed choose all three. They might choose Jones and Giles so the batting is stronger if they decide to go with an extra bowler incase Fred isn't up to bowling as much as he normally would.
I don't think Mahmood is up to it. We're gonna miss Simon Jones.Lets hope Harmison and Hoggard find their form too when it matters.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Sunday, 12 November 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Copy (2) {AWOL} v ECC 28/05/06 (Lynskey), Sunday, 12 November 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)
"Mate, it's gonna be 5-0...uh, we winning of course..."
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)
Perhaps the current rain in Sydney will spare them further humiliation on this tour. At least until the First Test starts.
― Slipper (Dough Boy), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)
So, urgent and key questions :
1) 4 or 5 bowlers? It's v. important that we don't lose the first test, but 4 bowlers is too negative. But it's a hell of a tail if we play say Mahmood, Hoggard, Harmy and Monty at 8-11.
2) Reduce the tail by Playing Giles? I don't like this, but I think it might happen. Giles has not batted in a test for ages and is less likely to skittle top-order batsmen than Panesar. Both will play in Sydney and possibly Adelaide?
3) Which batsman to leave out. Looks like it's going to be Collingwood, which means a top 5 of Strauss, Tres, Cook, Bell and KP. I'd leave out Tres - he's surely not ready mentally or in form. I'd open with Cook and Strauss, then Bell, KP and Collingwood. Bell at 3 does worry me a bit though.
4) If 4 pacemen, who is the 4th? Mahmood is probably the best suited to hard wickets, but will his poor 1-day form affect his game? Plunkett I think is lucky to be on this tour and I can't see him contributing. So, I'd go for Anderson IF we play 4 seamers. Hopefully his action is more grooved-in than when last seen (economy figures v NSW suggest that it is), but that worry apart I like his ability to move the ball both ways off the seam and get a bit of swing too.
5) Wicketkeeper. It's going to be Jones, but I'd go for Read. I don't feel too strongly about it though.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)
We'll see whether it all gets too much for Flintoff..
How do we think the Aussies are doing? Hussey looking like he'll be a key player already. Have the Aussies hung on to too many of the old guard. Shane Watson?
― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)
james anderson or paul collingwood = i'd go collingwood, fletcher will go anderson. or giles. argh.
shane watson will have a pretty decent series with the bat
hussey will do ok, but not spectacularly.
gilchrist will play at least one match-defining innings
trescothick should be batting at 4, between bell and kp
england tend to live and die as a team. what we really need is for someone (ie KP/Harmison) to buck the trend if all is going pear-shaped and play an innings for the ages/bowl an inspired spell
Harmison will do better than most of us are predicting. I'm not even sure I'd pick him on form atm.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)
As for Giles vs Panesar, Monty is absolutely the only choice. Giles *might* add 20 runs to the total, but the opportunity cost is the chance that Panesar could skittle players early on before they reach their centuries - and none of the mnatches are going to be as close as 20 runs, I'll wager.
Giles is a backup. If Monty falls apart then fine, bring him in. But to start with the reserve? That would be just pointless.
Also, Chris Read is wildly out of form. Jones has experience against Australia. Seems an obvious one to me.
― === temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)
and c'mon, it was pretty harsh, the way it was done.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 13 November 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)
I don't think Eng are weak, we simply DO possess the players now that can turn a game on its head - so Harmison may not come good, but it wouldn't surprise me if he produced a spell that could define the series, a spell that really could shake up a lot of the Aussie batsmen.
And the Aussies players must be very wound up, too. We'll see what the home advantage does to their game, and whether they have hung on to a few of their old guard, not least John Buchanan, who is doing the job till the world cup.
― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)
Tres at 4? Interesting idea, but no. Tres shouldn't be touring.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)
he has hit two fifties in about 20 Test + ODI innings against them, Read has only faced them once (and admittedly gotten a second-ball duck), but that argument doesn't explain the handling of the situation.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)
In the Ashes series he averaged 25 with an 85, a 40, a 30 and a 27 n.o.
He'll need to do better this time, but at least he has an idea of what's required. The management clearly believe that Read is vulnerable with the bat against the v.best.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)
― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)
― === temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)
I think five bowlers is a viable strategy but dropping Collingwood would be counterproductive, he's the only middle order player you can see grinding out an innings a la Thorpey. As suggested by Dr C I'd prefer Cook / Strauss to open, followed by the usual middle order. Bell will do fine, he's a totally different batsman now.
I suspect Hussey's going to have a monstrous series, this worries me, but all told I don't think it's as doom and gloomy as all that. Warne aside the Aus attack doesn't really look that worrying any more, Bracken, Watson et al look useful but nothing more.
― Matt (Matt), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Fine Legs (Sans Sushi), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)
― mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)
indeed, he's gone home.
― mason storm (mason storm), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)
― mason storm (mason storm), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)
(but sadly not Ramps) :-(
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)
I really hope they don't try and rush Vaughan into the team.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)
Bell was much happier batting at 5, but cant really have collingwood batting higher than that, so I guess it is going to be Strauss, Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood, Flintoff, Jones, Giles, Hoggard, Harmison and... I wouldn't be surprised if they go with 2 spinners in Monty. I am not convinced by Mahmood at all. Though Fletcher probably is.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
Our batsmen should be scoring the runs, besides.
ANYWAY, here's some light relief...
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/9739/kpee7.jpg
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)
― mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)
You can however be out "time travel bubble ignites wicket" it's Pietersons most common method of dismissal.
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)
― === temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)
www.tntmagazine.com/ashes/tomvconal/
― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Copy (2) {AWOL} v ECC 28/05/06 (Lynskey), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
Sadly, that commerical always seems to be followed by that wacky Advanced Hair Studio commercial with Warne, Gooch and a text message.
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 19 November 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Sunday, 19 November 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)
PROS
and then it cuts to warney and it says
& CONS...
oh good grief...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)
GLENN McGrath is about to make another impact in the world of batting by wielding a willow the likes of which hasn't been seen for decades.
When he next strides to the wicket in his customary No.11 spot, McGrath will carry with him a bat weighing a whopping three pounds two ounces - 1.42 kilograms - making it the heaviest in world cricket, heavier even than the monsters used by Indian champion Sachin Tendulkar and South African big-hitter Lance Klusener.
― the gangsta Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (H2-H4), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
If I select "Ashes Mode Off" all the sports headlines are about The Ashes yet if I select "Ashes Mode On" all the sports headlines are about football (albeit with an Ashes link up the top):-/
― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)
australia 290-7 at close, i predict.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)
Right, bed. When I wake up I expect...300-0, unfortunately.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)
I really should go to bed, but I'd like to see a wicket. Not sure I can afford to stay up *all* night though
― Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)
A mere 2/141 so far. I say 4/400 at stumps!
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)
― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)
I fear for England when Warne gets bowling on this wicket. And unless we can scuttle a few in the morning I can see the follow on being a major problem
― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)
Any chance of rain?!?
― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)
Brisbane 30° Fine
― the gangsta Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (H2-H4), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)
Also - 9 overs from Pietersen? What are the odds on us playing both spinners for the rest of the series?
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)
Yes. And guess what......it'll turn as well when Warne bowls.
I think the Pietersen overs were a symptom of effectively being a bowler short, not any comment on the pitch. Anderson's figures don't look great either.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)
I was offered a bet last night that Ian Bell will go for less than 10. Din't take it, because I don't think he'll make double figures either.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)
If the batters get in then they'll be fine, Bell's improved enormously since last summer, Strauss and Pietersen are hardly rubbish and Cook looks a good player, I worry about him against Warne but his technique against seam is excellent, plus he has carted the Australians for a double hundred before now. Everyone always forgets Collingwood, which I suspect may be a good thing, he is too little praised and that's ideal. Jorries me, but then he always does. Fletcher seems to be of the opinion that he's suited to australian pitches because he's primarily a back-foot player, but then again, so's Read. We shall see.
We had a shit day, we've had them before, we'll have them again. This is not a bad side, unfortunately they bowled like the Somerset second XI this morning, I do not anticipate a repeat performance.
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
(TOO OBVIOUS?!?)
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)
Pressure is really on Harmison today. Freddie can't carry the team the whole winter. If he gets injured we're fucked.Last night I woke up and turned tv on only to see Pietersen get injured sliding for the ball. Just like simon jones did 4 years ago. Thankfully he's ok.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 24 November 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)