stupid tax question (UK)

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ok i have just started doing my (retired, widowed, very disabled) father's taxes for him

does anyone else on ilx have to do this?

He does not seem to have a UTR (Unique Tax Reference) number assigned -- is this possible or am I being dim? Is it possible mum and dad didn't fill in tax forms? Mum took care of all this kind of stuff, so I have no idea -- I don't recall it ever happening though. I guess I just thought retired people didn't need to -- but it turns out pensions are taxable and dad's is after all now no longer spread between two people :(

I spoke to the helpline but the fact I am his son not him is making them a bit weird -- I can hack it by actively pretending to be him but it seems ridiculous I should be having to do this.

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry, this is the world's most boring question but i am a bit stuck -- and plus bit panicked that he will have to pay loads of back taxes)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

(ok panic over i spoke to someone helpful at last and found out what i need to do -- naturally it involves STAMPS and POSTBOXES and old-skool letter-writin not stupid interweb shortcuts)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

in my experience generic helplines are much less good at helping than yr specific tax office.

benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

oddly enough this was the other way round! but i evidently didn't say the magic words to the specific tax office (= "power of attorney")

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

glad you've found a solution, mark. if you meet any more brick walls, i'd suggest speaking to your local citizens advice bureau: this sort of thing should be right up their street.

xpost: the one time i had tax hassle (more than a decade ago, just after i graduated - part-time employer's fuck-up, it turned out, but deeply pissy for a skint 21-year-old) i went along to my local tax office in edinburgh and they rocked - astonishingly helpful about everything.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this was going to be a dated National Lottery thread.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

that would be stupid-tax question, AS U WELL KNO :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

(also, N: i was sorry you weren't in the pub this evening for liam's leaving do. wd have been good to see you.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

seven years pass...

Q. My employee has lost (not received) the P45 can I issue a duplicate?
A. You must not issue a duplicate P45 under any circumstances.

Why the fuck not? I've either lost mine or they never sent me one or it got lost in the post and I'm stuck on some stupid tax code so I'm out £1000+.

Just spent ages on hold to HMRC only to fail the security questions because I got a digit wrong on my previous address postcode from 7 years ago and (this is the weird bit) because I don't know who I currently work for (I tried the parent company, the actual company and the intermediate parent company and they were all wrong - the parent company is what appears on my bank statement and was what I said first). No idea how I'm supposed to get this fixed.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 31 July 2014 12:54 (eleven years ago)

you should probably write a letter to them if you can find an appropriate address. keep copies of everything, ask for a timely reply. i notice they've recently shut down the face to face access in our town, i'm assuming this is a national policy to avoid dealing with the results of whatever cuts in service they're undergoing. if you're not happy with your written response or you don't get one, your MP's surgery is probably your next move.

dunno what their online communications are like. alternatively just keep on holding on the phone system depending on yr patience.

why you gotta be Joe Root? (Daphnis Celesta), Thursday, 31 July 2014 13:00 (eleven years ago)

I might be OK as my previous employers luckily don't know the rules and sent me a scan of my P45 anyway. Fingers crossed.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 31 July 2014 14:57 (eleven years ago)

four years pass...

hullo UK ilx, i am currently invoicing for a small number of US dollars for a freelance writing job from the UK

i was told i need to fill in a W-9 but this cant be right as i am not a US citizen -- the likely equivalent for non-US citizens seems to be a W-8BEN

naturally the guidance for filling in this (quite short!) form is nightmarishly long and baffling -- does anyone (a) have practical experience of this process or (b) have an up-to-date link which will talk me through it sensibly

QUESTION IN THE MEANTIME: am i correct in believing that line 6 in the W-8BEN (which requests "foreign tax identifying number"), i just put my UK Tax reference number (as supplied by HMRC)?

mark s, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:54 (six years ago)

five years pass...

This bites me every year. Deadline for filling in your self assessment return: Jan 31. Deadline for paying tax: Jan 31. What usually happens is I fill in the self assessment with about one day to spare, I get an email saying "Hi! Your tax return will take about a week to process". Then I forget about it, then two weeks later I get another emailing saying "Oi! You haven't paid your tax". This hardly seems fair.

birming man (ledge), Friday, 14 February 2025 09:35 (one year ago)

Apologies if you already know this, but in case not and it's helpful... You can pay immediately after submitting without waiting for it to process. The calculation of what you owe (if anything) is part of the submission, so pay it straightaway after you submit (assuming you have funds available). The last few years there's even a link to be connected straight to your bank to make the payment somewhat automatically. The 'processing' only seems to refer to the wait for it all to appear on your tax account, which usually takes a few days, I don't think there's any actual reviewing/processing/verifying of what you've submitted per se, that happens as you actually fill in the forms and submit.

Do they give you any fine for the late payment?

I also am a last moment filer every year.

brain (krakow), Friday, 14 February 2025 11:50 (one year ago)

Good to know, ta - if I remember next year. No fine - well there seemed to be a £3 difference between what they said in the message and what i actually paid but that's probably processing fees. I'm still slightly surprised you have to pay it all at once, I suppose sensible people budget for this throughout the year. I wouldn't have to go through this at all if we didn't receive child benefit so it's never on my mind until it has to be.

birming man (ledge), Friday, 14 February 2025 13:00 (one year ago)

Excellent that there's been no real penalty.

I believe that self assessment is shifting to be a quarterly thing in the next few years (what they call 'Making Tax Digital'), so there won't be such a big gap between the time period one is doing a return for and when one actually does the return and pays the resulting tax, which is bad in some ways, but good in others.

brain (krakow), Friday, 14 February 2025 13:30 (one year ago)

Maybe we should try to remember to resurrect this thread over the summer/autumn and nudge us both to start looking at our next returns a bit earlier.

brain (krakow), Friday, 14 February 2025 13:34 (one year ago)


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