does anyone watch UFC?

The introduction of rounds and ref-breakups when things are taking too long on the ground (as far as the audience is concerned) are to blame for this trend, I think. The submission specialists are no longer given enough time to finish things nicely, so now everyone wants to ensure a victory by pounding each other rather, than taking the time and energy expense to set up proper (and relatively safe) submissions.

Having said all that, I really hope Georges St. Pierre hands Matt Hughes his ass this coming Saturday night. Hughes is such an asshole, and I'm tired of his Christian righteous indignation. Does he really believe "his lord and saviour" would approve of the fucking UFC?? All of these clowns who pray and thank Jesus for allowing them to pound the piss out their opponents are morons, and I say this even though I know Hughes is quite intelligent... that just makes it all the more moronic in my opinion.

There are times when these guys are really pounding each other that i wish you were correct Estie.

yeah, i'd be lying if i said i didnt dig on the savagery though. how long can these guys keep fighting in this though? most of the fighters who have been in it long term have wayward eyes and seem incredibly fucked up.

ken shamrock getting busted up twice was a great laugh.

That's exactly why things have turned out as they have though, right? The orginal concept of the UFC wasn't about the audience, it was about how things would actually work themselves out when you let two guys go at it without any interference. There are *many* grapplers who would not have lost matches if the ref hadn't stopped them from gaining proper position in order to submit their opponents.

Of course, it was when the rules started catering to the audience that it became a successful business though. That and the ability to be sanctioned anywhere to fight. Ironic that the newer rules (rounds and ref stand-ups) are seen as safer! There was far less bloodshed in the early days.

With boxing, there's science and poetry, angles and tactics and even (occasionally) beauty. MMA is just dark and sad, pro wrestling if it were real.

The same can be said for grappling though Milo. A perfectly executed judo or aikido throw is one of the most beautiful examples of poetry in motion in all combative sports or martial arts. It's just that with the way the UFC has evolved you rarely get to see any of the science or beauty anymore.

As for the appeal, for me it was originally because I had been a judoka and wrestler for most of my life and all of the boxers and karate guys I knew were convinced that their styles were superior to "mere sports" like judo (although none of them wanted to try mixed sparring). The original UFC completely changed this attitude, and you wouldn't have believed the influx of students from striking MAs who suddenly joined our dojo.

But I'm with ya now. Can't stand the amount of blood and disregard these guys seem to have for each other's safety.

Urdu Fried Chicken?

"With boxing, there's science and poetry, angles and tactics and even (occasionally) beauty. MMA is just dark and sad, pro wrestling if it were real."

You appear to be a douchebag! just fyi lol. You've clearly never seen one of Sakuraba's classic matches if you believe there is no science or poetry in the sport.

also, I hate to come off as an apologist or whatever because I really like boxing just as much as MMA, but ppl make it sound so much more brutal and vulgar (the latter perhaps being true) when boxing is so much more dangerous. MMA guys just are not subjected to the same kind of pounding that your average boxer is, especially when you factor in the bigger gloves which allows guys to wail away on each other for nearly 40 minutes. Concussions in general aren't taken seriously enough in sports, but the prevalence of brain damage and deaths in boxing as opposed to MMA really needs to be stressed.

here is a picture of fedor emilianenko with a baby strapped to his chest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey, I like UFC just fine, but lets not kid ourselves. Their top talent has been ducking Pride's top talent, and frankly, they aren't wrong to do so. Emilianenko would make very short work of them.

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lmbo @ iceman

BLACK POWER!!

didnt that guy beat iceman b4? hes a Pride fighter isnt he?

ya he beat him in Japan. a racewar almost erupted at the bar i was at when lidell got ktfo lol

Oh shit, I missed the Rampage match!

Jackson is a hardass mf.

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lolsylvia

about what you'd expect from that matchup

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I watch it because it's gayer than porn and it's allowed on TV

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Fuckin Jon Jones! Fuckin' Lyoto Machida!

And Kim should've won - I had him 29-27 (10-8 in the first round). Great grappling matchup though.

Best thing about this card - lots of guys who use different techs than the usual, but made them work.

Supernerd that I am, though, I kind of wish Jon Jones' ring nick was "The Martian Manhunter"

i started a rolling mma thread!

rolling mma thread