"The writing is on the wall - computer games rot the brain."

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Look out Jack Thompson/Joe Lieberman:

...We demand that teachers provide our children with reading skills; we expect the schools to fill them with a love of books; and yet at home we let them slump in front of the consoles. We get on with our hedonistic 21st-century lives while in some other room the nippers are bleeping and zapping in speechless rapture, their passive faces washed in explosions and gore. They sit for so long that their souls seem to have been sucked down the cathode ray tube.

They become like blinking lizards, motionless, absorbed, only the twitching of their hands showing they are still conscious. These machines teach them nothing. They stimulate no ratiocination, discovery or feat of memory -- though some of them may cunningly pretend to be educational. I have just watched an 11-year-old play a game that looked fairly historical, on the packet. Your average guilt-ridden parent might assume that it taught the child something about the Vikings and medieval siege warfare...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

good god, is this argument still going? you'd think they'd have grown tired of it by now. yes, playing "the hobbit" and "spectres" on the zx spectrum in 1983 destroyed my mind, just as all those atari 2600s destroyed the older kids, and we're now all functionless zombies.

now, if you'll excuse me, i've got human flesh to feast on.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

"The so-called jazz music has caused a generation of young souls to turn away from God and Shakespeare..."

South Adelaide Gangsta (patog27), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

yes, but the twitching! the twitching, don't you see?!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

hey, it took me an hour to type that post above. goddamn hands.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

The only evidence to support this theory is that somehow Boris Fucking Johnson is allowed to walk the streets without a spontaneous lynch-mob doing the right thing.

Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Nintendo Wii to thread

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

What a tool.

teh_kit (g-kit), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yah, but if he was leadah of the Conservahtive Pahty I'd sooo vote for them!

Die Hitlerjugend (Haberdager), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

They stimulate no ratiocination, discovery or feat of memory

I think they're asking for a return to the good old days of the late 90s, where a random pattern of four dots on the wall in level 6 had to be remembered and keyed into a locked door in level 12. Those were the feats of memory that always screwed me.

See, this is one of the many things that playing video games and getting stoned have in common: you have all these thought processes going on that are totally invisible to anyone who's not also playing the game or stoned. It's as if you're watching a really thought-provoking show on an invisible television -- people walk by and go "OMG this kid is totally catatonic and rotting his brain!"

The "video games make you smarter" line might be a little overplayed these days, but I don't at all doubt that there are a few specific kinds of mental skills where they totally do -- in terms of spatial reasoning and figuring out logical systems / patterns, the things you do in a lot of video games aren't particularly different from the tasks in IQ tests.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

Computer games are not a problem as a whole, only certain ones contain this mind-numbing repetition. Typically they're the 'shoot-em-ups' (although even they do something for the children's mental response speed, and their visio-spatial awareness). These types of games are the principal meat of the console market, and admittedly consoles are largely very unhelpful in this regard. But instead of abolishing all computer games, switch the kids to PC games.

PCs are inherently more educational anyway, due to a much more complicated input system, and a more complex operating system. The games on PCs do not lend themselves to simple fighting games, but rather to more complex ones such as Role Playing Games (RPGs) and Real-Time Strategies (RTSs). In RPGs one typically controls one character or a small group of characters, leads them in a long adventure (the one I'm playing now has 11 discs...) collecting goods and improving the characters along the way, and in an RTS one typically builds a nation or army from scratch and coordinates it to some large end (conquering the world, winning a battle, etc.). These two types of games principally encourage two different skills, but are both very useful and sophisticated. RPGs encourage problem-solving, and RTSs encourage strategy and logistics: massive coordination of resources and timing. Both of them encourage quick thinking, retention and swift recollection of large amounts of information, calculation and coordination.

LOL Shoot-em-upist.

Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

Shoot-em-ups do tend to feel a lot dumber, though! But then again I haven't played any of the new hyper-realistic war-sim ones, which look like they're a lot more inclined toward team logistics and setting up clever lines of fire and all that.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I was just amused at that ole PC snobbery rearing its beardy head. "That's right Boris, smash all their consoles, just leave me my World of Warcraft, okay?"

Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

"It is stupid to say that computer games influence kids. If so, kids who played PACMAN in the eighties would today run around in dark rooms, eating white tiny pills and listen to Monotone music".

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

"They stimulate no ... feat of memory"

Speaking as someone who realised last week that she could freakily recall every single tag/oyster/horseshoe (not photos though) location in SA without using a guide, I say bullshit.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

I thought at first he was talking about Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing as main school curriculum. This shows how good I am at reading 1/2 a paragraph without it sinking in.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

Or maybe their brains are just rotten enough to fly Apaches for the UK Army:

...A senior Army Air Corps source said: "There is no reason why someone has to have gone to university to fly an Apache.

"The skill in flying the aircraft is to absorb large amounts of information from different sources without becoming flustered. The new generation of computer-game playing young sters glued to their PlayStations, Xboxes and Game Boys already have some of those skills."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)


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