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so i think this is interesting, because i violated the aesthetics of this paticular community, and they seem so agressive to defend it...who is right, who is wrong, is this art, is it dead machinery, am i being pretentious and self absorbed, what is art...

― pinkmoose (jacklove), Monday, 8 January 2007 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

What the? The other pictures are car wrecks as well, why would yours be treated any different?

You're not being pretentious or self absorbed, it's a great picture of dead machinery.

What is art? Anything that is presented as art is art.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like your photo.

― Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

On the one hand I can see their point that a viewer can't tell that the car you posted a picture of is "dead", because there's no context. It could be just badly dented. On the other hand, they sound really snotty and rude. On the other other hand, some of the photos come from Russia and other places, it looks like. Maybe some of them don't have English as a first language and don't realise they're being rude.

They do seem rude, though. How can they decide what's art and what's not?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, well Russians have a particularly rigid definition of dead machinery.

And it's not fair, they have so much more to shoot.

― Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

They're full of shit. The picture is completely relevant, imo.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

They're being real jerks but panel damage != dead machines

― S- (sgh), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

What about this one then? Not one comment.

http://community.livejournal.com/deadmachinery/198045.html

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 8 January 2007 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Don't be upset by those comments, anthony - art is art, as Stan has already said. Everyone's perception is different.

I think it's a great picture. In fact, it made me think of machinery death in a similar way to human death because the minivan's headlamp is like a person's eye, and the angle from which you have taken the picture it looks like they are lying supine on the floor after having had the side of their head stoved in after a violent assault. I want to know more about the minivan and how it met it's sad demise, what killed it, who owned, it, was it loved etc etc.

Your picture makes me think. Thank you for sharing it, anthony :)

― C J (C J), Monday, 8 January 2007 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

what killed it, who owned it,

Essentially the same thing, amirite?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Needs the usual signifiers of abandonment and desolation: weedy lot near
defunct factory/ warehouse, random debris, subject should be rusting, etc.. Also you DID NOT BURN THE CORNERS to get that vignettey look.

The problem might be that the photo is too large (at least on my browser) and I had to scroll to see the whole thing, so you can't get a good sense of the composition. Saved image and viewed with picture viewer so I could see the whole thing at once; it's a nicely and deliberately composed and balanced abstact photo and therefore not just a snapshot in my opinion.

There are other pics there that are way more snapshotty or else are close-ups of parts w/out any evidence of being "dead machinery" as such so I don't know why they jumped you specifically.

― slugbuggy (slugbuggy), Monday, 8 January 2007 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

Someone needs to read some Susan Sontag. Not you, Anthony, but they. They can't know that it is a careless snapshot. They don't know how you took the picture. It might have taken you an hour to take that shot. Does that make it art? No, it's not the way it's made that defines whether this is art, to me. I mean, shit, what does it matter how long someone took to make art? (Then it's more about a craft, no?) So using "careless snapshot" as a reason to expel you is simply stupid.

Call me an elitist

No, I'll call you ignorant.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 8 January 2007 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why they jumped you specifically.

Perhaps the other snapshotty photos were from people who'd been active in the community for a while, posting more 'artistic' posed-type shots? People forgive a lot more from those they already know/who have a history of fitting in, don't they.

― ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Monday, 8 January 2007 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

hi dere ilx

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

the net sucks ant. don't take it seriously.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 8 January 2007 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://fauxzen.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/office-space.jpg

― slugbuggy (slugbuggy), Monday, 8 January 2007 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

It is a nice picture, but not as good as the Anthony Easton calendar.

Still no 2007 edition :-(

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 8 January 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

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