US forces storm Iranian consulate

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Does anyone else smell something special coming around the corner?

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

yes, the continuing doodoo of speculation about the us invading iran, which will never happen.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's in Kurdish territory, and all too conveniently timed after That Speech = military Potemkin village.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

put better than i could have myself, stence

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

invasion may never happen but plenty other shit could.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

USA displays great respect for international law!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

fuck a bbc. article is in such a hurry to get to geopolitics it doesn't even bother to say who these dudes were or what the purported reason for their arrest was.

geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Geoff, it's still unseemly. What was it, revenge for Iranians attacking the U.S. Embassy - which was widely criticized at the time as being entirely against international law.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

well, maybe? who knows? it's not like the bbc is telling us anything

geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

my hunch is that it's difficult to find out that information at the moment.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

It's always wrong to attack embassies and consulates.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

If you think people are doing bad things in embassies or consulates, you sever diplomatic relations and send them home. You don't storm the consulate, unless you are a prick.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

“Increase operations against Iranian actors” was listed in the “Key Tactical Shifts” section of the White House's powerpoint presentation released yesterday to give an overview of the Presidents speech.

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

We changing the rules of engagement, boy!

YEEEEE HAWWWWW!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/300px-Slim-pickens_riding-the-bomb.jpg

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

One Iranian MP said it showed America's cruelty and meanness.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

and right we're not gonna invade, but escalating via these kinds of tit for tat things serves the political interests of both bush and ahmadinejad. the hawks in the gop would love to run the '08 campaign based on who can be toughest with iran.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

We'll see about that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i'm not saying it's a wise move. but i think the bill kristol camp really sees broadening the war as the best way to get people back on board. they are likely as deluded in this as they have been in everything else.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

All that said, I have to say the story about this reminds me a lot of those "consular" passports you could buy from Panama or wherever in the late 90s. The problem is that even if it's the building had dubious status, it still sets a very bad precedent.

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

at the bottom of page http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42406000/jpg/_42406933_hitler1_203.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6252595.stm

roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

also wtf germany:

"This is something I find quite dangerous, because Hitler is responsible for everything that happened in Germany, and especially the Holocaust."

^ yea, you were all just following orders!

roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

uh oh

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 11 January 2007 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

like talking points would know, if sen. biden can't even get an answer:

From the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today:

SEN. BIDEN: Last night, the president said, and I quote, "Succeeding in Iraq requires defending its territorial integrity and stabilizing the region in the face of extremist challenges, and that begins with addressing Iran and Syria." He went on to say, "We will interrupt the flow of support for Iran and Syria, and we will seek out and destroy networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

Does that mean the president has plans to cross the Syrian and/or Iranian border to pursue those persons or individuals or governments providing that help?

SEC. RICE: Mr. Chairman, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs was just asked this question, and I think he perhaps said it best. He talked about what we're really trying to do here which is to protect our forces and that we are doing that by seeking out these networks that we know are operating in Iraq. We are doing it through intelligence. We are then able, as we did on the 21st of December, to go after these groups where we find them. In that case, we then asked the Iraqi government to declare them persona non grata and expel them from the country because they were holding diplomatic passports.

But the -- what is really being contemplated here in terms of these networks is that we believe we can do what we need to do inside Iraq. Obviously, the president isn't going to rule anything out to protect our troops, but the plan is to take down these networks in Iraq.

The broader point is that we do have and we have always had as a country very strong interests and allies in the Gulf Region, and we do need to work with our allies to make certain that they have the defense capacity that they need against growing Iranian military build-up, that they fell that we are going to be a presence in the Persian Gulf Region as we have been, and that we establish confidence with the states with which we have long alliances, that we will help defend their interests. And that's what the president had in mind.

SEN. BIDEN: Secretary Rice, do you believe the president has the constitutional authority to pursue across the border into Iraq (sic/Iran) or Syria, the networks in those countries?

SEC. RICE: Well, Mr. Chairman, I think I would not like to speculate on the president's constitutional authority or to try and say anything that certainly would abridge his constitutional authority, which is broad as commander in chief.

I do think that everyone will understand that -- the American people and I assume the Congress expect the president to do what is necessary to protect our forces.

SEN. BIDEN: Madame Secretary, I just want to make it clear, speaking for myself, that if the president concluded he had to invade Iran or Iraq in pursuit of these -- or Syria -- in pursuit of these networks, I believe the present authorization granted the president to use force in Iraq does not cover that, and he does need congressional authority to do that. I just want to set that marker.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 11 January 2007 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Biden is doing the usual US Senate bollocks of saying "you can't invade countries without asking us first, but we will probably agree to let you invade anyone if you ask nicely first".

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 11 January 2007 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

yeah what a jerk, right?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 11 January 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think you can strike the "probably" from that sentence

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 January 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

like talking points would know, if sen. biden can't even get an answer:

I think friendly, unspecific under-the-radar leaks might reveal more than adversarial public Congressional testimony?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

presumably Biden has heard similar?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Josh Marshall gets friendly leaks all the time. He was told about Mark Foley's buggering desires the in the spring or early summer, for exampel.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I get the impression that Iran and Iraq do not actually have diplomatic relations, so that "consulate" would not actually have had diplomatic cover. So storm away!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

biden did also say publicly that for the white house to escalate into iran would spark a "constitutional confrontation" which is slightly unexpected language if all he means is "must use the magic word -- if say pretty please we will comply" (i am not at all a biden fan, and i know that talking tough then totally caving has been a repeat feature of "centrist" "resistance" to this admin on constitutional issues)

seems there was also a face-off between US troops and kurdish troops as a consequence of this, so fun all round :|

mark s (mark s), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)


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