Long sentences: classic or dud?

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Personally, I am a lover of long sentences, sentences that wind their way through various clauses and complements, bucking the contemporary trend toward bite-sized bits of information and prose that relishes its own staccato impoverishment, as if the sign of a great writer lies in her or his ability to keep everything small, to simplify and etiolate, rather than to perform high-wire acts of syntax and grammar, pulling the reader's attention first in one direction, then another, balancing it all on a string of phrases, a string that allows us, the onlookers, to revel in the sheer joy of language, the crazy courage of the feat itself, the suspense of wondering when it will collapse like a castle made of toothpicks or a spaceship built from playing cards—and then the joy in seeing it all work out just fine, because, yes, we were in capable hands, skilled hands, the hands of a master builder, or maybe just somebody who got lucky, which is often the case with writing that works well, as any writer will tell you: so much depends upon luck, which is not to suggest that the creator doesn't mind taking some credit for what was created, because regardless of how much luck or skill went into it, the fact is, the sentence still exists, still sits there wriggling around itself, proving to us all (including the author) that just because most people like things small and compact, and most writers are perfectly happy to indulge this desire, nonetheless exceptions remain possible and powerful, and may indeed be more powerful than they were in, for instance, the London of Samuel Johnson's time, when every scribe of any ambition at all went about constructing one architectural wonder of a sentence after another, because what is the point of writing if you cannot achieve with it things that cannot be achieved by speech, and this attitude led to a proliferation of ornate sentences designed to contain entire arguments between the first word and the final period, which often waited so far down at the other end of things that once the reader got to it, everything from the beginning had become a hazy memory, a vague recollection of the original idea, and so the ordinary reader, rather than the reader with perfect recall, was forced, if she or he wanted to understand the entire sentence, to return to the beginning and start reading all over again, hoping this time to bring more of the ideas into focus, or even to discover if the grammar held any ideas at all, because (at least from a cynical point of view) it was just as likely that the sentence was a bloated collection of words that said little, or perhaps nothing at all, and the unwary reader might get caught in the feedback loop of starting and ending and starting and ending again and again without ever really discovering anything of value, other than the structure of the sentence, for which the words were merely an excuse, and this might lead readers to distrust all such sentences, because anybody can tell you that a bad experience with one exasperating exhibition of linguistic panache is enough to make a reader wary of any but the most straightforward and simple writing, though we do stumble into a bit of a briar patch with such a desire, because "straightforward" and "simple" are entirely a matter of perception, and our perception of such things depends upon our level of literacy, our experience with other texts, our expectations of what writing should do, and our desires from the writing at hand, so it is difficult ever to say that one type of writing is somehow inherently "clear" while another is inherently "opaque", but on the other hand, I doubt anyone would suggest that a particularly long sentence is likely to be an example of the clearest writing possible, or that such a sentence could not be clarified by cutting it up into pieces, so I am not going to insist that everything is relative and there is some culture somewhere where long sentences are seen as the easiest things to understand, but I do want to propose that clarity should not always be the thing we value most, because while, yes, if I want to communicate a particular bit of information I'm going to try to do that in as clear a manner as possible, much of the time when I write I am not writing purely to convey information, but to convey some information in certain ways, and it is those certain ways that bring the pleasure of writing to me, that make me glad I am a writer and a reader, because when I read something where the author has paid as much attention to how they say what they say as what they say, all my pleasure centers get a workout, and let's be honest here, anyway, and admit that there really aren't that many original ideas or stories left to be expressed, so the manner of expression matters more and more, because why should I bother to read something full of pedestrian expression when I can leap back fifty or a hundred or a thousand years for something that says exactly the same thing, but says it with more style, with more attention to the details of how the idea is shaped and conveyed—the sort of attention that exists in a culture that cares about the way things are made rather than simply the fact that they were made, a culture that isn't fixated on function only, but on art and beauty, which, if we're to indulge our most Romantic and idealistic feelings, are the closest things to real truth as we're likely to find, because truth is contingent, which means it slithers and slips away just when you think you've got it in hand, and so truth is much like a long sentence, a sentence that exists simply to exist, impossible to sum up without reducing it to something less than what it is, because it was not written only to convey an idea, but to embody that idea as well, to show off a bit, to be maybe a touch arrogant, but also to prove that the world has room for such things, and a little bit of variety never hurt anybody, and not every page benefits from a lot of short sentences, because such things grow tiresome as much as long sentences do, though I must admit, having gotten to this point, short sentences do possess one advantage over their longer, more unwieldy cousins: they are easier to end.

Matthew Cheney (Revivalist), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

BAN MATTHEW CHENEY

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

When the pawn..

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Long sentences must use semi-colons, otherwise they confuse me.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

(or was it prawn?)

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Mais j’avais revu tantôt l’une, tantôt l’autre, des chambres que j’avais habitées dans ma vie, et je finissais par me les rappeler toutes dans les longues rêveries qui suivaient mon réveil ; chambres d’hiver où quand on est couché, on se blottit la tête dans un nid qu’on se tresse avec les choses les plus disparates : un coin de l’oreiller, le haut des couvertures, un bout de châle, le bord du lit, et un numéro des Débats roses, qu’on finit par cimenter ensemble selon la technique des oiseaux en s’y appuyant indéfiniment ; où, par un temps glacial le plaisir qu’on goûte est de se sentir séparé du dehors (comme l’hirondelle de mer qui a son nid au fond d’un souterrain dans la chaleur de la terre), et où, le feu étant entretenu toute la nuit dans la cheminée, on dort dans un grand manteau d’air chaud et fumeux, traversé des lueurs des tisons qui se rallument, sorte d’impalpable alcôve, de chaude caverne creusée au sein de la chambre même, zone ardent et mobile en ses contours thermiques, aérée de souffles qui nous rafraîchissent la figure et viennent des angles, des parties voisines de la fenêtre ou éloignées du foyer, et qui se sont refroidies ; chambres d’été où l’on aime être uni à la nuit tiède, où le clair de lune appuyé aux volets entrouverts, jette jusqu’au pied du lit son échelle enchantée, où on dort presque en plein air, comme la mésange balancée par la brise à la pointe d’un rayon ; parfois la chambre Louis XVI, si gaie que même le premier soir je n’y avais pas été trop malheureux et où les colonnettes qui soutenaient légèrement le plafond s’écartaient avec tant de grâce pour montrer et réserver la place du lit ; parfois au contraire celle, petite et si élevée de plafond, creusée en forme de pyramide dans la hauteur de deux étages et partiellement revêtue d’acajou, où dès la première seconde j’avais été intoxiqué moralement par l’odeur inconnue du vétiver, convaincu de l’hostilité des rideaux violets et de l’insolente indifférence de la pendule qui jacassait tout haut comme si je n’eusse pas été là ; où une étrange et impitoyable glace à pieds quadrangulaire, barrant obliquement un des angles de la pièce, se creusait à vif dans la douce plénitude de mon champ visuel accoutumé un emplacement qui n’était pas prévu ; où ma pensée, s’efforçant pendant des heures de se disloquer, de s’étirer en hauteur pour prendre exactement la forme de la chambre et arriver à remplir jusqu’en haut son gigantesque entonnoir, avait souffert bien de dures nuits, tandis que j’étais étendu dans mon lit, les yeux levés, l’oreille anxieuse, la narine rétive, le coeur battant : jusqu’à ce que l’habitude eût changé la couleur des rideaux, fait taire la pendule, enseigné la pitié à la glace oblique et cruelle, dissimulé, sinon chassé complètement, l’odeur du vétiver et notablement diminué la hauteur du plafond.

Marcel Proust (Revivalist), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

Long sentences in books, fine. On screen, I just skip them.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

In the case of the Guildford Four, Birmingham Six etc.: dud.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Long words>>>>>>>>>>>long sentences

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Wally Klemmer is currently indisposed.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

RJG to thread?

The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

But I had re-examined one sometimes, sometimes the other, of the rooms which I had lived in my life, and I finished by me recalling them all in the long daydreams which followed my alarm clock; rooms of winter when when one is lying, one blottit the head in a nest which one braids with the most disparate things: a corner of the pillow, top of the covers, an end of shawl, the edge of the bed, and a number of pink DEBATES, which one ends up cementing together according to the technique of the birds while resting on it indefinitely; where, by an icy time the pleasure which one tastes is to feel separate outside (like the tern which has its nest at the bottom of an underground in the heat of the ground), and where, fire being maintained all the night in the chimney, one sleeps in a large coat of hot and smoky air, crossed gleams of the firebrands which are re-ignited, kind of impalpable alcove, heat cave dug within the room even, zone burning and mobile in its thermal contours, aired breaths which refresh us the figure and come from the angles, the parts close to the window or and which cooled; rooms of summer when one likes to be plain at the tepid night, where the moonlight supported to the half-opened shutters, throws to the foot of the bed its enchanted scale, where one sleeps almost in the open air, as the titmouse balanced by the breeze with the point of a ray; sometimes the room Louis XVI, if merry that even the first evening I had not been too unhappy there and where the posts which supported the ceiling slightly drew aside with such an amount of grace to show and reserve the place of the bed; sometimes on the contrary that, small and so high of ceiling, dug in the shape of pyramid in the height of two stages and partially covered mahogany tree, where as of the first second I had been poisoned morally by the unknown odor of the vetiver, convinced of the hostility of the purple curtains and the insolente indifference of the clock which jacassait high as if I had not been there; where strange and pitiless quadrangular ice with feet, obliquely barring one of the angles of the part, dug with sharp in the soft plenitude of my accustomed visual field a site which was not envisaged; where my thought, endeavouring during hours to dislocate itself, to stretch itself in height to take the shape of the room exactly and to manage to fill until in high gigantic sound funnel, had suffered well from hard nights, while I was wide in my bed, the raised eyes, the anxious ear, the restive nostril, the beating heart: until the practice had changed the color of the curtains, makes conceal the clock, taught pity with the oblique and cruel ice, dissimulated, if not driven out completely, the odor of the vetiver and notably decreased the height of the ceiling.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Who needs Beckett when you've got Babelfish?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

And yet I prefer my translation:

But I had seen first one and then another of the rooms in which I had slept during my life, and in the end I would revisit them all in the long course of my waking dream: rooms in winter, where on going to bed I would at once bury my head in a nest, built up out of the most diverse materials, the corner of my pillow, the top of my blankets, a piece of a shawl, the edge of my bed, and a copy of an evening paper, all of which things I would contrive, with the infinite patience of birds building their nests, to cement into one whole; rooms where, in a keen frost, I would feel the satisfaction of being shut in from the outer world (like the sea-swallow which builds at the end of a dark tunnel and is kept warm by the surrounding earth), and where, the fire keeping in all night, I would sleep wrapped up, as it were, in a great cloak of snug and savoury air, shot with the glow of the logs which would break out again in flame: in a sort of alcove without walls, a cave of warmth dug out of the heart of the room itself, a zone of heat whose boundaries were constantly shifting and altering in temperature as gusts of air ran across them to strike freshly upon my face, from the corners of the room, or from parts near the window or far from the fireplace which had therefore remained cold–or rooms in summer, where I would delight to feel myself a part of the warm evening, where the moonlight striking upon the half-opened shutters would throw down to the foot of my bed its enchanted ladder; where I would fall asleep, as it might be in the open air, like a titmouse which the breeze keeps poised in the focus of a sunbeam–or sometimes the Louis XVI room, so cheerful that I could never feel really unhappy, even on my first night in it: that room where the slender columns which lightly supported its ceiling would part, ever so gracefully, to indicate where the bed was and to keep it separate; sometimes again that little room with the high ceiling, hollowed in the form of a pyramid out of two separate storeys, and partly walled with mahogany, in which from the first moment my mind was drugged by the unfamiliar scent of flowering grasses, convinced of the hostility of the violet curtains and of the insolent indifference of a clock that chattered on at the top of its voice as though I were not there; while a strange and pitiless mirror with square feet, which stood across one corner of the room, cleared for itself a site I had not looked to find tenanted in the quiet surroundings of my normal field of vision: that room in which my mind, forcing itself for hours on end to leave its moorings, to elongate itself upwards so as to take on the exact shape of the room, and to reach to the summit of that monstrous funnel, had passed so many anxious nights while my body lay stretched out in bed, my eyes staring upwards, my ears straining, my nostrils sniffing uneasily, and my heart beating; until custom had changed the colour of the curtains, made the clock keep quiet, brought an expression of pity to the cruel, slanting face of the glass, disguised or even completely dispelled the scent of flowering grasses, and distinctly reduced the apparent loftiness of the ceiling.

Scott Moncrieff (Revivalist), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Personne n'aime une chatte futée.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

yr a fag

SAVE IT FOR THE CAKE LIST YOU CRAZY BROAD (patog27), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Henry James and Proust to thread.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Wm. Faulkner and Gabriel Garcia Marquez also to thread.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

PF to thread?

RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

PEW to thread

a_p (a_p), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ernest Hemingway and James Ellroy not to thread.

I wonder why short sentences are always regarded as "muscular prose"? Is there something particularly unmanly about the long sentence?

Matthew Cheney (Revivalist), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

gerard manley hopkins (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it's men = strong and silent, women = flabby and gabby. It's funny how this cliché still holds, though, even with (or maybe especially with) literary fiction, with short sentence styles for manly Cormac McCarthy type characters. Offhand I can't think of any women who write in short sentenced, adjective/adverb-free "muscular" prose.

Matthew Cheney (Revivalist), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

prose can't really be muscular

Interpreter of dreams predictor of weather (Mr.Que), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.portalplanetasedna.com.ar/borges.jpg
classic!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.indiana.edu/~ovid99/prose.html

Of course, unlike small boys who don't yet know better than to say that girls' books are "sappy," serious readers, male or female, would never admit to thinking that fiction by women is inferior. Male writers and critics have learned not to express every demented thought that crosses their minds, and besides, in most cases, they sincerely believe that they don't esteem writing according to the writer's gender. So one searches mostly in vain for current ruminations on the subject of "why women can't write."

Interpreter of dreams predictor of weather (Mr.Que), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

A sentence should be exactly as long as is needed for the author of it to completely express one whole and well-rounded thought. Long sentences are fine, when they have something of interest to say and say it in an interesting manner. Matthew Cheney's long sentence above is long-winded, bloody awkward in places and overweeningly self-congratulatory from start to finish. This tends to work against it.

He would do better to stick to his knitting and edit it into as many sentences as he needs to do the job right and not try to pull off a tour de force that is beyond his powers. Either that, or rework his sentence repeatedly until, through striving, his powers come up to the required level.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/derrida/gifs/derrida.jpg
dud.

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Zing more, Aimless! There's nothing more satisfying than a truly literate zingification!

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

zignification

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 12 January 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I love that first part of chapter four of Faulkner's "The Bear," roughly 12 pages, roughly one sentence. There are some full stops inside quotations, and it's broken into paragraphs, but it still tumbles out in one not-quite-seamless piece.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes classic, sometimes dud, certainly dud in the case of Harold Shipman.

Luke Slater (Alan Bean), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

brevity is the soul of wit

friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)


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