the archetypal yuppie of the eighties sounds precisely like, um, everyone you know.

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― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

The yuppie’s bizarre lifestyle preferences were intended to elicit populist guffaws. Here are some of the things, according to The Yuppie Handbook, that the budding yupster could not live without: gourmet coffee, a Burberry trench coat, expensive running shoes, a Cuisinart, a renovated kitchen with a double sink, smoked mozzarella from Dean & DeLuca, a housekeeper, a mortgage, a Coach bag, a Gucci briefcase, and a Rolex.

Hmmm. I know nobody like this.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

yeah sorry, this isn't my peoples.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

yet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

yeah well. i guess i know yuppies, but it's not everyone. i doubt any of them would buy a rolly, even then.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

I would love a double sink.

― reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.pestaola.gr/images/p_diddy_cristal_champagne.jpg http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9707/cover3mm.jpg

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

What's a Cuisinart?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

i have a double sink.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Cuisinart = fancy word for food processor.

― The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

You know, it's not until I typed that word that I realised its etymology. I never heard it called anything except a Kwee-zen-art so I never realised it was Cuisine Art. Ha ha ha.

― The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

who in this bitch has any kind of briefcase, let alone a gucci one?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

i have a double sink.

more reasons to haet...

― reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

cuisinart = art made of cuisinaire rods

http://www.woodentotsmk.co.uk/categories/03wtke/03cuisinaire.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

how can anyone get by without a double sink? better than sliced bread

― PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Not the George Foreman Grill/Simon Reynolds Roaster/Tom Ewing Toaster then... (Cuisinart xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I DO have a Burberry trenchcoat. I found it in my parents' back closet - presumably it was either my late grandfather's or belonged to some long gone party guest.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

This describes something like 80% of the people I went to college with.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

My parents have 3/11 (double sink, Cuisinart, mortgage). I think I have a few friends with the expensive clothes, which is jarring because college students are supposed to be POOR.

― Maria (Maria), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, totally depends on where you go to college! When you turn around and see the heiresses of Beatrice, John Lithgow's kid, Rupert Murdoch's kid, Al Gore's kids, the Prince of Denmark, etc etc, you start realizing how little money your family actually has.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Surely "yuppie" would be an odd designation for the prince of Denmark though.

Wait, is his name Klaus? I think he and the queen visited my high school once! It was bizarre!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

Haha I'm a posh professional 30-something and I have, uh, a mortgage (wtf?). Does Illy count as gourmet coffee?

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I don't remember his name, actually. He was a year below me. He tried to get a rent-controlled apartment!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I like nice coffee. I own several pairs of kicks that cost more than $100. I have an 80s Cuisinart that is a motherfucker. It kicks nine kinds of culinary ass, and I can't imagine my kitchen without it. Wish I had a double sink, and often buy cheese in the $12-$25/lb. price range.

The rest of that shit can go fuck.

Am I a yuppie? Do I care?

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Ah no, Google tells me it must in fact have been the Dutch queen and prince that I am remembering.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

Does Illy count as gourmet coffee?

By 80s standards, duh, obviously. Even by today's standards, duh, obviously. Unless it has to come from the digestive tract of a small mammal to count as gourmet.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

I have a La Pavoni espresso machine, which is pretty fucking yuppie. But also my stove is from the 1960s, you can ski down my floors, and my kitchen cabinet doors are falling off one by one.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

I have a double sink. (God, that sounds lewd) I also have a food processor (crap thing. I love to cook.

Does Illy count as gourmet coffee?
By 80s standards, duh, obviously

WAH?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

It costs more than $20/lb in the U.S.!

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

Does Illy count as gourmet coffee?

By 80s standards, duh, obviously. Even by today's standards, duh, obviously. Unless it has to come from the digestive tract of a small mammal to count as gourmet.

I was making reference to the thread all about gourmet coffee where pre-ground Illy was considered "not bad immediately after opening". So it seemed sensible to assume that "gourmet" refers to stuff a bit rarer or more expensive or more special than something I bought in Somerfield (low-rent UK supermarket chain).

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

we have our groceries delivered to our doorstep

― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

But Nat, decent coffee has been standard in continental Europe forever. We had to wait until 1997 to get anything that wasn't vile and in granulated form. We are light years behind you coffee-wise.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know if it's "yuppie" to have a few very good items that are necessary for or related to your specialized pursuits (like having a heavy-duty food processor if you do a lot of cooking, tho maybe Cuisinart is high-end even for the high end). I think part of the slide into yuppie-dom is demanding that level of specialization in many or all areas, even those where you aren't really an expert/practitioner...?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

I was making reference to the thread all about gourmet coffee where pre-ground Illy was considered "not bad immediately after opening".

Oh, well if you're talking the pre-ground stuff in the tins - nothing pre-ground is gourmet by taste standards. But Illy is good coffee and in the U.S. it's expensive.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

And in the 80s in the U.S., whatever the equivalent of Illy was would have been the exclusive province of yuppies.

But you can make "gourmet" coffee with cheaper stuff than Illy.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

I had a double sink in my last apartment's kitchen, including one of those spray nozzles that are great for rinsing and for filling the Brita filter when you can't squeeze it in the basin amidst your dirty dishes. Other than that, the apartment wasn't particularly luxurious.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yuppiness was all about demonstrating one's sophistication, taste and wealth by knowing what to buy/wear. It assumed that ordinary people just bought ordinary things, whatever cheap crap was available, and that it took an extraordinary person to know the difference between Emmenthaler and "Swiss cheese", between a Rolex and a Swatch, between a BMW and a Camaro.

The yuppies won. Yuppie signifiers of good taste can be bought just about anywhere, by anyone. Izod, Burberry, Henkels, Dean & DeLuca, Starbucks, etc. "Good" scotch. "Good" cheese. We all expect easy access to ostensibly high-quality products at consumer prices. Sur La Table. Design Within Reach. Most of us care about male grooming and the art world.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

i think a britta filter would have appealed to yuppies...

xpost

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

cuisinart = art made of cuisinaire rods

Haha, this is what I thought when I was 7.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 12 January 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

that article makes me feel even more like i'm living in a bubble (held together by the tail end of studentdom + an active creative life) that could pop at any moment. and it will. which is good b/c i will get to buy shoes but which is bad b/c of getting caught up in crap that seems so obviously crappy but lessens in crappiness the closer one is to it. is fear of getting mired in it enough to keep it away? do not want fear, want fulfilling things not emptily signifying things (i think that is the difference btwn the 80s yuppie and now. what do these things actually stand for when "everyone" can have them? (everyone can't. but it seems everyone wants.))

i am moving to the woods and getting a cow and making a garden.
but not for a while.
:/

― rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Weird, our house had a double sink for decades. I thought it was a '70s thing.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I think there ought to be a separate category for the young urban person living way beyond his/her means. I know plenty of people like this in NYC - earning very little money (usually in media-related jobs), but eating/drinking out more often than my wife and I and in fancier places, buying trendier clothing, and filling their (admittedly very small) apartments with higher-end appliances.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

YUDS - Young Urban Deficit Spender

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, exactly - what's so important about these things that people are willing to go into debt for them?
(kind of a rhetorical question)
xpost

― rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

we've got a huge double sink in our apt, but it's a pre-war tenement building. i think tenants were supposed to wash clothes and small children in it.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Easy to say, rrrobyn, if you make your own gourmet cheese!

Beyond Urban Means-er?
Paid In Glamour-ie?

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

But now, the smart money is on going down to Lidl.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

the scale of needs and wants as it relates to income anyway has gotten intensely skewed
xpost

haha, omg, the next big thing will be having a place in the country and making yr own gourmet cheese

― rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

organic-farm yuppies

― rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

i think there are a fair amount of those already.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

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my current place is the first place i've ever lived that didn't have a double sink. and remembering some of the places i've lived it's kind of funny to think of it as some sort of desirous yuppie thing.

― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

I happily concede that transportation/distribution of "organic" goods is ostensibly less efficient than a huge streamlined corporate operation - however, those are not the only costs involved, and the comparison shouldn't be made exclusively in those terms. There's also the issue of the actual products being sold and what their environmental/social costs are - and those can be pretty tremendous considering what McD's and Walmart actually sell. For example, the environmental costs of McDs beef (which are also transported intercontinentally via fossil fuels) are not pretty. Especially when lined up against organic beef that was grown on a small farm less than 20 miles from where you live.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of want to take that class.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

Life passes me by.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

who in this bitch has any kind of briefcase, let alone a gucci one?

I had to buy one at the thrift shop so I could do this series of photographs for a piece about a businessman who couldn't wait for the boat.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e391/marthasminions/eric12.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e391/marthasminions/eric29.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e391/marthasminions/eric36.jpg

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

What is a double sink?

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

Not like anyone really needs to do the whole "worst trendpiece ever" routine here, cause every one of them seems equally unjustified, but seriously: how is it news that the cutting-edge consumer goods of the 80s are more common today? It's like sitting in the 1930s and being amazed that automobiles have proliferated beyond the "insanely rich daredevil" market: umm, duh? What would be newsworthy would be if we suddenly reversed all consumer trends and economic expansion and became some sort of anarchic agrarian society -- see now that would call for a trendpiece.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jel, it's a big-ass sink with a divider in the middle so there are two basins.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

A sink with two sides, left and right. One for washing, one for rinsing. I keep my dish drainer right down inside the left one, because I need the counter space for my cappuccino machine.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

I don't ever use my food processor. It totally fucks up raita—liquifies the cukes.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

Blimey! Two basins! Seriously, I don't know anyone who has that.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

Nabisco: You're a doll, but talking is not always an attempt to impress people who already know everything.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

"What would be newsworthy would be if we suddenly reversed all consumer trends and economic expansion and became some sort of anarchic agrarian society -- see now that would call for a trendpiece."

see all NYT articles on "freak folk" scene

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

Back to the LAND! Let's have a COMMUNE, so we can all grow to HATE each other!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

We could just get an allotment.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Does no one remember "Pat the Yuppie"? It came out in the 80s. It was "Pat the Bunny" except with all the upscale yuppie signifiers, i.e. "FEEL the exposed-brick wall!" "RUB the lambskin driver's seat cover!"

Yuppies were always a little bit retro. People started wearing suspenders again. It was about "quality" stuff. Which to me is about as far from the 90s thing of sleek modernist minimalism and cheap Ikea crap as I can think of (and the NOW thing, since fashion and style have not noticeably changed in 10 years).

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

I know of at least two people now w/ chickens in their backyards. This is in the urban residential sections of Portland.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yuppiedom was all about the Beemers.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sorry, those sentences were atrocious. I need to go home. What I meant was that the 90s thing of sleek minimalism etc. as embodied by Robert DeNiro's apartment in Heat, and Baudrillard's formulation of "ostentatious austerity" has not changed in 10 years. and that 80s yuppie style was very far from that, much less sophisticated, more a kind of clumsily earnest attempt to be more European.

xpost

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

wtf are you on about 80s yuppies had tons of sleek minimalism goin on

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

To me:

Yuppies = brick phone = "Capital City" = negative equity

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

Shakey like what? I'm thinkin leg warmers, exposed brick, sheepskin seat covers, Gucci crap, bowties, suspenders, neatly-trimmed beards, big luxurious turtleneck sweaters, hot cups of San Francisco chocolate, "going to the gym" suddenly a Thing for office drones; what was minimalist? what was austere?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

Beales, I have no idea WTF you're talking about, but I'm a real human boy, not a doll.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yuppies: live in urban lofts, work professional jobs, own (or lust after) sleek minimalist furniture, drive (or lust after) expensive import cars, exercise regularly, care about culture and personal grooming, are conservative.

90s version: same on all counts, but are liberal and in love with a kind of shaggy-dog hipsterism.

Euai is right only in that 80s yuppiedom was more crude and naive in its attempted appropriation of Euro cool signifiers.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

Nagel prints, skinny ties, 80s architecture, new wave music, ad infinitum.

did you actually live through the 80s?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

zomg a generation can comprise seemingly opposing aesthetics at the same time

― cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

"Euai is right only in that 80s yuppiedom was more crude and naive in its attempted appropriation of Euro cool signifiers."

OTM

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

"sheepskin seat covers, Gucci crap, bowties, suspenders, neatly-trimmed beards, big luxurious turtleneck sweaters,"

this sounds more like Tucker Carlson (except for the beard part)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

The main 80s-yuppie minimalism coming to mind for me is in terms of interior decorating, and that's mostly picked up from movies, where the spaces of "family" (good) are cluttered and warm and homey, while the spaces of "yuppies" (bad) are sleek, sterile, all glossy black surfaces and brushed steel with purple track lighting and bursts of hot-pink art.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

alex p. keaton, man for all seasons

― cheesesteak and shake (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

haha Nabisco also totally OTM!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

Blimey! Two basins! Seriously, I don't know anyone who has that.

we had one in our council house!

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

while the spaces of "yuppies" (bad) are sleek, sterile, all glossy black surfaces and brushed steel with purple track lighting and bursts of hot-pink art.

exactly, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

where the ice slides in and breaks all them fancy compact disc players.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

jel is awesome on this thread (as per usual) (and so is mark s)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Nabisco: Sorry, I'm getting paranoid. I thought you were slamming the cheap, familiar analysis of yesterday's news on display this thread. If not, then I'm a dick, and that comes as no surprise anyway. ILM = mean people, right?

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure Nabs is, like, the only person on ILX who HASN'T been mean to you, Beales. Do keep up.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

I know. We always hurt the ones we love.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, no, Adam: what I meant was that everyone here on ILX knows that trend pieces are 99% flimsy and ridiculous, to the point where you don't need me saying "b-b-but this trend piece is flimsy and ridiculous because of X, Y, and Z" -- it's like the joke that's too obvious for anyone to actually make it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

Learning is cool.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

"yuppies" (bad)

I think of yuppies as the cast of "thirtysomething" more than I think of them as Lex Luthor.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I wish I could pinpoint the pop culture I'm thinking of here -- I think I'm being swayed by cheap caricatures in stuff like Christmas Vacation and The Baby Boom.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

maybe the neighbors (Julia Louis Dreyfus and someone else) in National Lampoon's Xmas movie?

― fuck you slacks (Mr.Que), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

oh that's what you said. never mind

― fuck you slacks (Mr.Que), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

todd and margot? xpost

― ai lien (kold_krush), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

Miami Vice?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the neighbors in that flick pretty much exemplify this mindset, that yuppies were strident & cold, contemptuous of family(they have no kid and treat Clark's like shit), obsessed w/ conspicuous consumption, etc etc etc.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

Does no one remember "Pat the Yuppie"? It came out in the 80s.

I have that right here! Pat the Money.

"Here are Paul and Judy. They were born before 1960. They're boomers. They can do lots of things.

Then there's you. You were born after 1960. You're a buster. But you can do lots of things too."

"Judy and Paul can hide in their tax shelter.
Now YOU hide in a shelter"

etc.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really mind being sort of a yuppie. i didn't grow up with enough $$ to buy nice things and had clothes from yardsales & ate hot dogs and mac and cheese and what vegetables were cheap like rutabaga (ugh). more sushi please

all of us college-educated white people with decent apartments and iPods and such are pretty much yuppies in a lot of people's eyes.
sure. I get bummed sometimes abt how much money and success I see around me here in posh northwest DC and then I think, uh, what is the percentage of people in this country who had the opportunity to get a college degree & then actually finished it? Not high

― dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

i think what nabisco was getting at is that you can purchase a cusinart at walmart these days.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

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