Heidegger - being and timeSartre - being and nothingnessWilliams james - varieties of religious experienceWittgenstein - tractatusRawls - a theory of justice
seem about right?
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer aka freedom williams sr (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer aka freedom williams sr (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)
Hmmm.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)
― friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)
my take, as a sort of tour of 20th cent continental philosophy, my five favorites or "best" would be way different.
Heidegger -- Being and TimeSartre -- Being and NothingnessLyotard -- The Postmodern ConditionAdorno and Horkheimer -- Dialectic of EnlightenmentHusserl -- Logical Investigations (maybe)
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)
plus i stuck with continental side and Witt strikes me as sort of peripheral to that tradition, at least outside of top 5.
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)
betrand russell - Principia Mathematicawittgenstien - tractatus / philosophical investigationswvo quine - Two Dogmas of Empiricism saul kripke - naming and necessitydavid lewis - Counterfactuals
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)
the tractatus is art
and derrida is sort of a troll..
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)
― sydz (sydz), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:23 (nineteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:26 (nineteen years ago)
― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)
PI over Tractatus any day.
But I haven't read enough to be qualified to answer this one.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)
You missed this shite:
http://images.bestwebbuys.com/muze/books/24/0517084724.jpg
― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Apple Juice (Apple Juice), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:21 (nineteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:22 (nineteen years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:26 (nineteen years ago)
lol
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (nineteen years ago)
I don't know that I'd necessarily argue that; certainly, some of them were, but they weren't just critical but more or less incredibly dismissive of Sartre's work (I'd argue that most French philosophy of this century is a response to either Heidegger or Plato). It's hard to find postmodernists (or really anyone) who take Sartre seriously. Even Heidegger considered Being and Nothingness a misreading of his own work. The real "importance" of Sartre, I'd think, would be the popularization of philosophy.
And as for a work of Derrida's, I'd think Grammatology is probably his most well-known and widely-read, and contains most of the themes that he would expand upon throughout his career.
But I'm a lit nerd, and I tend towards the "crit theory"/continental end of this spectrum.
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:34 (nineteen years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:43 (nineteen years ago)
― S- (sgh), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:19 (nineteen years ago)
true, but note they felt compelled to comment on it! everyone who wants to be anyone in french philosophy has to define themselves in relation to sartre.
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:37 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:39 (nineteen years ago)
― the killfire konspiracy (Haberdager), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 02:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)
― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 03:47 (nineteen years ago)
Maurice Blanchot- "The Infinite Conversation"Georges Bataille- Summa Atheologica: "Inner Experience", "Guilty", and "On Nietzsche"Alexandre Kojeve- "Introduction to the Reading of Hegel: Lectures on Phenomenology of Spirit"Antonio Gramsci- "Prision Notebooks"Simone de Beauvoir- The Second Sex"
Althoght I'm not well read in ananlytic theory, so this is a one sided list. I see these books as having importance in their actual influence, even if they aren't widely read.
― Jacob Sanders (LolVStein), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Latham Green (mike), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:20 (nineteen years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:22 (nineteen years ago)
i've only read the blue and brown books but i thought it was shit
Jacob Sanders more or less otm
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:00 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)
would also take:Levi Strauss: Raw and the CookedSontag: Against InterpertationPhillip Aries--Centuries of ChildhoodBlack Skin, White Masks--FanonJokes and their Relation to the Unconscious--Freud
(i am thinking of a huge slew of works by kristeva, butler, cixious, spivak, barthes, dyer, etc that are impt to me, but i am not sure are vital to the rest of the world)
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:38 (nineteen years ago)
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:00 (nineteen years ago)
― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:02 (nineteen years ago)
there are a lot on my list that are liminal, b/w philosophy and something else, that said, i think that one could make the arguement.
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)
― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Jacob Sanders (LolVStein), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)
I'm going to vote "no". Philosophy as an approach for answering, rather than for asking.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 January 2007 02:12 (nineteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 18 January 2007 03:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 18 January 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 18 January 2007 03:12 (nineteen years ago)
― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 18 January 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 18 January 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 18 January 2007 08:34 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:20 (nineteen years ago)
Also, I do an analytic philosophy course, but I'm willing to FITE anyone who claims that continental philosophy 'isn't philosophy'. (Although having said that I do think some of Anthony's choices are moving too far away from what philosophy is and into being dedicated sociologists/psychologists/lit-critics.)
― emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:11 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)
i didnt want to get into the analytic/contentintal fite, because i think that its a matter of what ever gets you thru the nite, and also there are works that are impt, etc that are neither (ie sontag or arendt)
the three that have caused the most trouble i guess are arendt, said, and sontag. i note arendt and her history/skill at reportage, but i think that she moves from there, and into some fairly important questions, that are philosophical in nature ie, how do we process evil now that the tecnocratic state has made it not a matter of theology but mechincal effiency, i also think how one gets to the question is vital, and if we are considering most important, where it went after that. with arendt, she went thru answering that question using the tools of western european philosophical tradition, in this way, her studies with Hedigger,Benjamin and Aron suggest she thot not in reportage or soc or even the theology she got her degree in, but in something different. (or to put it another way, i find something vital in how one can go from a new yorker assignment to a complete and total revival of kants ethics, and as for impt, maybe she wasnt the first person to do this, and i dont know if this is philosophy,but to take the topology of monster, and move it away from the things that go bump in the nite motives of the nazis, or the glamour of shiny jackboots, and talk about how its none of these things, its just there, doing its work)
said takes the entire history of europes realtionship to the east, and reverses it, so he talks about it not in terms of history, but histography, competing signs, ontological violence--i dont know how that isnt philosophy, he isnt talking about the history itself, but the compelteing narratives of signs that gird and destabilize the history at the same time.
sontag was trained asa philosopher, and she wrote: "what I have been writing is not criticism at all, strictly speaking, but case studies for an aesthetic, a theory of my own sensibility". i dont think that aesthetics can be contained by the kind of systematic approach that analyitics propose, and also i think that aesthetics is more universal than others--in the synthesizing of high/low, historical and current, etc, she finds an approach that threads thru what both sarte and barthes have to teach us.
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)
Jim Brown: KantGale Sayers: ???O.J. Simpson: Nietzsche (inarguably great yet divisive, crazy)
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)
― dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)
so the problem with a list of important 20th century philosophical works is made a problem because philosophy simply ceased to exist in a coherent form anymore sometime in the 20th century.
it's tough for people like me, still of a philosophical mind, because i want to suggest people like Lacan, Niklas Luhmann, Derrida are all philosophers even against their own wishes...but i dont think id insist on that coherence anymore at this point my intellectual life. (Id love it if i could think of myself as contributing to Peirce's idea of a convergence of knowledge at some point in the future, but that's too far off at this point, and it all seems to be going in the opposite direction.)
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)
Eh, tell it to Aristotle, right? Used to be, cutting up frogs might count as philosophy. But now it's just grubby science.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)
― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)
― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)
Derrida and Foucault are both more a method than an idea, and lack the Major Statement Chef d'Ouevre, which turns it into pick the one you want.
Sartre gets smaller and smaller the farther away you get.
Bourdieu might be an interesting dark horse in all this. Durkheim kinda misses the cutoff, but might be an interesting ringer as well, though of course I'm veering outside of philosophy proper.
Kuhn's a great call.
Wittgenstein OWNS.
― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 January 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 19 January 2007 09:57 (nineteen years ago)
― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 19 January 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)