Confederate Heroes Day - Dud or "JESUS! Why not just celebrate Usama Bin Laden day?"

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Tomorrow will be a skeleton crew day at work because somehow it's "fair and balanced" to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Confederate Heroes Day in the same week. Looking up more info on where and when this shit happens, I found the following at the website of the National Conference of State Legislatures:

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/pubs/102statl.htm

THE HOLIDAY THING
Wisconsin, the remaining state to not observe Veterans’ Day as an official paid holiday for state employees, will consider changing that this session. If enacted, Veterans’ Day would be elevated to that of New Year’s Day, the Fourth of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas as the sixth holiday observed every year in all 50 states. Memorial Day and Martin Luther King Day aren’t in that group because Louisiana skips Memorial Day and observes Martin Luther King Day every other year. Alabama, Mississippi and Texas observe Martin Luther King’s Day in conjunction with Robert E. Lee Day or Confederate Heroes Day. Virginia has a separate Lee-Stonewall Jackson Holiday. Columbus Day is celebrated in 27 states. Twenty-eight states combine Washington and Lincoln’s birthdays into Presidents’ Day; 12 celebrate Washington’s birthday as a distinct holiday; and eight observe Lincoln’s birthday separately.

So, there's a day off work - which I don't need or even want now anyway, thanks to the freeze keeping me idle for two days after MLK Day - but there's also celebrating a bunch of racist traitors. Sometimes I really hate living in the South. (lets save debates for whether Texas counts as the South for some other thread, plzk?)

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I have lived in Texas my entire life and never heard of this holiday.

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Not a state employee, then.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

WTF Texas, why this fascination with celebrating people who are the losers in their war/battle (see also the Alamo)?

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Probably the same thing that drives the "oppressed white straight Christian conservative male" impulse.

nate p. (natepatrin), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I don't get it either, and while I haven't lived here my whole life, I have lived here something like 2/3rds of it, plus my Dad is straight up Brownsville native 4th generation so it should be deep in my veins.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Geez. I could even understand if they had "Confederate Memorial Day" or something, but calling it "Confederate Heroes Day" and having it in conjunction with MLK - it doesn't get much more blatant than that.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the timing is something to do with Robert E Lee's birthday, but you just KNOW they searched around to find the closes match with MLK Day as they could. Especially since it was established as an 'alternative' afterward.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think it has something to do with the resurgence of the Stars & Bars flag during the civil rights era. I think Steve Gilliard wrote about this a few months ago when high-school kids in eastern kentucky were flying that flag and "celebrating their heritage" or somesuch, except for the fact that volunteers from eastern kentucky joined the union army.

However, once you get into the desegregation years, you get folks adopting this as a "fuck the gubmint" thing, which now comes down to us as a "yeahhh! I'm a rebel"/Ronnie Dobbs phenomenom.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, juxtaposing it with MLK is just weeeeeird.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Remember September 17, 1862.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

okay, here we go
One of the book's strengths is the light it sheds on the transformation of the Confederate battle flag from a symbol of a nineteenth-century war into a rallying point for opponents of mid-twentieth-century desegregation. Beginning with Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrats in 1948 and continuing through the days of George Wallace, the flag was "endowed ... with a more specific connotation of resistance to the civil rights movement and to racial integration" (p. 124). On this point, Coski believes the flag's defenders fail to realize the uses the flag has been put to, and how--with justification--it represents for many black Americans a symbol seeking restoration of Jim Crow and rolling back their gains...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

whoah, I just noticed how much my italic and bolding skillzors suck

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

A buddy of mine got into a fist fight at work a few years back after making fun of this guy calling the Civil War "the war of Northern aggression". He was living in Richmond, Virginia at the time.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it wasn't even the "confederate battle flag," but the battle flag of the army of northern virginia, ie. robert e. lee's battalion, but not representative of all the confederacy. robert e. lee was of course a union general pre-war (and the man who apprehended john brown at harper's ferry - fact!).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

(hstencil comes CORRECT re: history of the flag)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

(well, at least about their being a bunch of flags, dunno about Rbt E. Lee specifically)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

So it's on the same day as MLK Day? or there's 2 holidays in 1 week?

If it's the same day then that would be really fucked for obvious reasons.
If not then it's still not a coincidence they chose a day so close is it?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

In the world's most ineffectual gesture of protest, I've been listening to politically radical soul, funk, and rap all day.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

At last, someone is willing to take a stand.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Austin, my mother's been a state employee at various levels for the last 11 years and she's never heard of this either. Is it not really promoted in urban areas or waht?

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

In the world's most ineffectual gesture of protest, I've been listening to politically radical soul, funk, and rap all day.

Like black people don't want to rock!?

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

weird combos

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

it's always weird to see right-wingers who go on about liberal "traitors" suddenly turn around and celebrate the memory of a bunch of "heroes" who led an army against the united states and caused the deaths of more than half a million americans.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosteen - all I can say for sure is that it's on the calendar and that a lot of the office was out today.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

Is Jesus Day still on for June 6th (I think)?

patita (patita), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

...Jesus day?

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

Remember September 17, 1862.

Add, 'fuckers', and this is what I did every time I heard CNN Headline News talking heads from the Bush administration refer to 9/11 as the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the United States. The genocidal policy of the U.S. government against the native peoples of this continent aside, how could one give credence to any U.S. administration so conveniently draped in the flag of patriotism as to so falsify, or at least lack in honest to witness, to the bald facts of history?

I remember the controversy in 2002 regarding the desire of the Army to display the colors of the 28th Virginia at the National Museum of the United States Army when it opened in 2009. Minnesota refused to co-operate even though the flag was stamped as belonging to the War Department, a precursor to what the Truman administration would rename the Department of Defense. The Minnesota regiment that captured that flag, on July 3, 1863 on Cemetery Ridge, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, the 1st Minnesota Volunteers, suffered 80% casualties (the 28th Virginia, 90%) defending the Constitution of the United States of America. Regardless of how silly the legal arguments of Ventura's Minnesota were, even the U.S. Army recognized that, in the court of public opinion, they were beaten. I think about those blond haired kids of immigrants, or immigrants themselves, like I think of the men of the 20th Maine Volunteer Infantry Regiment, under Chamberlain, on July 2nd at Little Big Top, and as stupid as it may sound 144 years after the fact, for once I'm on the side of emotion instead of reason and I think, 'if the Feds or Virginia want it that much, let'em come and get it!' I do hope Minnesota has decided to curate it better.

I recognize the enormous effort that the men of the rebel states expended for their cause, but I persist in thinking it a criminal cause, well worth punishing even with armed force, and the sight of the Stars and Bars, as well as the battle flag still fills me with loathing, not out of hatred of the South but out of disgust for those who would pervert our constitution for the basest of personal material considerations, inexcusably, in this case, being other human beings, but the dead of Antietam, the site of the single largest one day casualties on American soil by enemies 'of our way of life' cancels the impulse, in me, to recognize their sacrifice publicly. You can commit as much persiflage as you want against the Reverend Mr. King, Jr., but his example is by so much farther important to us and redeems the blood of those who fell during the Civil War better than those who want to remember Confederate 'heroes'.

M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it wasn't even the "confederate battle flag," but the battle flag of the army of northern virginia, ie. robert e. lee's battalion, but not representative of all the confederacy.

I understand that the Confederate battle flag - the Southern Cross - was used by all CSA armies. Apparently they initially used the Confederate national flag - the Stars and Bars - but it looked too like the USA flag, with predictable consequences.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Buddy took this pic on a haul down south

http://pics.livejournal.com/leighton/pic/000kc302

kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/StarNBars13Stars.gif/250px-StarNBars13Stars.gif

the first confederate national flag - looks like one of those fake flags dudes make in iran when they want to burn and stomp on it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mai_1_1863_to_Mar_4_1865.svg/333px-Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mai_1_1863_to_Mar_4_1865.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mar_4_1865.svg/250px-Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mar_4_1865.svg.png

the second and third versions - the stripe was added so as to not be confused with a white flag of surrender when it was folded up lolz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 January 2007 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

I love the Franklin Mint-worthy official seal:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/ConfederateStatesofAmericaSeal.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

so...cotton balls, cotton wood, magnolia, tobacco, and... what else is on that thing?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

is that george washington?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was Deo Vindice, Italian War Hero of the Confederacy.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's Tony Soprano and Pie-O-My, isn't it?

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Tomorrow will be a skeleton crew day at work because somehow it's "fair and balanced" to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Confederate Heroes Day in the same week.

Incidentally, why don't they just call it Confederate Losers' Day?

Who won the war? (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

is that george washington?

As Southerners, men like Washington and Jefferson figured prominantly in Confederate iconography in an attempt to decouple loyalty to the Federal government from 'true' American patriotism.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

(Plus, conveniently, they were slaveholders.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

As it stands I am very happy with the Italian war hero idea.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

that horse's hind legs are all fucked up

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

'Cause of the manacles.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 January 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Georgia cool to slave apology, warm to Confederacy month

ATLANTA -- A panel of Georgia lawmakers signed off Thursday on a plan to create a Confederate heritage month, even as legislative leaders threw cold water on a push to apologize for the state's role in slavery.

Sen. Jeff Mullis' bill would dub April as Confederate History and Heritage Month to honor the memory of the Confederacy and ''all those millions of its citizens of various races and ethnic groups and religions who contributed in sundry and myriad ways to the cause of Southern Independence...'


Hmm. Using multicultural/diversity language to support a massively retrograde bill. Not bad.

kingfish, Friday, 23 March 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

...all those millions of citizens as well as those millions of non-citizens yet 3/5ths of a human beings...

Oilyrags, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

fuck this fucking state.

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

i read in a story the other day that it's ILLEGAL TO BURN A CONFEDERATE FLAG IN FLORIDA WTF

J.D., Friday, 23 March 2007 07:54 (eighteen years ago)

i would totally support making it illegal to burn the american flag if we made it MANDATORY to burn those fucking things

J.D., Friday, 23 March 2007 07:56 (eighteen years ago)

a long delayed explanation of Jesus Day
(apparently it was just the one day, not a recurring holiday).

patita, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

more fun

In January, the House passed a resolution, with no objections, proclaiming 2007 as the Year of Robert E. Lee, the general who commanded the Confederate forces.

Since 1995, 67 resolutions or bills have been introduced referring to Confederates, such as those commending the Sons of the Confederacy or allowing drivers to purchase commemorative license plates for their cars.

kingfish, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

totally missed this thread.

I am now, and have been many times in the past, a TX state employee and have never heard of, much less received time off for, any "holiday" such as Robert E. Lee or Confederate Heroes days. total bullshit.

Ms Misery, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

You gotta be in Georgia, i guess.

kingfish, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)


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