is jimmy carter an anti-semite?

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right wing smear campaign watch

and what (ooo), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

yes, lock thread

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119732

and what (ooo), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

this shouldn't even be seriously asked.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Jimmy Carter is not so much anti-Semite as anti-intellectual, not so much a Jew-hater as a boor.

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Israel /= Judaism or Jews

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh this one should end up good

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/4947_62.htm

^ fuck an adl

UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

WHO WANTS POPCORN?

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 19 January 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

rofl @ "good name of Israel"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

here's where i got capn save a moderate and say i've read some non-zionist-rapture-konspiracy type reviews of his book that were very critical of his presentation and conclusions, but i don't remember who/where the f they were at this point and i haven't read the book to judge, so forget it!

geoff (gcannon), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Dude on fresh air yesterday, mumbling about Jimmy Carter and "anti-jewish leftists", all the while talking about how he'd happily ally with american religious totalitarian-types to fight off muslim religious totalitarian-types.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/gallery/images/06.jpg

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of reasonable commentators have said that his book seems too sympathetic to Palestinian versions of history, which is a fair sort of criticism -- to brand that as somehow anti-Semitic by extension is a knee-jerk that always bugs me. (I mean, even if it were fair to speculate about hidden motive, the "secret" psychology behind most people who push the Palestinian cause is more "is inclined to side with oppressed peoples against government," not "obviously must hate Jews.")

xpost - yeah, reviews have found plenty of substantive stuff to pick on w/r/t his presentation of history and his interpretations of things. Substantive political matter-of-fact stuff, not accusations of anti-Semitism.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

ok, nabisco otm again, all is well! :D

UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

oops, the "he" in my post was referring to the author, not jimmy carter

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

if you want a psychological angle here, it's clearly the legacy one

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of Carter's legacy:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/19/mondale.cheney.ap/index.html

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

my jewish mother in law thinks this book is OTM

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i really wanna take a road trip up to athens to go to that carter thing at uga & see howard baker

and what (ooo), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

That bastard cost us the Panama Canal! I'll never forgive him for that.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Jimmy Carter with massive case of cranial rectosis non-shockah.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

The anti-semitism charge should just be thrown out - totally specious and deeply offensive.

Did anyone read that James Traub profile of Abe Foxman in the NYTimes Magazine?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

i did.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty good piece, I thought. Definitely shows what a political impact a single, driven, paranoid man can have.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:05 (eighteen years ago)

oh no! jimmy carter and alan dershowitz FITE @ brandeis university!! OH NO!!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:50 (eighteen years ago)

what's also sad re the linked story immediately upthread is just how low alan dershowitz has allowed himself to sink when it comes to "defending" israel. to think, i USED to consider dershowitz a "good guy." ;_;

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:51 (eighteen years ago)

Doucheowitz

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 20 January 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

First Bomb Carter; Then Nuke Iran!
The Israel Lobby Trips and Tilts

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Suppose the movers and shakers in the Israel lobby here -- Abe Foxman, Alan Dershowitz and the rest of the crew -- had simply decided to leave Jimmy Carter’s Palestine Peace Not Apartheid alone. How long before the book would have been gathering dust on the remainder shelves? Suppose even that Dershowitz had rounded up his unacknowledged co-authors in all their tens of thousands and sallied forth to buy up every copy of Carter’s book and toss each one into the Charles River, would not that have been a more successful suppressor than the blitzkrieg strategy they did adopt?

Of course it would. For weeks now the lobby has hurled its legions into battle against Carter. He has been stigmatized as an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, a patron of former concentration camp killers, a Christian madman, a pawn of the Arabs who “flatly condones mass murder” of Israeli Jews. (This last was from Murdoch’s New York Post editorial, relayed to its mailing list by the Zionist Organization of America.)

Any day now I expect some janitors at the Carter Center to resign, declaring that they can no longer in all conscience mop bathrooms that might have been used by the former President, their letter of protest duly front-paged by the New York Times, just like the famous fourteen members of the Carter Center’s Board of Councilors. Actually there were, at the time of resignations, 224 people on this board, where membership is mostly a thank you for a financial donation to the center. So the headlines could be saying, “Nearly 95 per cent of Carter Center Board Members Back Former President.”

But the assault on Carter is all to no avail. With each gust of abuse, Carter’s book soars higher and higher on the bestseller lists, reaching number 4 on Amazon itself. This doesn’t prove the lobby has no power. It proves the lobby can be dumb. Adroit lobbying consists in preventing unpleasing material reaching the light of day. Lobbying thrives in furtive darkness: slipping language into a bill at the last moment, threatening to back a campaign opponent, making quiet phone calls to the Polish embassy. Pressure is now being exerted on Farrar, Straus and Giroux to abandon its impending publication of Mearsheimer and Walt’s attack on the lobby.

The Israel lobby retains its grip inside the Beltway, but it’s starting to lose its hold on the broader public debate. Why? You can’t brutalize the Palestinian people in the full light of day, decade after decade, without claims that Israel is a light among the nations getting more than a few serious dents. In the old days, Mearsheimer and Walt’s tract would have been deep-sixed by the University of Chicago and the Kennedy School long before it reached its final draft, and Farrar, Straus and Giroux wouldn’t have considered offering a six-figure advance for it. Simon & Schuster would have told President Carter that his manuscript had run into insurmountable objections from a distinguished board of internal reviewers. But once a book by a former president with weighty humanitarian credentials makes it into bookstores, it’s hard to shoot it down with volleys of wild abuse.

The trouble with the lobby and the Christian zealots who act as its echo chamber is that they believe their own propaganda about Israel’s equitable social arrangements and immaculate political and legal record in its relations with the Palestinians. Use the word apartheid and they howl with indignation. The shock is about thirty years out of date. Israeli writers have used the word apartheid to describe arrangements in the occupied territories for years. Hundreds of prominent South African Jews issued a statement six years ago making the same link.

As in so many things, conventional elite opinion lives in a bubble, believing mere assertion and ranting about anti-Semitism will carry the day. The New York Times featured a spectacularly disingenuous hatchet job by its deputy foreign editor, Ethan Bronner, and another assault by former Clinton-era Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross. The latter rolled out the ritual accusations about Arafat’s rejection of Clinton’s proposals in December 2000, which is nonsense, as Ross surely knows. Clinton himself acknowledged in 2001 what later historians have substantiated, that both sides accepted his proposals in principle, while filing reservations. (Israel’s amounted to 20 single-spaced pages.)

The Times’ attacks were matched in the Washington Post by Jeffrey Goldberg, formerly of the IDF and a notorious trafficker in fictions, such as the supposed terror ties between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Amazon ran his vulgar ravings under the “Editorial Reviews” heading—a space usually reserved for short blurbs from Publishers Weekly and the like.

But if the lobby is fighting rearguard and increasingly futile actions to suppress all discussion here of what Israel is doing to Palestinians, it continues to exercise very serious clout in such enclaves of timidity as the U.S. Congress. Bush was not foolish in singling out Iran for threats in his January 10 address. The Democratic reaction to Bush’s escalation against Iraq and Iran has mostly been confined to nervous talk of “symbolic votes.” This temperate posture is surely not unconnected to the fact that the lobby’s prime foreign policy task, joined by Israeli hawks like Bibi Netanyahu, has been to rally support for an assault on Iran.

What an irony! Desperate for an end to the war, the voters hand Congress to the Democrats. Barely more than two months later Bush is kidnapping Iranian diplomats from in their consulate in Irbil, Iraq -- a calculated provocation arousing scant tumult here. Bush is also deploying a larger naval force to the Persian Gulf, as Israel plants stories about its possible recourse to nuclear weapons. Some provocation, maybe a seizure by the U.S. of an Iranian tanker, is easy to imagine in February. In the Congress, there’s barely a whimper out of the Democrats amid these terrifying prospects. It may have made a mess of its war against Carter’s book, but as a ferryman across the Styx toward Armageddon the lobby is doing a competent job.

and what (ooo), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

I think there may be a coming pendulum swing back in the other direction on criticism of Israel in this country. I think the current generation of Jews (a good portion of them, anyway) is a lot less likely to have "my country right or wrong" type feelings about Israel, and as the older generation dies off, that will have its impact on fundraising and media.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

I just got this in my e-mail from a lefty Jewish org called Tikkun:

Here are some links to analyses you may not find in your other sources of information on line or in the mainstream or alternative media. We recommend you read them. We at the Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP) have not forgotten that peace in the Middle East is central to building peace in the world. Naturally, as with all articles we send out or post, we don't necessarily agree with everything we send out—but we do think that the immense control that the right-wing Israel-can-do-no-wrong forces have over American media, and their ability to distort or suppress voices like that of Tikkun when it presents a more balanced pro-Israel AND pro-Palestine perspective, needs to be countered by giving our readers information that you might not get elsewhere.

Jimmy Carter: What My Book is Really About
Carter's book has been the occasion for an assault on him personally. ADL leader Foxman was reported to describe Carter as "a bigot" and rabbis from the Reform movement cancelled a trip to the Carter Center while Jewish members of a 200 member advisory board resigned—all in protest of Carter's book title "Palestine: Peace or Apartheid." As the interview with Carter in the Jan/Feb Tikkun issue makes clar, Carter was warning that in the West Bank Israel either had to make peace or it would be eventually establishing an apartheid reality, not claiming that Israel itself was an apartheid reality. But Carter's substantive analysis has been largely ignored as assailants attack on nit-picking details of his historical account. In this article, Carter explains the kind of discourse he had sought to develop (unfortunately not realizing that in the Jewish mainstream even the most liberal Jews often resort to attacking the legitimacy of the person raising questions about Israeli policy rather than dealing with the substance of those criticisms. That's how Tikkun got to be perceived as radical by many Jews who have never actually read our magazine or Rabbi Lerner's book Healing Israel/Palestine, which would have dispelled any claim that we are anything but moderate centrists who are both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, seeing both as having many legitimate points, and both acting in ways that are cruel and provocative.
Click here or copy this address and paste it in to whatever program you use to surf the internet:
http://tikkun.org/rabbilernerarticles/Document.2007-01-20.0856/document_view?portal_status_message=Document%20changes%20saved.

Apartheid in Israel? by Shulamit Aloni
Indeed, there IS Apartheid in Israel says former Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni, challenging the American Jewish establishment's ferocious assault on Jimmy Carter for having suggested that such a think might happen in the future in the West Bank. Please read this before thinking that Carter's fears are groundless. Then listen to the assaults on Carter from people in the organized Jewish community and decide what YOU think.
To access this article, please click here , or copy this address and paste it into whatever program you use to surf the internet. http://files.tikkun.org/current/article.php?story=20070105080344465

The Second Holocaust by Benny Morris
Iran may eventually take a decision to do a first nuclear strike against Israel—that's the worry that leads some Israelis to currently favor a "preemptive nuclear strike" against suspected nuclear targets in Iran. Benny Morris presents a scenario for how the worst fears of a "2nd Holocaust" could become real, in an article first published Jan. 6th in Die Zeit. Please read the accompanying Tikkun Editor's note to see how one could validate the fears but arrive at very different conclusions about what to do.
Click here or copy this address and paste it into whatever program you use to surf the internet http://tikkun.org/rabbilernerarticles/Document.2007-01-14.0304/document_view?portal_status_message=Document%20changes%20saved.


Israeli and Palestinian Peace Activists Strategizing Together by Uri Avnery
Veteran Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery reports on a recent meeting of
Israelis and Palestinians to strategize together about how best to build peace. Such meetings have not happened for a long time, and represent a significant sign of hope.
Click here or copy this address and past it into whatever program you use to surf the internet: http://tikkun.org/rabbilernerarticles/Document.2007-01-14.5834/document_view?portal_status_message=Document%20changes%20saved.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

A Benny Morris - classic or dud thread would be a laugh, given that he is widely disliked by the Right and Left, though for entirely different reasons.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/tour/gifts_of_state/images/portrait.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h874BPSnbWc

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.omegaletter.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/jimmy_carter_palestine_book_love_the_intifada_hate_israel.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/Jimmy%20Carter.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)

http://img.search.com/thumb/4/48/JimmyCarteronBicycle.jpg/200px-JimmyCarteronBicycle.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)

http://dererumnatura.us/archives/2009/07/24/mrjimmy.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/56500/Jimmy-Carter--56932.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.zclyw.com/2007/wp-content/uploads/121397.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

Okay there seems to be a little cottage industry based around the photoshopping of Jimmy Carter's face.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

"Jimmy Carter inspires great art"

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.neoconnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/when_carter_met_hamas1.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/0/06/Jimmy-carter.jpg

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

Jimmy looks great in curls.

Also: fuck him and his non-charm.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)


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