daerest britishes: wtf is up with honors system and the peerage?

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does anyone have a link to a comprehensive overview of the british honors system and the peerage? Wikipedia's aticles about the subject are clearly not written for a foreign audience!

What is difference between a hereditary peerage and a feudal title? I know the whole family of the peer is not ennobled and they don't have serfs.

Also wtf is the deal with the house of lords?

(Before you mock me, keep in mind that SOME BRITISH ILXORS don't understand eBay!)

― UART variations (ex machina), Sunday, 21 January 2007 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/a/r/J-H-Garner/PHOTO/0058photo.jpg

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 January 2007 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

that dog above is soooo faking the tough thing. or is that a goat?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 21 January 2007 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

That is a lion Rampant.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

I think he means the thing on top of the shield. Which looks realy like a dog until you consider the possibility that it may be a goat, at which point it becomes really like a goat.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

also "wtf is the deal with the House of Lords" - don't worry, we've all been asking that question for years.

Shall return with a better answer re differences once I've had some coffee and time to think, unless someone else beats me to it.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ah yes, I did not see the goat crest.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

I can't do honours at the moment. either, coffee and bacon must come first, but check out this recently granted coat of arms:

http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Butler.htm

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

and Lloyd Grossman's

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

Do goats have long curly tails?

― Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

That badger one is cool.

(I await Jon's "daerest Britishes: wtf is up with the way you describe shit on coats of arms" thread, which must surely be imminent)

I don't think goats have long curly tails, but then eagles tend not to have the body of a lion much either, so take nothing for granted in heraldry.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hahah I was about to ask wtf is up with the descriptions! Its a whole other language!

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I knew about some of it already, but wow.

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

Heraldry is largely about bad punning across latin, french and english it seems.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's about confusing teh enemy into submission. Confounding them with weirdly Britishes things until they run away with their heads hurting.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

There's some stuff on honours on the cabinet office site.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

Heraldry is largely about bad punning across latin, french and english it seems.

See: the arms of Sir George Martin, featuring golden beetles.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 21 January 2007 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

I presume the zebra is an oblique reference to the abbey road cover.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, also it's carrying a bishop's crozier = Abbey, yes?

(motto = "all you need is love")

Why only three beatles?

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 21 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

PAUL IS DEAD INNIT

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

What is difference between a hereditary peerage and a feudal title?

I didn't know there was one. Aren't they the same thing? If not, I guess a feudal title is associated with particular areas (of Britain) for historical reasons. Ah, sweet historical reasons.

Also wtf is the deal with the house of lords?

Think of it as The Senate but by appointment only. Hereditary peers are no longer allowed in. They're all life peers, senior judges and senior clergy, who are presumed to be wise and conscientious. Of course this is absolute nonsense, but the argument given not to change it ("better ideas" = not actually any better) holds just enough water to prevent the main two political parties from rocking the boat for now.

― caek (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

There are feudal titles which do not confer membership of the peerage (hereditary knighthoods etc.)

we still have 96 hereditary peers elected by the other hereditaries making it the most democratic section of the house of lords.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

we still have 96 hereditary peers elected by the other hereditaries making it the most democratic section of the house of lords.

Fuzzy logic? Or are they elected by all hereditaries, and not just those in parliament?

― caek (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

By all the hereditaries. There is about to be a by-election because one died.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Weller rejects CBE

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 21 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

There are feudal titles which do not confer membership of the peerage (hereditary knighthoods etc.)

we still have 96 hereditary peers elected by the other hereditaries making it the most democratic section of the house of lords.

Thanks and wow! I've been looking at this stuff hoping there's some weird legalistic loophole that I can jump through to get my family's titles restored to me. :/ I think there was some weird shit going on with them around the time of Resoration....

If I had to get a new coat of arms, I'd put the ORLY owl, a red panda and a cute sloth on it.

― UART variations (ex machina), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

You can get the college of arms to do a search for you but it will cost you, you may get a coat of arms out of it but you will have to give them a lot of genealogical information.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

If your family had a strong parliamentary leaning then they may have had titles, grants of arms etc. removed. You have got the skeleton of a regicide in the family cupboard have you?

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I have unbroken documentation going back to the Norman conquest in one branch. There was some mess about exile in Ireland after falling out of favor with some monarch -- I think, very briefly before the civil war?

― UART variations (ex machina), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I would be interesting to know what drove them over there, closet Catholicism, closet Presbyterianism or something else.

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Haha the George Martin one -- there's also a houseMARTIN with a RECORDER do you see???

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Sunday, 21 January 2007 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

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