Celebrity Big Brother 2007 Thread Three - We will all be poor Having had our say ... As the light goes out on the final day (s)

i'm glad i wasn't the only person to see that!

(only four so far?)

5th person = Cleo.

Jo will be Little Miss Contrite and will no doubt say the same things Jade said. I think she'll get an easier time than Jade despite being more racist (I'm kind of forgetting who did what but Jo was definitely Ain't Half Hot Mum Girl and No Wonder They're All Skinny Girl, wasn't she?)

It said "Don't look at me mate, I'm not your mate, mate!"

"so, jo. everyone says you're racist."

[cue clips of jo being vile]

"nah, i'm not a racist."

"oh, okay. a bully?

"nah, it's me nerves."

"hurrah! here's your best bits."

davina is a total bell-end, she really is.

and jo is just VILE. contrite? not a bit of it. she just doesn't fucking get it at all. regardless of how coached jade might have been, at least she genuinely looked shocked and upset; jo just shrugged it all off. she really has no idea how unpleasant she has looked; how unpleasant, by her own admission, she obviously is, as a "real" person.

what a fucking appalling creature.

i've gone right off her.

(not just because of the hair.)

i think she's a nasty, small-minded bigot ... and is too stupid to see it.

I have just gained some rather petty comfort by voting to have her appearance at G-A-Y cancelled.

http://www.g-a-y.co.uk/gossip_mb.asp

Dirk ftw, even though he's a grumpy bastard. His reasons for nominating himself were OTM and much better than any of the weak crap that others put forward. He has the self awareness to know and acknowledge his own problems and faults. His judgement of everyone else has been fairly OTM throughout too - though he was a little harsh on Cleo.

They showed that clp of them all watching Cleo trying to make BB laugh - comedy fucking gold right there. Jo's "best bit" of the whole show was her face while that was playing, like "Ok Cleo, I like you, but wtf is this shite?"

Fuck off and die, you small-minded little pain in the arse.

eh? she's an interviewer. (apparently.) conducting an interview, you don't just sit there and read the questions that were discussed in the pre-show meetings. you listen, you react, you challenge.

that's an absurd argument, trish; i'm sorry, but it is. i mean, michael parkinson/jonathan ross/jeremy paxman don't "write" the questions on their own. as with all these things, they sit in meetings with the production team and discuss the angle that's going to be taken. and, obviously, nobody knows in advance what the interviewee is going to say: that's why most interviewers, be they working for broadcast or print, are expected to, y'know, fucking handle the thing as it happens, listen to what's being said and ask appropriate questions as they go along.

"hello mr blair, it's simon here from the daily fuckbastard. thanks for agreeing to do a wee phone interview about your favourite type of cheese, for our 'my favourite cheese' slot. now, what's your favourite cheese?"

"er, edam."

"and do you prefer crackers or bread?"

"look, i can't contain the guilt any more. i knew there were no WMDs. we lied to everyone. i took the country to war under false pretences. i'm actually a six-foot lizard: david icke was right. and i'm holding in my hand a detonator that will destroy the whole world if i press it."

"er ... so do you like pickle or mustard?"

FFS.

sure, i imagine paxo and parky, being more experienced, have rather more input into things ... but FFS, davina's been doing this job for years now. you'd think she might have worked out that, if someone says something interesting/unbelievable/stupid, you can always go slightly "off-script" and challenge them.

your argument there seems to be "aw, you guys, davina's not a real interviewer. go easy on her." my argument is "davina's not a real interviewer; she's a fucking joke, and this whole thing is jaw-droppingly bad." not MUCH of a difference, at heart :)

Dirk or Ian for teh win.

I find it hilarious that you put her in the same category as "proper" interviewers, when to me she's more like Des O'Connor, who has a script and sticks to the script. Which he does not write.

Exactly. That's why I said "I really don't know why they persist with her" - that is a criticism of her employers.

(I don't think anyone's criticising Davina herself, more the execs who persist with someone so simpering and controversy-free in the face of increasingly fraught confrontations that demand more in the way of questioning. I said it last year, I'd much rather promote Russell Brand to the main show)

Or Dermot.

My problem with the complaints about the main show's interviews, I guess, are that they seem to me to imply that if only Davina was a better interviewer, the questions would be harder hitting and the show would be better all round. My point about "you know she doesn't write the questions" was more that the style of the interview has nothing to do with her. It is the way they want the show to be. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have let her keep doing it for seven years. I don't know why they want it that way, but they clearly do.

"I'd love to launch a new comedy show with really wacky characters, like a cross between Little Britain and Catherine Tate. I think the time is right for something new," Cleo told the Daily Star last night.

"The characters I brought in with me - like Tiara the Tart and Dorothy Montgomery the biscuit tycoon's wife - were done deliberately because I was hoping there was a producer out there looking for new ideas."

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH. Anna are you still emotionally invested in Cleo? Can't I suggest a nice ISA in Dirk instead? As I might have to punch her if this ever gets further than page 9 of the Star...

I think I like Dirk more now than I did when I used to fancy him when he was in the A Team and have his picture on my bedroom wall.

Winner?
Who do you want to WIN Celebrity Big Brother 5?


Danielle Lloyd 3%
Dirk Benedict 17%
Ian 'H' Watkins 6%
Jack Tweed 3%
Jermaine Jackson 21%
Shilpa Shetty 50%

Some people actually are voting for Jack! 'part from that, no great surprises.

yes, good point.

I don't think anyone's criticising Davina herself

i am; i think she's a knob. i do hold her responsible for her own imbecilic "interview" style; but yeh, she's not the only one to blame for the entire farrago.

wrt cleo/sketch show: o lord, no. please, no.

i mean: did she really fail to notice that her housemates ALL thought her characters were shit? did that not set an alarm bell ringing?

We are in agreement. However, share the blame.

Having watched last night's show, I'm amused by C4 trying to edit Dirk/Shilpa/Cleo to look like a love triangle, right at the last minute.

http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds12157.html

Headache for tomorrow night = compiling Jack's best bits. Scarcity of other stuff means we're going to see his diary-room knob-wiggling again, aren't we?

One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of
Battlestar Galactica everything is female driven. The male
characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak, and wracked with
indecision while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as
hell, puffing cigars (gasp) and not about to take it any more.

But to her it is a trivial situation. In the grand scheme of things (getting her career restarted), what three stupid bitches who she never has to see again say about her is of little or no consequence.

(Actually I reckon they were Dirk fans. Not that I'm saying all d...)

HEY!

i dont think it was that trivial to her. those sorts of insults still sting, regardless of anyone's careerism. she just handled it in a very old-school-immigrant way which i dont particularly care to see anymore. and i say that as a 2nd gen immigrant.

thats what really annoyed me.

Clarkson on Top Gear called Jade a 'racist, pig-faced scumbag' or words to that effect and got only slightly less applause from the audience than the ovation for rebuilt Richard Hammond.

She's not an immigrant (yet)

She just won big brother via a popular vote!

She was in a spectacularly good mood, who wouldn't be.

The 'row' is some godawful small affair that happened last week!

Right that moment, she probably could not care less about it. Maybe next week she might be a bit bothered about it. But not enough that she has to look back at it. It's resolved, and the possibilities are big.

(I am not saying it was her fault, btw)

but shes basically viewed as one or as a 'foreigner'. thats part of the reason she was probably paid to go in there. they knew it would provoke a few reactions.

true enough@acccent monkey & vita

wikipedia has her down for 5 films in 2007. if that's 'slowing down' then... (only 1 in 2006 though, i notice. and plenty of scandal). her agent on cbblb was all about 'new film with (top american star)' every time he spoke.

haven't watched yesterday's show yet (quatermass and the zombies won)

i didnt realise people were booing her, that might be why she was so nervous during the interview. i think she took the safe option just cos she didnt want to offend anyone and was perhaps made to feel it was her fault. plus of course, being magnanimous is rarely a bad look. anyway, i voted for her five times so im glad she won. she looked great in her exit outfit too. it was funny watching russel brand looking a bit sheepish/feeling a bit of a nob whilst doing his dicksacks routine just after shilpa arrived on CBBBM.

Yes, Davina congratulated her on her magnaniniminousnessnessyimitty.

As for Cleo on CBBBM: still going on and on and on about Dirk, ffs woman he turned you down get over it.

I read a few articles and she does seem very popular, though she herself has admitted that at times people see "glamourous" before they see "actress" because she hasn't had a lot of meaty roles.

how do you think she should have handled it?

However I saw a clip of what appeared to be BBBM on gmtv news this morning and Shilpa was hugging Danielle ...... did she join the BBBM slebs later on? I are confused.

CJ, danielle, jo and jade werent on CBBBM so i doubt that...

Also re the BBLB thing, WTF are The Sun on about "Jade Goody was said to be present when it was sung" - does being in the presence of a racist make you racist by osmosis or something? I realise that Jade is lots of things, but I think the insinuation that this was someone else but JADE WAS THERE OH NOES HANG HER is kind of not helping much.

Jade contrition in Heat this week was kind of impressive, but I am fucked if I'm trying to work out what was genuine, what is spin and what is just bollocks. I do still think the rest of them are getting away with it since Jade is a popular and easy scapegoat.

i thought that was just insinuating that Jade's bf did it.

WHY AREN'T THE POLICE INVESTIGATING THIS INSTEAD OF CASH FOR HONOURS

why awful? she's distressed sure, but she's also holding down denial, self-pity, victim mentality etc - it's all the flip sides of a bully

the tears and the anxiety well, she's on the receiving end of a royal monstering, behave like an ass on a nationally televised popularity contest and this is what you get...