Tier 1 world cities

what about Seoul?

you didn't answer about Seoul! i thought of other possibilites, but you seemed to have them all. Seoul was the only one i didn't dismiss myself, but i'm not really sure

what are the... criteria for this?

it reminds me a tiny bit of when Bonn was the capital of west germany, although obviously dc is a city in the way bonn isn't.

The Randstan is the ring of interconnected key dutch cities; Amsterdam, Den Haag, Rotterdam Utrecht and a whole bunch of little places.

kudos

It's never been under Anglophone control tho

also: curious about where the nairobis and lagos's of the world will be in oh twenty years.

probably the same place tbh

lagos will presumably still be a huge fucking mess but will have a dozen (mostly oil) billionaires so will get some respect from forbes magazine

it's always weird to see which u.s. cities have these massive populations nowadays b/c some of them just don't register on the radar as major cities or destinations at all.

when the huge motherfucking global influence of silicon valley is factored in as it should be the bay rivals la as #2 us city - chicago got nothing like hollywood or the internet, get thee to tier three, go trade some pork bellies w/seattle or whatever

the massive population thing is usually just a matter of how the urban area is defined

like, the 'biggest cites list' always looks strange, but this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas looks pretty reasonable

tier 1 third world city

^^^more like pier 1 city

who gives a shit what people think not me I'm hungry

so Foreign Policy has it like this:

Rank 2012
1 New York City 6.35
2 London 5.79
3 Paris 5.48
4 Tokyo 4.99
5 Hong Kong 4.56
6 Los Angeles 3.94
7 Chicago 3.66
8 Seoul 3.41
9 Brussels 3.33
10 Washington, D.C. 3.22
11 Singapore 3.20
12 Sydney 3.13
13 Vienna 3.11
14 Beijing 3.05
15 Boston 2.94
16 Toronto 2.92
17 San Francisco 2.89
18 Madrid 2.80
19 Moscow 2.77
20 Berlin

these lists are always stupid but if forbes or foreign policy do another stupid world cities / highest standard of living / most powerful person listicle then i am probably going to click anyway, so they win

http://www.pwc.com/us/en/industry/entertainment-media/publications/consumer-intelligence-series/assets/pwc-citiesarepowerful.pdf

This list comes completely unglued after about #15 imo

1. London
2. Paris
3. New York
4. Amsterdam
5. Sydney
6. Berlin
7. Tokyo
8. Toronto
9. Stockholm
10. Los Angeles
11. San Francisco
12. Dubai
13. Milan
14. Madrid
15. Chicago
16. Hong Kong
17. Singapore
18. Beijing
19. Seoul
20. Rio
21. Shanghai
22. Moscow
23. Johannesburg
24. Kuala Lumpur
25. Mexico City
26. São Paulo
27. Mumbai
28. Jakarta
29. Bogotá
30. Lagos

Oh actually the selection was fixed - that makes more sense

We surveyed a group of 5,200 people from 16 countries, consisting of an equal number of business decision makers, informed elites, and other general population adults over 18 years of age, to find out what and how they think about 30 global cities, the same group researched in PwC’s
Cities of Opportunity.

Gutted that Munich isn't fourth.

Yours is the perceptual list, tombot. This is the "actual" list:

1. London
2. Singapore
3. Toronto
4. Paris
5. Amsterdam
6. New York
7. Stockholm
8. San Francisco
9. Hong Kong
10. Sydney
11. Seoul
12. Berlin
13. Los Angeles
14. Chicago
15. Tokyo
16. Madrid
17. Dubai
18. Milan
19. Beijing
20. Kuala Lumpur
21. Shanghai
22. Moscow
23. Mexico City
24. Johannesburg
25. São Paulo
26. Bogotá
27. Rio
28. Jakarta
29. Mumbai
30. Lagos

business decision makers, informed elites, and other general population adults over 18 years of age

not quite enough options for a poll, but still. who are the uninformed elites and what do they think? what criteria do these business decision makers use and do we need a thread about capitalist paradises?

The business decision makers aren't the ones saying Singapore is the second best city in the world, tbf. The 'objective' rankings are even less human.

saints preserve me from ever being part of an informed elite

"informed elite" just makes me think of ZS's "these terrible people they rule us" threads

these lists are always stupid but if forbes or foreign policy do another stupid world cities / highest standard of living / most powerful person listicle then i am probably going to click anyway, so they win

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:55 AM

otm as per usual

I don't know anyone who's been to Singapore and hasn't viewed it as fundamentally over-sanitised and a bit dull after more than a few days.

tell me about São Paulo

largest city in the americas and the souther hemisphere

is it still culturally top-tier?

New York, not Paris, is the city this question should really be about

Stockholm is bafflingly high in these.

Hmm:

These are the cities “winning” on key dimensions

Stockholm

-Cares about the environment
-Cares about human rights
-Educated population
-Income equality
-Transparent business practices
-Trustworthy
-Well developed public education system
-Well developed public health system

Los Angeles

- Access to great entertainment
- Good internet accessibility

Amsterdam

-Fun

these rankings are so foreign to my experience and remind me of airports when I just want to buy a magazine, all magazines are bad, and I get MONOCLE and it's all really soft color photos and rankings of cities in every issue. very calming to sit on plane and contemplate how "business chill" some finnish fishing village is

like i'd get esquire or w/e for the 1.5 longform interesting articles but instead I just put one of those longform article apps on ipad and it grabs all the most interesting ones for me lol

but the soft color global pictures look nice on matte paper

Presumably the (apparently) undisputed position of London in the #1 spot won't be the case for much longer.

Amsterdam winning merely in the "fun" department is both sad lol and completely otfm

lol

la may have "access" to internet but it surely has one of the slowest internet speeds in the us

not to mention the few isp choices

top arsehole magnets 2016

dammit, can't believe phoenix didn't make the list, guess i'll have to move

I just thought it was funny they left out DC. Not chill at all! Not as business friendly as they'd have you think! It's all nerds and spies and the administrators who manage the nerd-spy program!

can you expand eephus

FWIW, I really liked DC when I was there. With its broad, pedestrian-friendly streets and low buildings it felt more cosy than the other two big US cities I've been to (NY and Philly). Plus all the awesome free Smithsonian museums and the zoo! That didn't feel very American/capitalist to me, that you don't have to pay anything.

There was one big street near our hotel, a bit away from the centre, which had loads of nightclubs and music joints, a record store or two, and an Ethiopian restaurant where we ate. Can't remember its name, but that was a nice area to spend your night in.

can you expand eephus

Just feel like I grew up in a world (let's say in the 1980s) where New York was very much at the cultural center of things, not just in the US, but in the world. Like, if you cared about a writer that's where you'd expect them to be unless you had some reason to know otherwise. It doesn't feel that way to me anymore, though I don't really have facts and figures. With respect to writers this might just be reflecting the fact that literary fiction and poetry have gotten so much less commercial that the writers are now all professors in order to live, so they live wherever the universities are, which is everywhere. But even successful critically-liked genre writers, where do they live? Where does Charles Stross live? Where does Fifty Shades writer live? Where does Lev Grossman live? (OK, Lev Grossman actually does live in New York, that one I know.) The people we all follow on Twitter, where do they live? Does Mallory Ortberg live in New York? I mean, it's totally possible that she does, the point is that one doesn't have any sense that she does, she just lives on Twitter. Where does Ta-Nehisi Coates live? (Wait, I think I know this one, actually, he lives in DC I think?)

I grew up in a world (let's say in the 1980s) where New York was very much at the cultural center of things, not just in the US

tbf this has always been an opinion of people in NY to the point where the self-regarding loop of the nytimes as "the paper of record" has mostly been true because NYers considered it such, and there were enough people in the city alone that bought into that it had a bit of cultural hegemony, and so it was

not sure if genre writers is a good example (I mean, Steven King and most of the other best-selling writers of the period never lived in NYC but I can almost guarantee their agents and publishing houses were based there)

can someone make a video game out of that list, that would be fun

The Ruhrgebit is the aglomeration of cities in northwest germany including Köln, Dortmund, Essen, Duisberg and Wuppertal.

Coates lives in Paris now I think, but was NY-based before that

Ortberg is Californian IIRC. TNC summers in Paris but he's still NYC

Anyway I kinda can buy eephus' pitch

HEYO

xpost Coates was about to buy a brownstone in a neighborhood in brooklyn. then the ny post got a hold of the story and he backed out.

"Last week, the New York Post, and several other publications, reported on the purchase. They ran pictures of the house. They named my wife. They photoshopped me in the kitchen. They talked to the seller’s broker. The seller’s broker told them when we’d be moving in. The seller’s broker speculated on our plans for renovation. They rummaged through my kid’s Instagram account. They published my home address.

...Within a day of seeing these articles, my wife and I knew that we could never live in Prospect-Lefferts Garden, that we could never go back home. If anything happened to either of us, if anything happened to our son, we’d never forgive ourselves."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/on-homecomings/481818/

What the fuck. I missed that. What the fuck. Needs to be an update on the TNC thread. What the hell, people. That makes me really upset.

Man... I'd missd that. That breaks my heart. Xp

So yeah what tombot said...

Re: LA internet access, I was surprised to read this, because how do all these LA / SD area Twitch streamers (and instagrammers, youtubers, etc) do it, then?
Although if you're everybody else trying to just download a damn movie, I may have just answered my own question. Next time I see one of those smart people from the carrier / ISP world I'll ask if SoCal soaks up new capacity more than elsewhere