How Jesus Jones will destroy Hillary Clinton

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The NRO has its finger on the pulse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

I almost think I'd rather have Dubya lead the world to armageddon than have to listen to four years of those fucking nutcases go off on Hillary (or, in fact, ANY Democrat)...

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

I feel so much dumber for having read that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I had to share the pain.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

i thought this would have something to do with padded bras.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

It may sound like danceable synthesizer fluff, but — shamefully for Western civilization — “Right Here, Right Now,” released in 1990, was the only prominent rock song to properly celebrate the collapse of European Communism.

HOW SOON WE FORGET

Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

But was "Winds of Change" celebrating it "properly", Tom? Only Todd Seaver can answer that question.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Duran Duran, a self-consciously libertarian band (they dedicated their album Liberty to Ayn Rand)

That was news to me at least. (If true.)

ledge (ledge), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.acsh.org/images/hfaf_illus_about.gif

Seriously, that's the caricature of Seaver here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

C'mon, flower children, it's true. It's interesting that a song that celebrates the death of communism (as IF!) is being used by someone who so strongly favors socialized medicine.

But, fuck, I HATE that song, so, you know, perfect fit.

Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

an anti-Communist symbol almost as precious as Thatcher !!!!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Communism as practiced by the Soviet Union /= socialized medicine.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

How about the covertly Marxist yet thoroughly fluffy Top 40 band Scritti Politti, who sang “[I’ve got a] Perfect Way” — and who probably do think that one perfect, centralized health care plan is exactly the way to go? Why not use that pro-wealth-distribution song “Hunger Strike” that Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder sang back in the ’90s?

WHY NOT INDEED.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

I quite agree. Tee-hee! No, really, Hillary, USE that song! Better yet, why not something by Rage Against The Machine, Naked Aggression, or Crass? Pretty pretty please??

Free For All (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

My campaign song would totally be "Mutiny in Heaven." That'd be BAD FUCKING ASS!

Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Roger the details of Hilary Clinton's healthcare policies are of sublime irrelevance to me, I'm mostly laughing over the po-faced iconisation of a risible old indie-dance record by Jesus Jones.

(Also "Winds Of Change" is better!)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

Jesus Jones swipe at Tracy Chapman = teh TOFLZ

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that dig at Tracy was news to me.

Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

twas only recently i realised that mike edward is taking the piss outta prince where he does that 'siiiiiign of the times' thing in the song.

pisces (piscesx), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, where's the Scorpions?! They DIED for our sins!

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

America’s latter-day version of a Fabian socialist, Hillary Clinton

I would get medieval on this idiot's ass

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

Who knew Jesus Jones were so catty and ornery? Next thing you'll be telling me The Escape Club were all members of the Earth Liberation Front

Dr Morbius - why? Support her if you like, but she's not far off.

Gimme Gimme Wild West (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/6/1/9/0/510916_356x237.jpg

compare & contrast with

http://www.onlinebowline.rockers.co.uk/covers/gordona.jpg

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

That was actually fairly funny!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

It contains a joke in which Hillary Clinton mentions PWEI!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

also due for a comeback

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

GGWW, Dwight Eisenhower was closer to a Fabian socialist than Hil has been for the last 20 years.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

holy shnikeys

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

xxxx-post

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

(ie she's a scummy New Democrat with no discernible beliefs other than Elections Must Be Won)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

PWEI

Paul Wagemann Edward Island?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

its a rich right-wing tradition to throw around accusations of socialist/communist without any regard for accurate terminology or actual history

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere
the treasured inheritance of free people everywhere

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://boifromtroy.com/archives/fight%20on%20iraqis.jpg
omg i love jesus jones!! that song means so much to me!!1

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

Will the KLF be going to rock us?

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.cap-lmu.de/images/2004/2004_ukraine_12_400.jpg
JE SUS JONES. JE SUS JONES. JE SUS JONES. JE SUS JONES.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

THANK YOU PEOPLE FOR DOING MY EMP WORK FOR ME! YOU FOOLS! AHAAHAHAHA!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

Actually y'all aren't making fun of his Fixx fascination, I'm disappointed.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

there's so much to make fun of in that article, i think everyone just got tired

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

The sad thing is that this is one or two or three least stupid things I've ever seen the NR publish on rock music.

The most stupid are just...indescribable.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

And somehow there wasn't a link for that last line.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

the one about marillion was...memorable

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Or the last one. Shit:

http://blogs.citypages.com/ctg/2006/06/annals_of_conse.asp

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

He should change his 'do to the shaved-sides/long-dreads combo as a show of support.

xpost

yeah, we've had more than a few threads on NRO rockcrit genius

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

I may regret this:

National Review, November 11, 1977

"Pistol-Whipped" - Edward Meadows

God save the Queen
A fascist regime
God save the Queen
Made you a moron
God save the Queen
She ain't no human being
And there's no future
And England's dreaming
--"God Save the Queen,"
The Sex Pistols

The Sex Pistols' "God Save the Queen," which is the national anthem of British New Wave rock circa 1977, hasn't got a single filthy word in it. Yet the record's banned on all the radio stations and barred from every retail store. The Sex Pistols are prohibited from performing in England (they're exiled to Amsterdam). Still "God Save the Queen" is in the top five on the hit lists, and Labor Party MPs stand foaming at the mouth, swearing to "destroy New Wave before it destroys the nation."

But the wimpy MPs have got it backwards, any New Wave punk will tell you. It's the bleedin' Labor Party that's destroying the nation. New Wave rock music is music of working-class rage--at the empty promises of the welfare state, at the eternal dole and the double-digit inflation and the double-digit unemployment, all of which leaves working-class Brits holding the empty bag. It's easy to sing of peace and love when you're pulling down $100,000 a night on tour. It's fun to play the dirty hippy when you know all the time you can shave off the hair tomorrow and go to work in pa's law firm. Peace and love? The New Wave answers back with a song of its own, titled "Hate and War."

New Wave, descended from New York punk rock, is just now blossoming in England. The music scene is fresh, exciting, a renaissance to recall the rock explosion of the Sixties. But New Wave is the very antithesis of the now jaded and faded Progressive rock--the Beatles, the Stones, and all that. New Wave is best described as industrial strength hard rock--the hardest of hard rock, mean, no frills, four-chord rock, amplified till it burns your ears off. New Wave musicians and their fans don't go for kinky sex, nor any bleating whiny protest lyrics, nor any hokey drugged mysticism. They go right for the jugular. The music is charged with the energy of depraved political anger. And the fashion is to be as utterly unfashionable as one can be. New Wave kids stroll along King's Road wearing short hair, heavy black eye make-up, razor-blade earrings, and tee-shirts that say, "Hitler Was a Punk Rocker." The more devoted fans wear swastika pendants and safety pins through their cheeks.

The anti-chic of New Wave finds clearest expression in the vicious, snarling song lyrics, in the nasty satires New Wave bands do of "rich-kid" hippy rock, even in the names of the groups. There's The Clash and The Damned and The Adverts and The Stranglers and The Unwanted and The Stiffs. The short-haired, trashily dressed anti-stars of these groups go by such names as Johnny Rotten (lead singer for The Sex Pistols), Richard Hell, Rat Scabies. And Gloria Steinem would be appalled. New Wave bands are aggressively chauvinistic toward women; female New Wavers don't do much for the cause, either. The hottest all-girl New Wave band goes by the name of The Slits. Another all-female group calls itself Snatch. And if any fur-lined radical-chic fat-cat rock critic for Rolling Stone magazine should leave the safety of his chauffered Rolls to enter a New Wave rock club and survey the scene, he's likely to get laid out quick. In the words of one New Wave fanatic, "If there's one thing that makes me take up arms, it's bored rich-kids treating my life as this week's trend."

Of all the New Wave bands, only The Jam has yet officially aligned itself with the Conservative Party. But most of the groups lean toward the (Neo-Nazi) National Front. This, of course, is just too awfully embarrassing for the trend-setters who'd love to neatly package New Wave and hawk it in the U.S.A. They lust to rip New Wave off, turn it into a trend, commercialize it, use it up, and make a killing in the process. But right-wing rock is utter blasphemy to your average cocaine-sniffing Manhattan-posh rock writer. He can't handle it, so he dismisses it as a passing fad, or he ignores it altogether. However, money is to be made, and every American record company has its scouts in every London punk club, searching for New Wave acts to sign.

And the vultures follow the jackals: pop psychologists are crawling out of the woodwork to "explain" this terribly sick, sick New Wave movement. A Harvard sociologist is already skulking among London's New Wavers, interviewing the poor dears for a trendy new book, which will doubtless decry the sad failure of these angry kids to see and understand the fruits of state socialism. But the kids see and they understand. When you finish school and can't get a job so you have to live at home with your parents and go on the dole, when you haven't got a hope of any future at all, then you're backed up against the wall. And if you're young and ripe, you're not about to keep quiet, to maintain the stiff upper lip of your frightened parents, as Britain goes down the bleedin' toilet.

Actually the New Wave movement could be a healthy development, a purgative for the self-delusion of British life. The time for decorum may be past, and the punk kids have thrown British reserve to the winds. Why should you stand around being subserviently decent when your nation is dying and your future is dying with it? What better time to point the angry finger to offend those who, in the name of propriety, acquiesce in the political and economic failure of a nation? If the working-class, out-of-work youth weren't spending their energy on their hard new music, they'd be venting it in more vile ways. Music is their only voice. And, as the rock of the Sxties did for its generation, New Wave gives these kids, the damned, something their own, a sense of community, of shared adversity. There's something touching about it all.

It's not likely that New Wave will sweep America. For, despite all the bland denials of appalled American rock critics, New Wave is, at base, right-wing political protest. And American kids haven't got so much to protest about: unemployment and inflation are worrisome problems here in the States, but nothing like the British disaster, and not nearly so directly traceable to the bankrupt policies of state socialism. No, the New Wave is born and bred of rage against the Labor Party, the Board of trade, the unions, and lonh-haired hippy-dippy-chic rich-kid poseurs who don't have to worry because they've got it made. Peace and love? Hate and war! It's not pretty, but then it's not meant to be.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

(Can we maybe de-index this thread or something?)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

i demand that the next administration somehow make itself 'featuring twista'
-- trife (...), September 9th, 2003 10:15 PM. (simon_tr)

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

I just realized that we're as far away now from "Right Here Right Now" being a hit as "Don't Stop" was when Bill started using it when he first ran for president (back when "Right Here Right Now" was a hit!)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

time move faster now, so we're not quite as "far"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

no shit time move faster now prom night seem like just other day!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

pleasant plain score on prom nite? me no score on prom night, me take bonobo cousin

tarzan in congo (nabisco), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

tarzan lucky! take word, stay away from arranged marriage, big problem

frankenstein in east anglia (nabisco), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

fire bad

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone's forgotten Bill already used "Right Here Right Now" his go around, then? If only for about 5 minutes before he got the Fleetwood Mac out of his K-Tel record vault.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

i wish that hillary would use "mama said knock you out" -- just like i wish that obama would use "so fresh, so clean."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

"Rock'n'roll Nigger" would prolly be a suitable choice for Hillary, imho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

(i wonder if this NR fellow has ever heard of stereolab?!?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder how many times some Iowa soundman will mess up and put on Van Hagar's "Right Now" instead.

Not that it will make one bit of difference at all.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

that wouldn't be the only element of Bush '04 she's stealing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.thewrongelement.com/images/logoBIG.gif

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

Of all the New Wave bands, only The Jam has yet officially aligned itself with the Conservative Party.

"These pro-Empire sentiments and ostentatious displays of the Union Jack began to earn the group the tag of "Conservative". Weller's announcement that The Jam intended to vote for the Conservative Party in the upcoming General Election served to confirm this association. It would later cause them much embarrassment and dog them throughout their career."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jam

I didn't know that!

J (Jay), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.npr.org/news/images/2004/sep/20/reuters/bush140.jpg http://imgsrv.1010wins.com/image/DbGraphic/200701/439538.jpg

it's "Ask President Clinton"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

speaking as someone who hates communism and is "eh" on clinton as a policy-maker, anyone who thinks she's a socialist of any stripe is a complete and absolute idiot.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

"cool rock song"?

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 08:54 (eighteen years ago)

all i can say is carmody could write something a thousand times better.

maybe hilary got into jj after seeing them at a corporate gig?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

C'mon, flower children, it's true. It's interesting that a song that celebrates the death of communism (as IF!) is being used by someone who so strongly favors socialized medicine.

Socailized medicine doesn't equal communism. Like not even a little bit.

Healthy dude from Canada. (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

apparently it does in america.

because they* are stupid.


*the people that think this, not all americans

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Why are you arguing with that dude? Homeslice is obviously going to equate any kind of left-leaning govt. program with communism.

"As if" and "it's interesting that" are what I like to call "asshat rhetorical devices".

Who wants to argue with an asshat?

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

The Daily show had a bit where Hillary walked on stage to "Milkshake" by Kelis. Awesome.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Jesus Christ Superstar" as Obama's themesong also chuckleworthy

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

She was the first female "Fabian socialist" on the board of Wal-Mart:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Who am I? Where am I? Why do I feel this way? might also work.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)


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