TiTTWIS 43: Where Y'All At?

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It's been long enough and we're in a new place, so why the hell not?

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

This is the Thread Where I Say that I'm going to make cupcakes this afternoon. These are not only birthday cupcakes (for me), but also a last, desperate bid to get warm.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Happy birthday! (Um, is it today?)

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you! Nope; it was yesterday. I went out to dinner with an old friend and he didn't even know. Also I had to go to a physiology class. It was the most low key birthday ever!

Tonight I am doing cupcakes and presents with my husband and kids.

I think the most exciting thing that happened yesterday was my sister and Mom both calling me.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

(I should add that it's probably good that it was low key because I have not yet recovered from Christmas!)

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

Sara, happy belated!

― molly mummenschanz (mollyd), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you! I would certainly feed you all cupcakes if you were here. (And if you were able to withstand the temperature. Ugh, I have to go out in it to pick my son up soon - at least it is Friday...)

What is everyone else up to? (Friday afternoon slacking off? Please tell me it is warm where you are!)

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

yay Luna starting a new thread!

feliz cumpleanos Sara! Glad it was decent one. I want a cupcake. :(

I played hooky today. pretty awesome. So far I've stitched eyes & nose on the teddy bear I'm making, watched some craft shows, walked the dogs and now I'm eating mango sorbet and getting ready to finish the bear.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

I should probably be working on encyclopedia stuff but am novel-writing instead, whenever the cat gives me elbow room to do so.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I'd played hooky - it's so damned boring here today, I don't know what to do with myself. All the lawyers are gone except one, and it's just us chickens hanging out.

It's warmish here, Sara - about 63 and hazy. (I say 'warmish' because anytime the temp dips below 70, people get out their coats. WTF?)

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

Happy belated b-day, Sara!

I'm gearing up to have a ~~raucous and debauched~~ quiet evening since I have to putain de merde d'enculé de chiasse work tomorrow.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Wow Sam - that's pretty productive for playing hooky! I have never made a teddy bear.

I meant to study some today, but I haven't even managed that...

MMMM mango sorbet. (Except that is cold, too!) But it would go with chocolate cupcakes!

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

It is 5 degrees F in Northfield; I'm about to go out into it!

(and thank you all for the birthday wishes!)

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

It's easy to say sitting here in 63 degree weather, but I miss the cold sometimes. Not so cold it's snot freezing, mind you, but this 'never getting below 50 during the day (okay, sometimes 45)' stuff is so BORING. People in LA do not know what to do with weather, and it is a shame.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

You bite your tongue.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

Sam, how's Wheezy fitting in?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

Hi, Luna!

SF= 55 degrees and light rain and I'm rather enjoying it. I'm off to take a stroll in the rain for 'lunch'.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

I know, I should shut up about this winter stuff. Here I am, shutting up.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

I admit that I have a serious need for a cupcake now.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just saying, the grass is always greener when it isn't covered in snow.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also when it hasn't been peed on by every dog in the neighborhood, but I digress.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

This isn't so much a dog neighborhood as it is a duck sanctuary, and they're pretty fastidious about things like that. So it could be worse.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

Don't ducks just pee in water anyway?

Great, I went from cupcakes to duck pee.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ducks = OK
Cupcakes = OK
Duck Cupcakes = Defer to Tep
Duck Pee = Meh

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

No duck better pee on my cupcake, or I'm gonna be mad at someone.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

See? That's why you should stay out of the north.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

damn I want some cupcakes. Maybe I'll actually bake this weekend. . .

Wheezy's okay. she and the dogs are fine but we've had to stop letting her out in the backyard as she keeps getting out of the fence. I don't feel 100% bonded with her yet but hope she'll keep warming up to us.

It's been in the 70s for the past few days but got back down to the 40s-50s yesterday and today. boo! one of the reasons I played hooky. . .

(oh and the bear is v. simple. just a little bday present for my aunt.)

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

I love to feed the ducks and loons at Stowe Lake in Golden Gate Park. I also just like saying 'loons'.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I like to go to the Japanese Tea Garden in GG Park - especially on rainy days. It's so peaceful. (Plus that bridge is fun to climb, although I suppose it will be a while before I do that again. Stupid knee.)

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

I just got an orchid delivered to me at work! It's beautiful! Question: should I leave it here to beautify my cubicle, or take it home, where I would def. enjoy it, but the cats might eat it. What to do?

― molly mummenschanz (mollyd), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Leave it at work until the flowers are gone, and then take it home!

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

(Home and out of the cold!)

Molly, do your cats eat flowers regularly? The weirdest thing my cats like is cantaloupe.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

how long does an orchid last? If it will be wilted by Mon. I'd take it with you.

Wheezy has developed an unfortunate taste for stick pins. I think it's the colored pearl on the top of my sewing ones which attract her. I have to hide my pincushion or she treats it like a snack bar.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yikes! I can see where the pins could look enticing (my 4 year old daughter would be after mine if I didn't keep it tucked away), but your cat?! Wow.

I'd also take the orchid home, but try to keep it somewhere the cats couldn't get to it...

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Strangely enough, our orchids are the ONLY flowers Ava doesn't try to kill.

Apropos of nothing, one todays caterers served salami snadwiches with mayo on them. I have traveled extensively enough in Italy and even the once Italian parts of the south of France where aioli is a staple in bourgois coooking but I have never seen salami and mayo anywhere but here. Mustard (senape), sure, and olive oil, yes and certainly butter in France with saucisson sec, if some sandwich lubrification is required and I'm not as mayo-phobic as some people who will remain namelss but mayo? Wtf?

Also, the odds are good that I'll hear one of the Irishman at one of the bars on Haight today, looking at the rain, and saying to me, "It's a good day... for a duck."

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

It's okay, you can totally name me, I hate that shit. Tomorrow will be a good day for ducks here, but they better not be ducks who want to pee on my cupcakes because then they will be canard a l'orange.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

Mmmmmm.

(C'mon ducks. Go pee on luna's cupcakes 'cause I'm hungry, dammit.)

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

This thread is making me unexpectedly hungry.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.delessiomarket.com/New%20Folder/CupCakes.JPG

This place just opened two blocks from my house. We had their mini cupcakes at our party in December.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

Do you see how that doesn't help me one bit?

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

Good lord. If that was two blocks from my house I'd be investing in some seriously large pants. YUM.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

You know, luna, it just occurred to me that we have some left over black and white cookies from lunch.

*Ducks to avoid hurled objects*

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

That was just MEAN.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry. The Devil made me do it.

*Adopts look of the most angelic innocence that always worked on mom*

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

i would like to try some of these gourmet cupcake places.

the bear is going back to the drawing. 1. I went about the pattern a bit haphazardly so by the time I seamed it up his appendages were puny and his head misshapen (not enough seam allowance.) 2. when I started stuffing he began sporting many holes. the flannel I made him with was just ripping under the pressure. :( I think I'll have to recut it and put some interfacing on.

doh sorry, that was pretty sewing thread. . .

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

How big is he supposed to be, Sam?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, well, you thank your lucky stars that I'm not nearby and that my knee is bad, or you would get such a kicking!

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

ILX Baked Good Violence. I never thought it would come to this.

I think there is a cupcake place in Mpls called "Cupcake" that I have yet to try. Someday I will!

My cupcakes are done; I half-cheat and make them with a recipe from The Cake Mix Doctor. I'm going to make my husband frost them, though.

Sorry you're having sewing troubles, Sam. It sounds difficult!

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

He brought it on himself, Sara.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

*backing away to stay out of potential crossfire*

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

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Sorry I didn't say 'hi' before but I couldn't log in.

― Michael White, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Michael! Hope your vacation was good. . .

http://mwwhitesf.livejournal.com/

i'm in yr blog, readin' yr posts.

I must post today as I"m determined not to let dust coat my blog again. I set my alarm at five this morning as I planned to walk the dogs then write (on my book, not blog) but I just couldn't do it. had a really hard time getting to sleep last night. :(

now I have a headache which I think is caffiene-related. i've barely had any Diet Dr. Peppers lately as soda's been causing me issues and it's too hot for coffee. . .what to do?

― Ms Misery, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Iced coffee?

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Iced coffee? Sorry to hear you have caffeine intake issues.

I may be headed to bed with @#$%^&* allergies. I'm too congested to swear properly.

― patita, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Vacations make me realize that I may be allergic to work.

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Welcome back Michael!

Sam, dropping caffeine suddenly does suck. Maybe some iced tea?

― Sara R-C, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Sara.

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm actually thinking about bringing in a thermos of iced tea each day. I did have a blended ice coffee earlier which is nice but kind of $$ for every day.

do you have pics up on yr flickr michael?

― Ms Misery, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yup.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29968945@N00/sets/72157600025272578/

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

I love that you took pictures of kitties in prague.

I drank a dr pepper just now and it was okay. this weekend it was burning my throat and making me feel yucky. I think it's an acid reflux this weekend and I just need to limit them.

I'm betting that our meal Sat. night did not help. Some HS friends of G's were in from Philly so we all went to the Salt Lick for BBQ. It looked like this:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/aeshannon/meat.jpg

it's all you can eat, plate after plate of pork ribs, sausage and brisket. and it's byob so we had a cooler full of beer too. I might have ate an entire animal. ugh. but also, yum.

― Ms Misery, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

The cats just happened to be on my camera when I uploaded them on Saturday, Sam. Those are my cats, Ava and Benchley.

That bbq looks so good! Check out the pig knuckle photo from Prague on my flickr. It's a traditional Czech dish so we had to try it. We had it for lunch and, somehow, I never got hungry for dinner.

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

was it fatty? gristly? also where do you go this summer (greece? rome?) where you *did* take pics of a local kitty?

― Ms Misery, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

It was tender, fatty, gristly (though I didn't eat that) and also there was loads of crackling. I don't like sweet mustards (which the Czechs favor, apparently) but the horesradish was delicious.

I'm not sure, Sam. What photos?

― Michael White, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

It is thursday, let us rejoice. How have your weeks been?

(Michael, I should dig back through yr Flickr photos to be sure I'm not just insane.)

I made a purse from scratch last night and it looks pretty good. no pictures yet as I'm going to remake it for a gift and I don't like to post pics of gifts online before I give them.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Weird. Coming back to work feels surreal, somehow.

Upon reflection, I think you must mean the photos I took of cats in Egypt last spring, Sam.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/116649119_3f40acc130.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/116648969_3966e123c7.jpg?v=0

Somehow I never managed to take a photo of the little slut cat that followed me around a quiet, leafy intersection in the Garden City neighborhood behind our hotel even though I went back twice to see her. It was a little dispiriting not to meet a single one in either Vienna or Prague.

What did you make the purse from?

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

those are the kitties! oh that poor little black guy sleeping on the trash. :( You should have snuck him away in your luggage. (slut cat?)

re: purse. Out of fabric! I sewed it although I'm not entirely pleased with the handles. I'm gifting a couple of friends with them so each one shall have slight improvements. With this purse design and my knitted kufis, I'm trying to create some original things I might actually be able to sell.

I've also come up with my own design for coin purses/clutches to make for a couple of other friends and a scarf for my London ex-pat friend that I'd like to try to submit to some knitting online magazines if it comes out right. Too many projects, not enough time. Damn work.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

Those kitties in the Bazaar were stand-offish but the little runt slut brazenly came up to me and got up on her hind paws to rub her cheek against my outstretched hand when I first met her. I knelt down to pet her for a few minutes and when I stood back up and said "goodbye" to her, she followed me to the other side of the street. I crossed again (so I was now kitty-corner, ha ha, from where I had met her) and she still followed me, purring loudly and I had to relent when she jumped up on the concrete foundation of the wrought iron fence of an embassy there. I pet her for about ten minutes and then reluctantly left and she followed me halfway down the block before giving up. The next day I came back again in the early morning with some basturma (kind of like pastrami) wrapped in a napkin in the hopes of seeing her and she was there at the embassy. The evil Egyptian policemen chased her away by throwing water at her from a glass but I pet her and bribed her with treats and, street cat that she was, she seemed to take it all in stride. That evening before dinner I dragged my gf there and the cat came running up to greet us.

Too many projects, not enough time. Damn work.

I feel your pain.

What's a kufi?

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

you should've definitely taken that cat home.

kufis are the African/Muslim skull caps. fairly easy to make and customize. I've been commissioned for some and am thinking maybe I could sell them as a little bit o' bizness.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Her passport was expired. :(

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I bought someone a kufi once in Marrakech.

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

Sam, you are very motivated with your projects.

I love the kitty photos... too bad they had to stay behind.

My week is going okay; I've got another take home test to do (blah). BUT my husband and kids are gone to Wisconsin and I'm having my first kid-free days in almost nine years. I miss them... but it is really great to be able to put something away and not have something else immediately fill the space. (Yes, I am old; I'm getting exciting about neatness.)

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Enjoy, Sara.

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks; I am! I don't think I'd want to live alone for more than a few days, but the novelty is enjoyable.

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Pre-closing walkthrough on the house today!

Sara, a (neat) house to yourself is fun no matter what your age :)
Sam: celebratory enchiladas and bowling soon?
Michael, I know a guy who travels all over the world for business and always takes in some kind of stray animal. When he can't keep them in the house, he buys kibble or treats and feeds them. The last critters he befriended were some Chinese water dragons! He gives a local a stipend to care for the critters once he's on to the next job.

― patita, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

the alone time sounds awesome sara. how many hours are you taking right now?

congrats on the house K! def. celebratory enchiladas soon.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Patita, my house might not qualify as neat yet, and maybe it never will, but it's just nice to have the fight against entropy be a little easier for a few days! The guy you know who takes in the animals sounds super nice. Chinese water dragons! I don't even know what those are.

Sam, I'm just taking physiology right now, so 4 credits. In mid April I'll start two other 4 credit classes (sociology and a philosophy class), both four credits, but at least no lab work involved. The hard part will be the month or so where the physiology class overlaps... I'm not done with it until May 15.

Okay, I'm going to Hastings today; I will report back if I survive. ;)

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Congrats, patita. Your friend sounds like a decent chap.

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

don't you hate it when you really don't feel like working but can't think of any ways to waste time?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

I always seem to manage to find ways to waste time.

― Michael White, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

I have found the cure for not figuring out how to waste time at work. . .GOING HOME EARLY!

I went home early yesterday (although I then did some work there) and I plan on leaving around lunch today.

We are in for big storms here - tornados, hail, etc.. Don't want to be caught on the bus in that!

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

Tornados AND hail! What is that, some kind of biblical punishment?

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

It is Texas in springtime.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

Minnesota only gets that kind of weather in the summer. (Which is fine by me; I'd rather avoid it if possible, of course.)

I'm always entertained by views of weather I've heard from San Franciscans. My friend J3f's partner is from there and he only visited us in MN one time. I vividly recally him saying, "There is snow in this PARKING LOT" in a tone of total disbelief.

Of course, I'm terrified of earthquakes...

― Sara R-C, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

The microclimate(s) of SF are a little hilarious. It averages 50 degrees here or thereabouts. It's rarely warm here but rarely cold, either.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

*sigh* how I wish I could live in San Francisco.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

The night it snowed in Prague was exciting since to me, snow is a mountains thing. I've only seen snow in a city twice, though it DID hail in SF about a month ago but only for about 5 minutes.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

I love SF, but if I were moving to California, I'd move some place warmer. And someplace with fewer fantastic restaurants - every time I visit SF I wind up eating until my stomach hurts. At every meal.

― Sara R-C, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

But it's a great walking city!! That's why I never gain wait in Paris, for example.

The weather leaves me a little cold - literally.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I agree about the walking; I'm just partial to warmer weather to walk in.

The thing that always surprises me about SF is how cold I get inside the houses. But it is apparently warm enough that a lot of places aren't insulated, so I guess it makes sense.

Let's face it, I need to move to Hawaii.

― Sara R-C, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hawaii would also be good.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

My place is insulated but we have little heating so it gets cold sometimes. Otoh, we have about a $60 electric bill.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

As long as you don't go days and days with highs over 100, you're good with me.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Nope.

Hawaii would feel, well, a little insular to me after a while.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking of Hawaii, I'll be there mid-October, tickets bought. Now, to plan a mid-Pacific FAP.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

Which island, Ned?

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Wow am I jealous of you Ned!

― Sara R-C, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Ned and Gareth would both leave me disgusted with jealousy if they weren't such nice guys.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

I'm bummed I never got to meet Gareth when he was in SF.

― Michael White, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

I had the pleasure of giving Gareth a driving tour of TX a few years ago: Houston, Galveston, Austin and Dallas. It was great.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

hmm what ever happened to half these folks? i read about the whole luna thing...what else?

― Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:13 (fifteen years ago)

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