JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

Mencia was born “Ned Arnel Mencia”, the seventeenth of eighteen children in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His father, Roberto Holness, is from Honduras, and his mother, Magdelena Mencia, is from Mexico. He was raised in East Los Angeles, California by his aunt Consuelo and uncle Pablo Mencia. "out of respect for his father", he went by the name Ned Holness as a boy.

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hmm

https://www.facebook.com/hermano/videos/10214723690180350/

Tie-dye t-shirts with big streaks of black in them are one of my favorite genre of tie-dyes.

i don't understand how he can believe this and still be "friends" with alex jones. is he just opportunistic or really fucking dumb?

why not both

it's just kinda weird.

i'm not a "de-platforming" guy and i have nothing in principle against him having these alt right figures on his podcast (he has had everyone from milo to gavin mcinness to alex jones and, most famously, jordan peterson). but in his conversations with these people he barely pushes back on their ideas, if at all. he is probably as responsible as anyone else for jordan peterson's rise. if he really wants to build a more compassionate society, and if he really cares about the welfare of refugees at the border, he should be more skeptical of these people (to put it lightly)

think it's been a while since he was tight with jones, voiced skepticism about lol sandy hook truthery. the thing you learn with rogan is he'll mostly go along with whoever he's got on (that tie dyed video, i assume from the voice duncan trussell was the guest), so, like last week? it was bari weiss and then killer mike, so you've got clips of him on the war on poverty with killer mike and then he's got a clip with bari weiss on "anti-semitism by progressives." some intellectual darkweb guys are so dumb that majority report can pull clips of him dunking on jp or dave rubin by just picking at the seams of their arguments. but he's usually very credulous, so depending on the guest, he might be getting horrified by the treatment of white south african farmers or all aboard board with medicare for all. i mean, overall, despite his preoccupation with free speech and welcoming alt-right guests, he has the fairly moderate libtard opinions expected from a 50something coastal elite dude + very mild conspiracy theory stuff (more fbi assassinations of radical leaders and less chemtrails these days).

yeah, "credulous" is a better word for what i'm talking about than "dumb." he does seem to look for the "best" in his guests, which is a good personality trait i suppose, but it's weird when it leads him to giving pretty egregious right wing figures the chance to prove that they too can hang

idk but isn't his thing that he DOESN'T push back?

I'd never actually seen or heard him till recently (though I knew he was famous for the podcast I hadn't seen anything until maybe two months ago). From what I've seen he just kind of agrees with whichever guest he has on, maybe the only real consistency around the idea of "free speech" - which I don't think of as exclusively a 'modern right wing thing'.

he has a big audience, if he's saying stuff like this he either believes it or thinks enough of his audience does, or both?

i think his audience are mostly liberals or else vaguely apolitical libertarians. i've gotten texts from friends asking me to help them formulate reasons why jordan peterson is wrong. they know he's wrong, but they're kinda turned around after hearing the podcast where rogan agreed with the stuff he was saying and made it seem like common sense.

full disclosure: that happened one time. i don't why i made it plural.

i actually don't think rogan is any dumber or more credulous than the average american newsmedia personality, though, and probably less reactionary and definitely less cold-blooded. i also i think his working class roots show (how lame that sounds writing it on ilx in this spirited defense of joe rogan!), like he was set by 30 but still grew up the kid of a single mom, raised in newton mass, didn't go to college etc.

it's ridiculous to suggest he's being taken advantage of by right wing grifters but intellectually he's quite often bullied; he has that anti-intellectual streak that makes america great, where he'll express an idea, like, why would you go to college and major in history when you can just listen to dan carlin's hardcore history? or, why would a kid go a hundred grand into debt getting a humanities degree when the great lectures are on youtube, ted talks, jordan peterson lecturing on the hero's journey and jung! he'd rather grapple with ideas from his own perspective and knowledge, which leaves him vulnerable to the elite-level sophistry of, say, candace owens or jordan p (if you put him against a neanderthal reactionary like owen benjamin or 2019 nick dipaolo, he does fine). he does push back! but it's usually ineffective.

great posts dylann

Yea i agree—good analysis. There is something charmingly populist about him and I understand why the podcast is popular. But yeah, he is a good mark for the peterson’s of the world

that takedown was amazing, almost felt like a Vic Berger thing but with narration

Joe talking about how he types his jokes like he's slipping into some other dimension is so hilarious

I do believe comedy really is an art form so what he's saying here is pretty valid to me but like as applied to the jokes he's doing it's just lmao

this guy's channel is fucking amazing wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiX5Nn4X-4Q

holy shit rogan and dana white are different ppl and ive only just realised it

"delicate, flowing, mustard blouse" killed me

Oh man I’m dying at that Dan Carlin Oatmeal War video

The part where they play Rogan's bit over file footage of Mussolini at a rally was ... *chef's kiss*

Incredible video, dude really did his homework wow

I listen to JRE maybe 2-3 times/month because of select guests. Joe is largely intolerable but sometimes quiet enough. What I’d absolutely support would be a Joe-less listen. Anyone here so inclined to edit him out of the conversations?
The No Rogan Experience!

there's other podcasts

like Red Scare

username fails to check out

It’s mad how people would insist that this shit for brains was apolitical or didn’t have a clear slant. So glad I never listened to anyone saying his shit was good. Inadvertent dunk on the “great and powerful” clown in front of the curtain.

The great and powerful @elonmusk.
If it wasn't for him we'd be fucked. He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you'll hear, and I agree with him every step of the way.
For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump.
Enjoy the podcast pic.twitter.com/LdBxZFVsLN

— Joe Rogan (@joerogan) November 5, 2024

if you are paying for Spotify then you are paying for this guy

I’ve got bad news for you about ethical consumption under capitalism and the mainstreaming of fascism by the main media platforms m8

Wonder what Musk said, guess I'll never know.

I am dark gothic MAGAAAAAA!!!

Rogan endorsing at the 11th hour isn't going to do a thing

also he is a piece of shit

Rogan trying to make up for suggesting Trump hire the Kill Tony guy

Rogan endorsing at the 11th hour isn't going to do a thing

Honestly I'm not so sure. Not just Rogan but Trump did a circuit of similar large audience podcasts in the immediate run in to the election - and then looking at demographics where Trump overperformed relative to 2020, I think its possible it did have an effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVl9xXG1pbk

Also covered here in Tempe, albeit briefly

There was a longer clip talking to younger voters in line but I could only find this one

Can someone with higher tolerance for bullshit than me listen to the Rogan interview with Trump and give me the rundown? I tried to do it the other day, "for science," but I noped out when Joe was setting up his first question like "You've been the most attacked person, that I've seen, probably ever in history" 🙄🙄🙄

Yep, here’s your summary

it’s always 2 dumb bitches telling each other “exactlyyyyy” pic.twitter.com/53PIuERfV7

— ✨ Mikey ✨ (@mikey_almeida) June 21, 2023

I know the timelines don't line up at all, but I want to post something about the world we could be living in if only Brynn would have married a different NewsRadio cast member.

I hate to use the "sunshine is the best disinfectant" cliche but in many cases it's been true - look at the effect his podcasts with Alex Jones and Elon Musk had on their respective careers.

― flappy bird, Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:01 PM (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol

New Elephant Graveyard video. Long but awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvRS3NwIlQ

yeah it's incredible, I know it's a minor thing but using bits of the Seinfeld theme to bleep out swear words makes me crack up every single time

yikes some of the old post in this thread

I watched the Elephant Graveyard video because ppl are talking about it and I can’t say I understand what’s so great about it. It’s like one decent point (The Austin comedy scene runs itself like some famous death cults) just beaten into the ground for 90 minutes as a … parody of Adam Curtis movies?

This thing turning a barely-funny gag into something people find “insightful” is like the leftie version of those Sam Hyde “these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny” videos

I know it's a minor thing but using bits of the Seinfeld theme to bleep out swear words makes me crack up every single time

Easily the best part of this. The video felt far more Craig Baldwin/Sub-Genius than one of Adam Curtis. Felt like the conclusion was coming home at the 40min mark then suddenly realized holy fuck I'm not even halfway through this?

“The goal is certainly good,” Mr. Vance told Mr. Rogan, “which is to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.”

Mr. Rogan, often a friendly interviewer, did not push back.

…in the interview, Mr. Rogan and Mr. Vance found common ground over their shared concern that socialism was ascendant in the United States, after democratic socialists won a series of Democratic primary elections in this year’s midterms.

“I’m really concerned that people think that’s a good idea, and that they think that socialism just hasn’t been done correctly,” Mr. Rogan told Mr. Vance. “That drives me nuts.”

From NY Times re Joe Rogan interview with VP Vance

Rogan might not be the diehard Bernie guy he was pretending to be in 2020

Exactly

I listened to some of the Vance/Rogan interview. I really can't fucking stand Vance, on a deep level, even more viscerally than Trump. His whole "I'm just a guy like you asking questions" schtick is so disingenuous -- YOU'RE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU HAVE A TOP SECURITY CLEARANCE. There is zero reason for him to make vague innuendos, he either knows stuff or he doesn't. Like if you're going to assert that there's no question that Epstein had links to the highest levels of intelligence, that may be true, but it should be backed up by something. You don't just casually throw that out there. You either say it and give evidence or don't say it. You're not Joe Rogan, you're the VP.

His bit about election fraud was especially slippery. He had no evidence of election fraud, but he dodged it by saying "check it out, there was this court case..." The case was some guy in a rural area claiming that urban vote "harvesting" (not illegal afaict) was unfair to rural voters. And Vance is like "the court threw it out on PROCEDURAL grounds but said there might be something to it." Vance is a Yale Law Grad. He knows how full of shit this is. The court did not say anything to intimate that there was fraud, nor would it have any weight even if it had in fact said in passing that there "might" have been.

My sense of Rogan, unlike Vance, is that he's just a dumb guy and not necessarily malicious - not just intellectually dumb but in the sense of not having the true curiosity or skepticism to go beyond "Huh, the official story sounds weird, so I don't believe it." It would be fine if he didn't have such a big platform, lots of people are dumb in the exact same way. I've listened to a bunch of eps now - he's basically incapable of pushing back on anything unless he has a canned script to do so (he did so with Gad Saad on Israel, but was just kind of repeating talking points and not making the best arguments he could have made or even really engaging with the arguments). In one ep I heard him toss off "Well the 9/11 official story is definitely not true. You expect me to believe they just happened to find a passport in a plane crash?" Again, dumb guy shit. (1) That's not how they figured out who did 9/11, and (2) yes, a passport can survive a plane crash.

I still think politicians who want to reach people are better off going on than not. Most of the time he's just dumb, not malicious. He lets people talk. He mostly has a tendency to nod along with whatever people are telling him. It's a big platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn9pQb4ukBo

New Elephant Graveyard video. Same as usual, but this time focusing on Rogan sucking up to Peter Thiel.

this is almost too good and accurate to the point where it's almost as grating as listening to actual rogan

some amazing lines though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEpyZVP5dU

crazy stuff...hard to believe

yeah I could only stand 10 minutes of it

me as well... I chuckled a couple times but an hour+ of this?

we need a 4 minute edit of the highlights

God Tim is such a psycho <3. He did this same thing before a few years ago, right? A few years ago, it looped after 20 minutes or something.

I really think Tim’s Alex Jones is one of his finest performances

they did this before and it was extremely good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPcyTmnDxo

ah soz brimstead you just said that

the deeper you go into this the more it resembles a great piece of performance art, there's almost a Magic Eye component to it where it's not really funny until it suddenly becomes extremely funny, not because of any particular reason but rather the absurdity of everything hitting you at once. Rajat having his mind blown at literally everything that's uttered is definitely a big part of that

I cracked up at all the variations of "it's too soon to say but definitely within the next six days"

lol yeah all the different timeframes cracked me up so much

"most heads could not withstand the velocity and destructiveness of a bullet" was a great line

saw that in an excerpt. I am a big Tim H. fan and he is so subtle and skilled, I’ll have to maybe watch in small chunks