Jo Moore - So What Exactly Has She Done Wrong, Eh?

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I mean, she's a spin doctor. It's her fucking job, yes?

If she were 58 years old, weighed 18 stone and had a harelip this wouldn't even get in the papers.

Just traditional jealousy and envy of someone young and good-looking who does her job as per job description. Admittedly, either not very well (otherwise how would she be found out?) or some fat old chain brandy drinking slob's got it in for her.

If politicians don't like what spin doctors do, they shouldn't have spin doctors.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my curiosity on this (with only partial knowledge of the case, admittedly) is, yes, why is it done so badly, why does it come out, why is it so counter-productive. why, when spin is such a big media deal, do we have people who, in attempting to bury minor bad news, create much bigger bad news. incompetence of the highest order you would have thought

― gareth, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Exactly. Either she's incredibly incompetent or someone's got it in for her.

The other question is of course - given that they've not sacked her, is there an ulterior purpose for her staying on. How much dirt exactly does she have on the suits?

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I smell a hoax, this time around. That oft-quoted section from the email she received, about Princess Margaret being buried on that day, but nothing else will be. I thought it was common knowledge that Princess Margaret was being cremated. Sounds like a very clumsy attempt at a smear campaign to me, and nothing more.

― Trevor, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also common knowledge, surely, that "dog falls over in penge, no one hurt" will get bigger headlines than margaret

― mark s, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a fit up, though as you say her persecution is based on two things. The glee of the press at finding a universally reviled Cabinet Minister with a universally reveiled spin-doctor. But mainly that she has been shown to be incompetent. Spinning no longer works for the public, they have seen through it - which leaves politicians in an even worse position than before. Before we thought some of them were liar. Now we think they are liars being advised by liars.

― Pete, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Given that, the question now is: how do we spin the "no more spinning" line?

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Therein lies the problem, it can't be done unless all they are doing is giving us bad news (implicit in that is the idea that giving bad news straight is political suicide).

― Pete, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just traditional jealousy and envy of someone young and good- looking

good-looking? You're joking! She's repulsive!

― MarkH, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

agree karlin you got taste in yer arse son. i sore 'er on gmtv this mornin' and my balloon adn't even bin blown up floppier than my ned atomik dustben discs.

gmtv is krap when darlin' peny smif ain't on it. DOMINOTRICO - DOMINAXTRAX - erm - DOMMONO - DOMINO - erm she wears doc martens.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oi Ascender stop putting words in my mouth! - .

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1600000/images/_1602948_jomoore300 pa.jpg

Yum yum.

Maybe she is a scapegoat but are people here actually suggesting that her 9/11 "It's a very good day to bury news" comments are acceptable? I mean there's spin doctoring and there's spin doctoring.

― N., Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, but the point is nick she sent the (incredibly stupid) 9/11 email only minutes after it'd happened ie before anyone really knew what was going on. burying bad news is a time-honoured tradition, and no doubt conversations were had along those lines in governments around the world. her only mistake was typing it rather than just saying it.

― CarsmileSteve, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The real thing to worry about re. death of spin is that despite what Capra would have you think, "Honest Joe" style demagogues have tended to come from the right. Richard Littlejohn for PM!

― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

W.S.Churchill: "In times of war fragile truth must venture forth in the company of an armed guard of lies" (ps i haf not made this up but it is from memory and fallible)

it's interesting that HONEST JOE-type politicians rarely attain power (unless you count eg thatch which i do not); am i wrong about this, i can't quickly think of any

also eg in n.ireland "spin" seems to me precisely the added factor which is actually edging matters away from automatic instnat reactive violence (terrorists in suits = the spin-doctors have won yes, but so has peace, go figure)

― mark s, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but Capra WAS right-wing.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Momus to thread! Would Koizumi (sp?) count?

There was a terrific op-ed in the Guardian a year or so ago about exactly this - how an application of business-speak style neologism and nuance to the diplomatic process had moved things forward in Northern Ireland. I was wondering today - reading about the 19th century concert of powers - whether the West has forgotten how to 'do' diplomacy in this polite and cynical fashion.

― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Was he? Oh well then. He obviously had a good (or bad!) spin-doctor.

― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but Capra WAS right-wing.

So was James Stewart!

― N., Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

19th-c UK politics had the press way better better sewn up than current UK politics, or even current US politics

― mark s, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

She's a scapegoat, pure and simple. However, bearing in mind you'd have to be a right cunt to do the job in the first place, I'm not feeling overly sympathetic. She looks quite ugly to me, too.

― Mark C, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a-and she smells and she's bad in bed and i'm not her fwend any more!!

― mark s, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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