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Next week: date to be discussed (Tuesday or Thursday?). Venue to be announced.

If Dr C can't make it then we'll call the whole thing off. Maybe.

Added thrill: the draw for the first round of DUEL 202!

― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Need for Fancy-A-Pint-IV determined by the Pint Steering Committee i.e. me, Pete, Emma, Starry in the pubXoR tonight.

― Tom, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thursday would be best for me, cos i'm going to see dj premier on tuesday night...

― toby, Friday, 15 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey I CAN make Thursday!! But not Tuesday. Might I get the chance to *meet* some of you at last? Could it happen? I'm quivering with anticipation already!

― Dr. C, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Espec want to meet all of steering committee above, Marcello, Pinefox, Tim H, Mike Jones, M.Sink-ah, Gareth....everybody really.

― Dr. C, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh bah not sure abt thurs: may have to bail... i'll let ya know (tue no prob, but i guess also no dr c!!)

― mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark, I checked - there is still no Buffy. You may be safe.

― suzy, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Sorry Buffy tonight I would like to go out and meet some real actual friends please can I?" "No Mark" "OK my lady sorry please" "My boots are scuffed clean them with your tongue" "Gladly my lady"

Actually that is not the reason, but it does make the reason possibly moveable.

― mark s, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thursday it is then. One of the Steering Committee was concerned about Buffy hence the Tuesday option existing in the first place. THURSDAY 21ST FEBRUARY = ILE DRINKS.

― Tom, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice

― , Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

THURSDAY 21ST FEBRUARY = ILE DRINKS.

i'm touched. no, seriously. i am.

― jess, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't make Thursday, I have a gig to go to. *sigh*

― DG, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

damn, i can't make thursday!

― gareth, Saturday, 16 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't do next week at all, more's the pity - v. keen on meeting Dr C.

― Marcello Carlin, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nonsense, you must all DRINK TO CELEBRATE ME. i COMMAND IT.

― jess, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

item two: where?

I suggest the vibe bar, since I'm going there anyway and its the only way you'll get to see me. I recommend it though the music promises to be good.

― Ed, Sunday, 17 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Vibe Bar"?

I can make Thursday early-ish doors, but I'm off to see the Would Be Goods later in the evening.

― Tim, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A pub with triv machine and pool table would be good.

― Dr. C, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Where are they playing Tim? I've missed their last few outings and I'd like to go see them as well.

Ed, a Vibe Bar is not really constructive to DUEL 2002 no? I suggest NOT the Marylebone Tup this time :)

― Sarah, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BAR BILLIARDS Dr C.

― Sarah, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Vibe Bar = Brick lane and defininitely doesn't = boozer. Despite the fact it's in a former brewery.

mmmm, triv machines

― chris, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, have you done this AGAIN without specifying a venue. I despair, sometimes I do. Okay, the venue this time will be The Calthorpe Arms on the Grays Inn Road (GIR / Theobalds Road corner). Easy connections for pretty much everyone (five minutes to Kings Cross) and lovely Young's Premier. From 6:30. Cheers.

― Pete, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well chosen, Mr B. I am intrigued by this Young's Premier of which you speak. Is it ale?

― RickyT, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No Pete I said Venue "to be announced" not "to be discussed". And you have announced it.

― Tom, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes Tom but everyone knows you are such a softie they thought they could sway you with their boozing choices. I can only applaud Pete for his leadership qualities.

― Emma, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Calthorpe: very nice.

Starry: http://www.indiepages.com/matinee/pix/50watts.gif

― Tim, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm guessing that says the Buffalo Bars, £3?

― Sarah, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The pub on the corner of the Gray's Inn Road and Theobald's Road is the Yorkshire Gray. Right next to the Gandhi curry house I sent you to. Calthorpe Arms is on Gray's Inn Road north of ITN.

― suzy, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, its too early on Monday morning. The Calthorpe Arms - as Suzy said North of the ITN building, junction of Gray's Inn and Guildford Street (of blimmin' course - I'd forget my own head etc etc).

Yorkshire Grey does a nice pint of Porter, but its a bit of a home brew pub.

― Pete, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was actually thinking of Young's Pilsner but my Brane refuses to work today - so I may refuse to work too. That said Young's always has a nioce selection on - though I am a bit worried that Fancy A Pint like the pub. That often equals badness.

― Pete, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ohh. Booze. I ain't going nowhere called 'the vibe bar'. I have some standards. Ahem. I shall try to come out, unless my world has collapsed *entirely* by this time.

― alix, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i did have a chuckle when Ed put up the Vibe Bar as an option, because i just did not see that happening!

Ed, where were you at Nesh?

― gareth, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Will there be a FAP between 23/03 and 14/04?

― Graham, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There'll be the Freaky Trigger 3rd Birthday Bash.

― Tom, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hurrah.

― Graham, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I will come to FAP V!

― j>e>l, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hold on - is this this week? I've just found out that having to pay someone elses council tax - and rent - and well, because I am a tosser - I'll only have a tenner this week - can we make it next week?

― Sarah, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought you were on the pint steering committee!!

― mark s, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am Mark! I AM MARK! No, I am, [on the steering committee], Mark. But how much of a committeeist can I be with a tenner? Then again if I do the wonderous 'take stuff back to M&S and hope they give me cash instead of a cunting vouncher' and get some money back I might be a bit better. Oh groo, this is such a tits up.

― Sarah, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Starry I can lend you a few quid tho you have let the Steering Committee down.

― The Grate Helmsman, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheers Tom. Hey do you want to give me a good reference for all my job applications? When I am in a well paying job it will be CHAMPERS ALL ROUND. Currently I have a co-worker who is just about to retire. She is a MENTALIST but I cannot think of anyone else having lost track of ANYONE ELSE who ur, KNOWS ME.

― Scullery Maid, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, concerning council tax, seeing as your email is fucked and walls have ears at home...she appeared in my room this morning, teary eyed, oddly, saying that if I get an exemption certificate none of us have to pay. She's sprached with them (ob. not on the land line..) and this is the score. I have the certificate now, so you can hopefully have the cash you gev me back. Then, she totally blanked me. Twice. I want to move.

― alix, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, not strictly true Lixi - how many in the house are students. If there are two or more non-students then exemption certificate won't work.

And getting this thread up near the top of nu-answers.

― Pete, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and if there's only one non-student you only get 25% off your council tax, i think.

― toby, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am well familiar with council tax regulations, sadly. I know about this, but person in question won't listen to me, and says she's rang the council and they've told her otherwise. Personally, I think this is bollocks. I am going down there myself to talk to them, as I suspect she has told them there are fewer people in the house than there are. I am humouring her. However, the people liable currently consist of 2 students and a non student, so I really don't know where we stand.

― alix, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well if it is a two student and one non student household you get a 25% reduction - as Toby says above.

On other news I just saw the Pinefox walk past my office.

― Pete, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Pinefox should come out on Thursday I think. You should have chased him Pete and told him so.

― Tom, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Run! Tell him! I want to meet him on Thursday.

― Dr. C, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

― alix, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well there is another bloke there but he's just moved in. Alix when are you going to speak to them as I think they shut at 4.30. I think she's talking bollocks and I don't know if we will still get ANY discount cos we've left it so late - and I bet you anything she hasn't got HER exemption certificate thing.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Eight people hardly constitutes a baying mob Nick! I could take 'em all on with one hand tied behind my back.

― Emma, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha everyone is disagreeing with Nick. See what happens Dastoor when you take on the ILE Illiberal Elite!

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can revoke the 'mob mentality' terminology if you want. It's obviously not going down well.

[makes note: people don't like being called a mob]

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, BAR MILIANTS are more than welcome to come to the ICA bar with me (I have membership) but they are buying the beer cos it's BLUDDY EXPENSIVE.

― Sarah, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Play nicely. I didn't expect to click on this and find all out bloodshed over the question of bars versus pubs.

Although I did cut my toe open the last time I went to Vibe bar and bled all over the courtyard, the ladies toilets and the sandals I was wearing, which were ruined.

For the record - bars, as I think they're more girl friendly and keep fruit juice in containers so you don't have to spend your life savings on Britvic if you want fruit juice as a mixer. But it is easier for bar people to be happy in pubs than for pub people to be happy in bars.

― Anna, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One of the reasons why in the bar I run we do very geneour half pints of orange, apple, grapefruit and cranberry for 50p a half.

Can I say the reason I hate bars is because I run one, and it would like taking the work home innit.

― Pete, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

issue to be explored tonite: pubs = blokes = hornbyXoR?

― mark s, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hornbyism = All Bar One, a horrid combo of both.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think Hornby would like All Bar One at all. Or do you mean readers of his books.

For those who don't know, Pete runs a STUDENT bar, which is whole different kettle of fish.

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete you may have surpassed yourself with the typo GENEOUR.

Bars are better for pulling than pubs if that helps at all.

― Emma, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean that Hornby would be attracted to the cosy authenticity and blokiness of the pub (both false reasons to go to pubs in my view) but would also be attracted to the more lit'ry element of the bar scene. So mix them up and what do you get?

Mind you I've never read any Hornby.

See other thread for my views on pulling in bars.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So mix them up and what do you get?

Err.. not All Bar One. It is neither cosy, authentic or literary. But I don't think it's trying to be, is it? It's trying to be an airy, non-blokey environment for conventional middle class office workers to meet after work. And it does that job fine.

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All Bar One is a souless hell hole, deviod of any of the good bits of either pubs or bars. I resent being marketed to so aggressively - ooh big windows and handbag clips and lots of wine - lets go *there* girls and watch suity men with rugby problems flock. Yuk.

― Anna, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, err yes, I agree. It's not for the likes of us.

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My All Bar One as midpoint of bar-and-pub theory continues to take a battering but I stand by it. All I'm saying I suppose is that I think Hornby wouldn't be satisfied with just the pub - his writing and list- making gives the impression he'd want some of the performative aspects of bar life too. Maybe he'd like one of your trendy pubs like the Golden Heart though Nick.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm American, and prefer bars to pubs because I *do* understand pubs. They are where good beer, ale, stout etc are served and where CRAP wine is also served from a bottle kept for emergencies, unless you go to a GASTROPUB. Understand /= enjoy, right?

Finding pubs where decent cocktails are also made is a happy occasion. Otherwise I'm sippin' the neat whiskey

― suzy, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tom is right hornbyXoR = nu-bloke (ie bloke who makes jokes abt self being "suity w.rugby probs" but actually wallows in same and uses men=rubbish as an excuse for BEING rubbish)

(blimey i sound like elrond)

― mark s, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Trendy pubs = exactly the same drinks and snacks as an ordinary pub with a few extra spirits and some militantly bland artwork on the walls. Two I go to: Sun & Doves which is in Camberwell and East Dulwich Tavern which is where you'd expect. (Unlike the Crystal Palace Tavern up the road which is in, er, East Dulwich.) I quite like them although the EDT has just opened an Upstairs Bar where you can buy ruinously expensive bottled beer ONLY, and there's NOWHERE to sit. This is a turn for the worse.

― Sam, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Every time I've gone to AB1 with my fellow conventional office workers I've hated it with a passion called hate. But other times I've not minded it - Alex T and I went there christmas-before-last and had a great time playing guess-the-hierarchy with the big Christmas party at the next table and watching the mating games. (Though not as good as similar fun on the TCR pub crawl the next day).

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I must admit, I used to go to the Sun and Doves a fair bit back in the day and it was ok, but it did suffer from the lack of good bitter like what bars do. The food was lovely in there though, my ex's sister knew the girl who did the cooking, mmmm extra chips.

Still not as good as the Hermit's Cave though, whose virtues I have extolled before.

― chris, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Manonabike looking over this thread has reminded me I have to do the slips for the DUEL 2002! draw. Thanks ILE!

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You're making all these ridiculous assumptions about the way Hornby is as a person. The only person I know who's actually met him is Mark C., who said he was really nice and went out of his way to be fair in some work dealing.

Tom, I don't think I'm really disagreeing with you about All Bar One - just Hornby. It's a 'midpoint' in that from my and your perspective it has as Anna says the worst of both with the good things of neither. Midpoints don't have to be like that, though.

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No. HornbyXoR more likely to be found in pub, being self-consciously blokey when required (e.g when standing near what he perceives as 'real' blokes, football types etc) or venting literary tendencies slight too loudly (e.g when he perceives there's an audience for this).

Don't forget that HornbyXoR is a chameleon, but one who is most comfortable in the pub, as he beleives that he can more easily impress there.

― Dr. C, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No I quite agree - cf. Pumpkin Publog review of The Brickworks in Oxford, which is where I've been drinking lately and has more than a few bar-like features.

Hornby - of course we're talking about public-figure Hornby not actual living-breathing Nick Hornby. Well I am. Rule 1 of celebrity surely is that one assumes everyone is "really nice" in real life but that hardly matters when talking about the projected persona and what it might/might not do or stand for.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think we have finished with pubs vs bars now HAVEN'T WE? The real issue is where do we all stand on drinking bottles of cider in bus shelters vs drinking Spesh on park benches? I prefer park benches. I wonder which Nick Hornby would prefer?

― Emma, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To be fair if we are talking about London lack of good ale is a problem which exists far too much. I think Anna might have hit upon a vague point above which works for me. The aggressively marketed side of All Bar One, theme pubs and so on - they have designed and created an atmosphere for you rather than letting one arise by itself. Wetherspoons falls into this trap, as to a lot of style bars. The venue should create a space in which your interaction should take place - they should not try and dictate how and who this interaction is going to take place with.

And therefore nor should I.

Barz I have liked, Babushkas (BriXtor and on the Cally), Islington Bar, Bierodrome (Islington/Kingsawy NOT Clapham), Polish Vodka Bar round back of Holborn. That mad downstairs bright red place near Old Street - lord only knows what that was called. Bradleys Wine Bar.

― Pete, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anyone reply to the bloke who e-mailed a load of ILE people asking if they were Spesh drinkers and could they contribute to his history of Spesh. I hope you did Emma.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like Hornby but then I look at the world through navy and white tinted spectacles. I hate to admit it but he seems as though he might just be a decent chap - I saw the back of his head at a Teenage Fanclub gig and formulated this view.

As for bars and pubs, well they can both be similarly beautiful and annoying. The one thing that I can't stand is people going purposefully to somewhere that they know they will not fit in. This can be equally true of the gritty pub or the trendy bar.

― Jonnie, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's only really a sin Jonnie if i) you know you won't fit in, ii) you chose the place and more crucially iii) once there you complain loudly about how shit it is.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I did! I said he could quote whatever nonsense I had spouted if he really wanted, but that he should understand that posting to that thread did not constitute being a super strength lager 'fan'. I think maybe he thought it was some kind of dedicated Spesh enthusiasts website.

Bierodrome (Islington/Kingsawy NOT Clapham)

Well, obviously. I thought it was understood that any bar in Clapham = vision of hell to rival those of Hieronymus Bosch. Begone with your aggressive normalcy and blonde uniforms!

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh Christ Clapham. The pubs are no better.

― Tom, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The one thing that I can't stand is people going purposefully to somewhere that they know they will not fit in.

I quite like this idea. Cause a stink. Especially if you're not white and it's some kinf of BNP stronghold.

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember once going to a decent pub in Clapham, but I can't for the life of me remember the name of the place, let alone where I left my bike.

It may have been a dream.

― Tim, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

n. that arg = uberspeecious: surely heideggerXoR also always bought hiz round and pampored waify hampstors, i do not mean the horn himself wd be poor to spend time with, i too have only heard good things, i mean the pervasive reign of his satanic ideology obv

― mark s, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh - fair enough then. Not that I mind High Fidelity eithe.. *OWWW!*

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(blimey i sound like elrond)

Otherkin! Otherkin! :) though, i usually hate bars cos there is nowhere to sit down and it's far, far too expensive. and full of City or Arty types. however, i do like JD Wetherspoons, for the cheap spirits and the NO MUSIC. what is the point of going somewhere with yer mates only to find that you can't hear yourself think, let alone speak, over the din of bloody Now 89 or whatever. jukeboxes of course = a whole different kettle of ball game.

― katie, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tim, maybe it was clapton?

― gareth, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or Clacton?

― N., Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

or skegness?

― gareth, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh no i made a Clacton "joke" on the other thread! i am catching EmmaPete's Mind Meld Disease!

― katie, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yes it must have been Skegness (Skegness sounds like Clapham in the same world that UKG MCs are better than UKHH ones, heh...)

― Tim, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You know, to be honest, I don't really like pubs OR bars.

This is because I am fundamentally a carpet slipper who is (or was) perfectly happy with a floater coffee and bowl of chips at the Mitre of a Saturday shopping morn. :-------(

(Or the Carpenters' Arms pre-McDonalds).

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, jellybean, do you want to start with the "All Bar One are evil, they are run by Bass who own twentyfive billion chains of nasty bars and fun pubs and hotels and serve only beer and other drinks brewed and distributed by Bass and this isn't against the monopolies and mergers thingummy as long they each serve the grand total of one, wow ONE, drink not from their corporation and they closed our Point WAAAAAH" line or shall I?

Plus every time anyone suggests AB1 as a meeting place I instantly think, "No, I can't go there, they don't let under-21s in," and then I think, "Oh fuck, I *am* 21, and I've led such a boring bar-free existence over the past year I haven't noticed."

Plus my room in the second year was right opposite All Bar One and there was an exciting evening when there was a fight inside and everyone got involved and the huge glass windows got smashed and loads of police came along and there was much BLOOD and QUESTIONING. So I was a bit intimidated by that. That and the fact that everyone inside always looked dead posh and everyone outside could see in. (I took some photos - bored, sitting at computer with digicam nearby - but there were so many policecar lights and police uniform fluorescent strips that you couldn't see anything else.)

I have no real opinion on pubs v bars in general, bars can be a bit intimidating to us untrendy types, but then pubs can be a bit intimdating to non-regulars, so I don't really mind. Any non-club with a no-jeans-or-trainers dress code is dud, though.

― Rebecca thisaddressprobablydoesn'tworkanymorebuti'llworryaboutthatattheweekend, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(I had a tutorial in the Mitre once. That was quite good. Although actually it involved less alcohol than most tutorials with that tutor, since a) he was paying and b) we were all being nervous, so we all had tea or coffee, whereas normally we sat in his room and he offered us wine. I always declined because I thought I needed all the clearheadedness I could get, but in retrospect since I never understood a bloody word or got any questions right maybe I should just have drunk as much wine as possible so I had an excuse for making a fool of myself. Hmm...)

(And I know normal under-21s don't let little things like age restrictions bother them anyway but then I am shorter than the average ant and I do look like about 15 years younger than I am, bah.)

― rebecca whatisaidaboveaboutemailaddresses, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Drunks, the lot of you. *weeps tears of jealousy at not being able to join in*

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...

This comment is almost a year late, but you could have gone to a lounge, couldn't you?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 2 February 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

A *what*?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

An establishment where you go to drink cocktails and hear cocktail jazz in the background. Has much vegetation, and has a carpet because no one would be so insensitive as to spill anything. (I've only seen them in the movies, to tell you the truth.) Or it's a sleazy dive that somehow got "lounge" in its title, e.g. "The Starlite Lounge." The "Peppermint Twist" was made famous at the Peppermint Lounge. Sort of cocktail rock, which is preferable to cock rock. Or maybe not.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 3 February 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lounge" is actually a permutation of "lownge", from the word "low", which refers to light levels and height of the tables in such joints. I mean hey, this is the 90s, Nick!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 February 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Pubs always used to have a lounge bar - though these have been removed in the great removing seperate bars debacle of the mid eighties.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 3 February 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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