Help me to identify the painter of this "Triumph of Death"

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I was trolling the internet for ideas to steal/copy and ran across this one

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/i/m/2/rreaper15.jpg

which alas, is without attribution. I want to find a bigger and clearer image. I thought probably Bosch or Brueghel, but searching for death or triumph or both with their names doesn't turn it up. I'm almost certain it's northern renaissance, though.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

The Breughel one is pretty cool though. ( http://breughel.8m.net/cgi-bin/i/death.jpg )

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

Where does it say the painting is called "Triumph of Death" ?

[link]http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/bl_reaper2.htm[/link}

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

It's Breughel rather than Bosch, I think.

― Mark C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

> Where does it say the painting is called "Triumph of Death" ?

It doesn't say that, I'm going by the theme of the reaper on an ox-drawn cart surrounded by fallen nobles. Oh, and the word of an old art history prof. His specialty is Italian rather than Northern renaissance, but I've sent a request to a colleague of his, too. Unfortunately, its a guy I don't know personally, so I'm not sure he'll respond.

Marc - yes, Breughel has a painting on the same theme, as do several other artists. The one I posted isn't his, though.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I've been checking. I'm pretty sure it's not Bosch, though, having fortuitously been to a Bosch exhibition last week!

This thread needs the investigative skills of the "so not gonna happen" team.

― Mark C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

this looks like it - though reversed.

― onimo, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

Looks like onimo has it - but again, without attribution! Rats. Probably that motherfucker Anon Ymous, then.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

I've found it on a few sites but no-one lists an artist. Best I can get is"15th-16th Century, Flemish"

― onimo, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Sigh...

I guess it'll have to be enough. I should be able to find a nice big version with what I've got.

I guess the only thing to do now is decorate the thread with as much macabre imagery as possible.

http://www.lamortdanslart.com/triomphe/triomphe_inconnu.jpg

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

What this thread needs is Saint Bartholomew.
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/bartholomew2_sm.jpg

― Madchen, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

Or perhaps Saint Agatha
http://www.themediweb.net/Lecture/historyofmastectomy/slide01.jpg

― Madchen, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

I have to go now, but check out Grünewald. He did some hellish scenes. The Isenheim altar!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.join2day.com/abc/G/grunewald/grunewald23.JPG

his Temptation of St. Anthony

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

This is not the thread for stills from "Nip/Tuck" Mads!

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, I stumped the band! I heard back from Prof. Jeffrey Chipps Smith, the N. Renaissance expert at UT, and he'd never seen it before. He thinks it was probably paintd by a disciple or imitator of Cranach the Elder, based on landscape, figure types and costumes.

What I love about it is that crazy pyramidal skull-supported platform on the oxcart, with the reaper standing on top. BIZARRE.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

It's a coffin, we're seeing it head on (count the oxes, it's really wide). This is by someone who's not a specialist in perspective.

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I figured it was a mausoleum or ossuary or something, but I forgot how wacky the perspective gets with those germans, so was seeing it as a square rather than an oblong. Italians had a much better handle on that stuff.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

So did they pull carts like that instead of length-wise in those days? Or had this painter simply never seen a cart in real life before? Very strange.

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I think there may be some neccesary symbolism to the four oxen all abreast. But I don't actually have a clue.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

On the other hand, there are three skulls facing us at the bottom of the pyramid, and three facing right as well. Maybe it is a square.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

On the other hand: there's a skeleton with a scythe standing on top of it. Chances are: not everything in the painting is real. :-)

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

On the other hand, that was an xpost and I had no idea you were going to begin your post with
On the other hand as well.

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

Well, certainly not. But everything in the painting is significant in some way. Those guys just packed every square inch of panel with as much symbolic freight as they could.

― Oilyrags, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

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