LET'S HUG IT OUT, BITCH - The Entourage Season 3 Part II and Season 4 Thread.

arrrrrgh

so is Vince solidly back with Ari or still with that stupid woman he was fucking? I didn't watch all of the last season and only caught some repeats; it was seriously slumming

does anyone else have the problem of not being able to buy a minute of the Drama/Turtle interaction when they are alone on screen? it's like every line has quotes around it

i think we discuss that in this thread

this show has sucked since season 3, i'm said to say. what a lot of sad flailing.

lol xp

FINE, i'll actually read the thread before posting on it

yeah end of season 2 is ari getting fired, drama between e and vinnie, even the promise of turtle dating new new right? i remember thinking then that this was gonna turn into an actually good show instead of just enjoyable fluff. it never did turn into a good show and now it can't even muster up the direction to be enjoyable fluff.

Dude who plays Billy Walsh is going to be in the new season of 24.

So assuming that Vinnie was created to be a contemporary of Tobey McGuire and Leonardo DiCaprio, what should happen now is for him to run up against a Shia LaBoeuf, someone who isn't an easy antagonist but in a competitor. Ari has Josh Weinstein, Vince needs his equivalent, maybe even someone who's a younger actor but is directing and wants Vinnie -- and suddenly can Vinnie avoid being Johnny Drama? Should he grow up? And that would lead into a fine Sex in the City-like six-episode Season 5, part 2 mini season to wrap the thing up until the debut of Lloyd! in May 2009.

i thought it was a pretty good show!! then it turned into a bad one

Dude who plays Billy Walsh is going to be in the new season of 24.

-- James Mitchell, Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:22 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

thank god, maybe that'll keep that character away from the show. i mean srsly one arc was enough, dude did NOT need to become a series reg.

yea, season 2 was sweet, first part of season 3 also iirc.

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What happened with both Entourage and The Sopranos is that the network ordered more episodes than originally planned (lots more for Entourage -- something like 22 instead of 13) and so the story arcs that were already planned had to be padded and some new, mostly self-contained episodes had to be written and put together quickly.

not really a problem w. the sopranos, but the last batch of entourage was kind of repetitive and tapped-out.

good that billy walsh's film was hated though: hopefully it won't get a release and he'll disappear and they can do something not involving him.

I liked early on that Billy Walsh was representing the crazy L.A. auteurs of the 70s, combined with a little Rick Rubin, who could psychopaths or genuises or both. His best moments were the Medillin tattoo, when the guys had to go through his mom or girlfriend to get to him. But now, yeah, get a new type in there; maybe David O. Russell.

who could be psychopaths, etc.

yeah, barring them actually taking the extra time afforded by the writer's strike to think up some non-dopey new jokes/plots, i'm really dreading the fact that Season 5 will suck, and that I'll probably watch every episode anyway. I hate to be one of those people that goes "The Wire is over, I'm cancelling my HBO," but really the movies are the only thing keeping that on my cable bill right now.

i thought billy walsh was basically supposed to be paul thomas anderson (who worships the 1970s school of dysfunctional coketard auteurs), what with the marky mark connection but yea.

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The other thing with Walsh (obv) is that he's the ultimate insider who fancies himself to be the unsullied ultimate outsider -- and his best moments were the ones where he couldn't quite get away with that pose.

I think the show's greatest dramatic triumph is that I apparently identify with E as the protagonist so much that I hate Walsh as much as he does.

i never want to hear about "mdellin" again

i mean medellin

that was drawn out wayyyy too long

in retrospect, though yeah a lot of his stuff is played, a show about ari gold and a large roster of talent might have worked better in terms of varying the scenario.

nah, I would not watch Broadway Ari Gold: The Series.

Having Mrs. Ari get back into soap-opera acting was a good subplot.

yeah I liked her tits too.

sloan(e?) should return

not really

malcom mcdowell should return, that shit was tight. and adam goldberg.

too much ari, that shit was getting sitcommy. they should really focus on the core of the show. piven was getting too central i thought.

Sloan is in this week's Entertainment Weekly, starring in some summer romantic comedy.

the core of the show has become drama and turtle's stupid errands tho. piven has become too central to this version of entourage, because it's not meant to be about him. but at the same time there were recent eps where he was the only good thing in it.

If the producers pushed all their chips in (raising the stakes while somehow keeping it a comedy) we would see:

-aforementioned dabbling with Sc1entology from Vince
-Johnny Drama suicide attempt
-Turtle discovers hard drugs, or aids and abets someone who does
-Eric finds new set of friends

ok the scientology idea is awes

-aforementioned dabbling with Sc1entology from Vince
-Johnny Drama suicide attempt
-Turtle discovers hard drugs, or aids and abets someone who does
-Eric finds new set of friends

You should write for the show. Two things, who the hell is Dom? Vinny's from NYC who went to jail? Also, I assumed Billy Walsh was based on Vincent Gallo the last episode seemed to be an homage to the Brown Bunny showing.

totally misread that as "Turtle discovers hard drugs, or AIDS" at first

yeah Dom was the ex-con buddy played by Herc from The Wire.

totally misread that as "Turtle discovers hard drugs, or AIDS" at first

OK, OK, let's work with that. Turtle finally has a chance to score with some beautiful gal, but she demands that he gets tested...and he and Drama go to the clinic to get tested together...and then Turtle gets the results for some other HIV-positive guy named Turtle...and he has to tell the beautiful gal that he's positive...and Drama starts rethinking the choices he's made in life...and then it turns out that it was some other Turtle who tested positive and he's really OK and they all go out to dinner.

wait, you guys want actual, believable plots and characters from this show?

do you eat steak for dessert?

funny situations, springing from characters and/or plots, are part of what's required from television comedy, yea.

the funny is important, but incidental to the good-times male-identified lifestyle pron

Walsh is totally Vincent Gallo. At least that's how I always saw it.

That's where the episodes where Aquaman was potential but not sealed were great at balancing their shopping with the stakes that came from them being broke.

I try not to think too much about "Billy Walsh"

gallo hasn't worked as close to the studios as walsh. they are both self-regarding dicks though and character-wise i can see it.

walsh is there for people who give a shit about things like story arcs and de palma movies

you know it seems sort of likely to me that billy walsh is a "composite" character based on many different real-life directors