Berezovsky plots violent overthrow of Putin

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'I am plotting a new Russian revolution'

London exile Berezovsky says force necessary to bring down President Putin

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:14 (eighteen years ago)

In comments which appear calculated to enrage the Kremlin, and which will further inflame relations between London and Moscow, the multimillionaire claimed he was already bankrolling people close to the president who are conspiring to mount a palace coup.

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:15 (eighteen years ago)

"We need to use force to change this regime," he said. "It isn't possible to change this regime through democratic means. There can be no change without force, pressure." Asked if he was effectively fomenting a revolution, he said: "You are absolutely correct."

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:15 (eighteen years ago)

the one man with the money and the influence to pull it off

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

much smarter than the other oligarchs

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

So an oligarch vs. a KGB man. Great.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

It's one of the ballsiest public statements I've ever heard, in any case.

― Hurting 2, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

give oligarchy a chance

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

this is like a gangster film, only in real life. for real.

― Eisbaer, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

so not gonna happen

― Jena, Friday, 13 April 2007 04:19 (eighteen years ago)

Making a statement like this seems like the best evidence there could be that it's not gonna happen. Who tells the media that they're planning a coup?

― 31g, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)

The only (rational) reason I could see doing it would be to stir up some sort of support - like if he thought there were certain people or groups that would be emboldened by his statement.

― Hurting 2, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

why isn't this bigger news?

― modestmickey, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

I would assume that he isn't ACTUALLY planning a violent coup and has some sort of agenda (hidden or otherwise) that can be furthered by making front-page news.

― Matt DC, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

"Who tells the media that they're planning a coup?

-- 31g, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:06 (5 hours ago)"

the bolsheviks?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't it illegal for a state to hrabour individuals who are knowlingly plotting the downfall of the governments of other countries? I mean, we know there are organisations which do this, but they tend to be a bit quiet about it.

― The Boyler, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

"Who tells the media that they're planning a coup?

-- 31g, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:06 (5 hours ago)"

the bolsheviks?

-- That one guy that quit, Friday, April 13, 2007 6:52 AM (7 hours ago)

lol just came here to post lenin.jpg

― and what, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

this was just on npr. apparently the uk gov't isn't happy about this.

― modestmickey, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

the tone sounded almost like a mother scolding her small child. now, now, berezovsky, no violent revolutionary coups before supper!

― modestmickey, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

Also Castro, kinda: you just hide in the hills and go "we have LOTS of rebels! no seriously, there are like SO MANY of us, we're totally everywhere! everyone hates you anyway! if I were Batista I would just grab a bunch of money and leave, cause, you know, why bother?"

― nabisco, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

That kind of propaganda makes sense in the context of a guerilla war or a popular uprising, but if Berezovsky were actually planning a palace coup it seems like it would be pretty bizarre to announce it ahead of time like this, unless Putin was already aware of it. I mean at that point Batista already knew Castro was trying to overthrow him, making those statements didn't cost Castro anything.

I don't really know anything about the Russian Revolution so I have no idea what you guys are referring to re: Lenin. Sorry.

― 31g, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Next up: Putin claims coup plotted against him, purges "enemies of the state."

― Aimless, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

31g, here is some info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

― lfam, Saturday, 14 April 2007 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

i find the whole thing weird, although one theory going around the office is that by stepping forward with that kind of public statement, berezovsky was actually trying to afford himself a better measure of security, given that Some People feel they can now reach out witn impunity anywhere in the world and eliminate opponents. by drawing so much attention to himself, raising his profile again, you can't assassinate him for a while because it would be too obvious who did it (as opposed to the plausible deniability of "oh its just some crooked business among those crooked emigres..."

doesn't really make a lot of sense to me either, but it was sort of the consensus view around my office.

― mitya, Saturday, 14 April 2007 07:42 (eighteen years ago)

BBC reporting that Kasparov has been arrested prior to today's opposition march. Aimless OTM.

― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 14 April 2007 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

hehe, "check"

― lfam, Saturday, 14 April 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

holy shit, i dont know any of the details about what kasparov was doing but it was pretty well within the system wasnt it?? or within the system as its presented anyway.

― deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

publicly protesting the kremlin can get you disappeared... it's always been that way.

― lfam, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

"one theory going around the office." christ, i need a new job. the only theories that circulate around my office are about american idol.

― modestmickey, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

The overthrowing is not going very well, is it?

Putin is more popular than ever: 109% of the voters in Mordovia voted for him!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2224336,00.html

― StanM, Saturday, 8 December 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago)

five years pass...

rip

"Recently Berezovsky had been in a horrible state, very depressed. He had nothing but debts, he was practically ruined, he was selling his paintings."

this isnt the time to say 'my heart bleeds' but if i'm not back in idk two days can someone assume i said 'my heart bleeds'

― mister borges (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 March 2013 20:10 (twelve years ago)

"A while ago, maybe a couple of months, Berezovsky sent Vladimir Putin a letter that he had written himself and in which he admitted committing very many mistakes, and asked Putin to forgive him for those mistakes and to help him return to his country," Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russia's Rossiya 24 television.

― r|t|c, Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:59 (twelve years ago)

Unconfirmed rumours atm that Abramovich has been detained in the US. Getting rid of both of them in the same week would be beyond amazing.

― Des Fusils Pour Banter (ShariVari), Monday, 25 March 2013 13:47 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

Good piece on Russia's elections last week.

https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/kremlin-in-decline

― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 October 2021 16:46 (three years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdFtqa54TuM

Interesting piece tying together Ivan Ilyin, Lev Gumilev, and Carl Schmitt. Most likely familiar material here, and I'm relatively familiar with Ilyin and Schmitt but not so much Gumilev, so this part in particular was new for me

― anvil, Saturday, 7 October 2023 16:42 (one year ago)

Absolutely no-one:
Putin: Drugs, you're on drugs.

― nashwan, Saturday, 7 October 2023 16:48 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7u3Z3GyLiI

Semi-rejoinder to the Putin/Ilyin/Gumilev/Schmitt video. Argues that Putin doesnt read and doesnt really think any of these things except as conveniences to be put on and taken off as suits, though you could argue such things can be taken in by osmosis (or even just prepared pop history soundbites) as much as direct reading

I've read that Ilyin was already part of school curriculum prior to 2022, but has taken on a much larger role since, though only come across this in passing not sure how true. The other two presumably not

― anvil, Thursday, 12 October 2023 11:17 (one year ago)

six months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFyn_KSy80

Came across this recently, its the fourth and concluding part of a series on the Ukraine war starting with Kuchma in the late 90s, so it kind of jumps in a weird spot but after it started to come together I found it super interesting. Its kind of an inverse conspiratorialism with a flow from west to east, Lyndon Larouche to Michel Chossudovsky to Gleb Pavlovsky to Putin, where the fake becomes real,

The preceding 3 parts are all worth watching but I started here and then went back to the beginning

― anvil, Friday, 12 April 2024 09:10 (one year ago)

Just realized there's a Pavlovsky interview on Frontline PBS from 2018 which looks interesting, never actually heard him directly before

― anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:22 (one year ago)

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