Peter Watkins' THE WAR GAME

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I couldn't find a thread on this 'cept for in De Subjektivisten.

I just watched this last night and HOLY SHIT, grim stuff. It seemed like a precursor to Children of Men minus any sci-fi future element. Pretty jaw-dropping because it all took place in the present: the faux-documentary presentation made it all the more vivid & terrifying.

I'm a U.S.er, so could anyone clear up whether individual citizens would be made to pay for their own protection/sandbags/etc.? (not that sandbags would do anything against radiocativity, wtf duck & cover bullshit.)

Abbott, Saturday, 14 April 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

weirdly i "rescreened" both these movies just this week, and well very much a precursor: both are set in kent!

watkins based all the stuff about paying for sandbags etc on the available official literature. it was designed to show up british 'civil defence' plans (ie the equivalent of the 'duck and cover' thing) as complete bollocks designed to comfort the public, who were deliberately kept in the dark about the likely consequences of an h-bomb attack. hence the 'vox-pop' interviews with the cast. hence also the suppression of the film by the home office.

That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

Saw this at an SF convention in '79, and it changed my life: been involved in anti-nuke activism ever since.. UK govt. has just committed to a new generation of genocidal weapons presumably intended to defend us against some imaginary Muslim Fu Manchu figure, and nobody in 'serious' politics is ready to say isn't this kind of a waste of money?

Soukesian, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

next on yr grim nuke film checklist should be threads...

Edward III, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

One of the blokes in this movie flicks the most tremendous V-sign I've ever seen in my life.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

Watkins is so great

A41 (admrl), Friday, 12 August 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago)

I haven't seen any yet but I'm interested. where to start? I fancy La Commune and The Freethinker (but neither seem ideal starting points).

jed_, Friday, 12 August 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_WR7SiC0A

☝ (am0n), Friday, 12 August 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

if you havent seen the war game, jed, it's up on google video...RIGHT NOW.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 12 August 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago)

its in my WI queue

☝ (am0n), Friday, 12 August 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

Definitely start with the earlier stuff. Not that La Commune isn't fantastic. I haven't seen the Freethinker.

A41 (admrl), Friday, 12 August 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

cheers, i have la commune downloaded from KG so i'll start (and maybe end) there.

jed_, Friday, 12 August 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago)

or the war game, thanks strongo.

jed_, Friday, 12 August 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago)

Edvard Munch => awesome

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 August 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago)

word

we started this punning display name shit (history mayne), Saturday, 13 August 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago)

The War Game is truly amazing, yes. I did not realise that he directed Privilege - intending to watch it sometime next week with a friend, so this new piece of information has made me all the more excited.

emil.y, Saturday, 13 August 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah when I saw Edvard Munch all I could think is how it should be the formal template for every costume/historical drama from now on

A41 (admrl), Saturday, 13 August 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago)

just watched the war game again last night, followed by threads. (as one does.) my preference for...formal unity (?) makes me prefer threads but watkins' moxy seems pretty undimmed after all these years.

king of torts (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 13 August 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah when I saw Edvard Munch all I could think is how it should be the formal template for every costume/historical drama from now on

― A41 (admrl), Sunday, 14 August 2011 00:17 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

really caught myself thinking of it as a contemporaneous docu at times

bruce actual springsteen (schlump), Saturday, 13 August 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago)

as it SHOULD BE =)

A41 (admrl), Saturday, 13 August 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago)

what about the battle of culloden

☝ (am0n), Sunday, 14 August 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

The Battle of Culloden
1964 NR 72 minutes

Peter Watkins's documentary-style drama imagines that a news crew is present at the 1746 Battle of Culloden -- the last conflict fought on British soil to date -- which ended the war between British loyalists and the Jacobite Highlanders of Scotland. As an off-camera narrator, Watkins interviews combatants and bystanders, reconstructing the events that led up to the bloody uprising, as well as the battle's devastating consequences.

☝ (am0n), Sunday, 14 August 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

i think culloden might be my fave, dunno

i saw an ok one about a strike in holland (iirc) at the ica a few years ago, but it was like the day after 7/7 and i felt fucked up

crosspost to that other thread, but 'as i always tell my students', the war game won best doc at the oscars so

we started this punning display name shit (history mayne), Sunday, 14 August 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago)

the docu-style of culloden is really amazing, anyone know of anything else historical at all similar?

ogmor, Sunday, 14 August 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago)

This thread has inspired me to watch Culloden...at work

A41 (admrl), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

entirety of 'punishment park' is on youtube, i recommend it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6JIcmWNr0

☝ (am0n), Thursday, 18 August 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

Saw Privilege last night. It's no less of a mess than it must have been back then, but it's still definitely worth seeing

http://breakfastintheruins.blogspot.com/2010/02/privilege-peter-watkins-1967.html

Milton Parker, Saturday, 25 February 2012 05:00 (thirteen years ago)

love this guy. his anger is white hot.

he's retired i guess -- hasn't made a movie in 11–12 years.

seeing his paris commune film was/is one the highlights of filmgoing for me.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:28 (thirteen years ago)

Was trying to find mark s' review of Priviledge: he didn't like it either (I've not seen it)

It seemed like a precursor to Children of Men minus any sci-fi future element.

Its SF flick-doc really...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 February 2012 11:01 (thirteen years ago)

That's a nice blog post as his 'finally in my hands' turns to 'this is wack and flawed'.

lol@ this:

(about the funniest moment in the film for modern viewers is when the narrator casually announces that the Labour and Conservative parties recently decided to merge, having discovered an essential lack of difference between their policies and seen no reason why they should subject the public to ‘disruptive expressions of political difference’).

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 February 2012 11:32 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

saw E Munch for the first time yesterday; wow

it would be fun to make a short parody of it, tho

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 14:58 (ten years ago)

but speaking of short, has the 210-min version ever been seen since the '70s?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:00 (ten years ago)

Yep, there's a Region 2 DVD of it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edvard-Munch-Masters-Cinema-DVD/dp/B000UM1GC4

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:05 (ten years ago)

Still haven't seen Priveledge but how AMAZING is La Commune?

A: Very.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:15 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

finished watching his munch film last night, which was fantastic. and if i read the credits right, the actor playing strindberg was actually a descendant of his which might explain the amazing likeness.

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 00:20 (eight years ago)

Huh, the last time I posted in this thread I hadn't yet watched Privilege - it's now a firm favourite.

Guess I'll have to check in in another four years and tell you all how I've loved the Munch film for ages.

emil.y, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 00:49 (eight years ago)

five years pass...

Hearts and Minds is the only Vietnam War doc I've ever liked

calzino, Thursday, 12 August 2021 21:38 (three years ago)

lol wrong thread it was a peter davies joint!

calzino, Thursday, 12 August 2021 22:00 (three years ago)

Peter Watkins is a fine filmmaker but he has a persecution complex. He keeps a scrapbook of bad reviews from 50 years ago that he totes to screenings.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 13 August 2021 14:41 (three years ago)


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