why men and women have nothing in common except sex (according to the daily mail)

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― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

link that doesnt go straight to comments -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=449030&in_page_id=1879

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

Good lord, read a few paragraphs. At first I wanted to strangle the writer, but then I suddenly felt pity: how lonesome his life must be. Also, really GREBT he can deduce so much life lessons from a single encounter.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

Any article that generalizes from a few personal experiences to how all men and women act is bound to be full of shit.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

Congratulations on starting what is no doubt about to become the most predictable thread of all time.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

I often wonder if people really think:"Oh my god, he's RIGHT! I was wrong all my life..."

― nathalie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if the daily mail is paying him more than Fangoria does

― 600, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

The reason, I believe, is that we are fundamentally selfish beings, only really interested in ourselves.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 1,125 messages of everyone saying exactly what they always say at this point, click here to go straight to a nice picture of some chinchillas

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

See, the middle one is male. He only wants to get it on with the other(s). The right one is in distress, thinking about the future and what it will hold. She's obviously a female.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

"Congratulations on starting what is no doubt about to become the most predictable thread of all time"

*bows*

i know its predictable but who doesnt love regurgitating the same ol 'why men are like this and why women are like that' stuff?

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

I seriously think without that trope Irish radio would wither and die.

It is the last refuge of the moron.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

You see, the male chinchilla is only spending time in the cage because he wants sex with the female chinchilla. The female chinchilla is only in there because she wants money to buy shoes.

I'm not quite sure about the creepy chinchilla lurking at the back.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

he is a gay

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

that's why his fur looks so much better than that male chinchilla, who would rather just be watching football and having a pint than having to be a bloody chinchilla at all!

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

In that case, perhaps the gay chinchilla is thinking up a flamboyant interior design concept for the cage?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

I have nothing against gay chinchillas as long as they're kept far away from me.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:55 (eighteen years ago)

racistchinchilla.jpg

― g-kit, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

I know this couple, they were doing the same thing on the top deck of the N159 a few weeks ago. I wanted to turn around and deck her for being a smuggo, but then I realised she was pregnant and I couldn't hit a pregnant woman. Though maybe whacking her upside the head with a chinchilla would have been quite a good idea.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

did you write article

― g-kit, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

No, coz then I'd have had to marry Liz Jones, and I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

The guy can't write, it maybe the mail house style but ouch, more than one sentence per paragraph please.

Also if he said that about other races and race relations he'd be locked up. I feel pretty insulted by the tone of it.

However Matt DC OTM. The Mail is the most misogynistic daily organ out there (and the most read by women I think) and this is not surprising and nor is our response to it going to be.

― Ed, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

liz and nirpal never seem happy with one another. theyre always moaning about the other in their articles. for someone who seems to have only married a woman for her money he does seem pretty pleased with himself.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

What Ed said. I stopped reading after a few paragraphes. Why waste time reading this misogynistic shit.

liz and nirpal never seem happy with one another.

hahahaha As if we need to know after reading this claptrap.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

Liz hates men. Nirpal hates women. They're perfect for each other, they confirm each others' worst prejudices against the opposite gender on a daily basis.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Whooaah there Nirpal.

I know that women consider it their unquestionable 'birthright' to run men down at every possible opportunity for anything and everything we do or don't do, but as a man, you're not allowed to point out the truth about women's shortcomings.

That'll get you branded a 'bitter misogyinist'.

- Richard S, Orpington UK"

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

BUY THAT MAN A PINT. WOMEN'LL DO THAT TO YOU. ALL DAY LONG.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

I stopped reading when I got to this bit:

Some people claim to be lovingly entwined with their partners. They're deluded or lying. I'm in my mid-30s and have met no such couple.

I cannot begin to count the number of things me and Mister Monkey have in common. And I don't mean that in a smug "oh, we're so fabulous and in love" way. I mean that in a "we are two adult people who have shitloads in common" way. I can't imagine how painful it would be to be in a relationship with someone who a) had nothing at all in common with you and b) thought that the only reason a man could possibly want to let a woman vent about all the shit that was going on in her life was in order to say "you're right baby, now let's shag", in an Austin Powers stylee.

As Ronan says above, this kind of journalism is especially prevalent in the Irish media, and most the programmes/magazines/papers that encourage it are aimed at women. I find it most distressing.

― accentmonkey, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, this guy's a prick but....

Men want to be happy right now, today, preferably in the company of a beautiful woman. Tomorrow can wait.

Women, on the other hand, are constantly concerned with the future, and with their prospects financially, emotionally and sexually.

A girl has just broken up with me for exactly this reason. She be leaving the country in 4 months. I don't care.

Not to say by any means that I agree with him or that this single instance is basis for me thinking in the same ridiculous general way, but, well, there may be a point there at least.

― Uptoeleven, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, women do bang on a bit don't they?

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

So what? I've had boys break up with me because I didn't fit into their future plans.

It's an individual trait, not a gender trait.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

articles like this really aren't worth talking about are they?

Akin to what Trish said above, in the truly successful and happy relationships I've had, my current included, (total of 2, count 'em!) my partner and I have really been more best friends than anything. Sex is only one part of life, just one way you communicate with each other. The majority of your life is filled with so many other things. Each of us would rather hang out and do things with each other over anyone else not because we're in "luv" but b/c we are best friends and understand and enjoy each other most.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

It's an individual trait, not a gender trait

so, so OTM - not only do I not think that whether someone lives for today or worries (or is at the v least concerned) abt the future is determined by gender, but I find it difficult to imagine how anyone could possibly think that it was!

― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

ban all mens mags and womens mags.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

b-but I like the stupid quizzes in women's magazine and sometimes recipes are nice. I like to stick them on my fridge until they deteiorate from disuse and eventually end up in the trash.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

ban all mens mags and womens mags.

well, there's one thing I can say with certainty that my gf and I have in common, i.e. that if this was actually carried out it wouldn't make an iota of difference to either of our lives.

― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

We currently have subscriptions to both Martha Stewart Living and Playboy. We both read Playboy pretty thouroughly while Living often gets forgotten in the bottom of the mail pile.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

i sort of like relationship pessimism like this, it lowers our expectations and makes stuff like being friends first and lovers second a real possibility.

on the other hand a lot of this article is just silly. he's obviously an emotionally remote bore--which explains why he's never connected with a woman.

― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

Ms Misery they could combine Playboy with Living, is what i think i'm saying.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

I think that would be awesome. Nude women doing ridiculous crafts and Bill Maher sharing his favorite stuffing recipes.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

works vice versa too

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Nude Bill Maher? I'll pass, thanks.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

As Ronan says above, this kind of journalism is especially prevalent in the Irish media, and most the programmes/magazines/papers that encourage it are aimed at women. I find it most distressing.

Ro1s1n fucking 1ngl3 please stand up ~~and die~~*

*Sorry she really, really gets up my nose!

― kv_nol, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if the daily mail is paying him more than Fangoria does

haaaa.

This article is bleah; it ignores the shared interest in photos of animals w/ bold white text added.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

i'm glad i skimmed down this thread before clicking on the link, if it's by nirpal dhaliwal i don't need to read it. k8 otm about how he and liz jones deserve each other

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, women do bang on a bit don't they?

-- the next grozart, Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:13 AM (2 hours ago)

haha

― deej, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

not only do I not think that whether someone lives for today or worries (or is at the v least concerned) abt the future is determined by gender, but I find it difficult to imagine how anyone could possibly think that it was!

I don't know -- I've been told by multiple women that they see themselves as thinking far more about such things than men do, and that they see that difference as specifically gendered (i.e. that it's a difference between men and women). I mean, the "men can't get knocked up, women can" argument is a hoary one indeed, but there's gotta be some truth to it.

The article is basically crap, though -- no argument from me on that point. Like other people have said, this notion that men and women can't be emotionally close, can't really understand each other, and can't really share anything except sex -- this just isn't true, at least not of a good relationship between thoughtful people. And this is remarkably nuts:

Male sexuality is blunt and lumpen: no man is aroused by the thought of warm breath against his neck.

Er, I hate to break it to you, but...!

― lurker #2421, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

(I do have to admit that this --

it was just a monologue by the young woman, who spelled out each of the banal uninteresting problems and worries that plagued her life. All of her mind-numbing anxieties - about work, her friends, what to buy someone for their birthday - were articulated in excruciating detail over the next two hours in a grating, whining voice.

-- is an incredibly dead-on description of an acquaintance of mine.)

― lurker #2421, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

I've been told by multiple women that they see themselves as thinking far more about such things than men do,

I'm convinced that this is simply something people read and choose to believe because they like to think that's how they are, like people do with their horoscopes.

― accentmonkey, Thursday, 19 April 2007 07:19 (eighteen years ago)

Jesus Christ, there's yet another fucking piece about this on the radio. Women's emotional health is better than men's, apparently.

This is particularly annoying because the piece started off being about the emotional health of marriages and long-term relationships, and how a major longitudinal study has shown that the ratio of positivity to negativity in a healthy relationship should be about 20 to 1. In relationships where it's 1 to 1, the relationship is in serious trouble. It then became a men vs. women debate, rather than advice to individuals in relationships regardless of gender.

― accentmonkey, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:28 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's somewhat silly to say that some differences are attributable (sp?) to gender differences, but it'd be wrong to generalize as a result of that.

― nathalie, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:32 (eighteen years ago)

positivity to negativity in a healthy relationship

what exactly is 'positivity' and 'negativity' in this context? Are they so easy to define? It was interesting the reactions I got from ppl when I told them that my gf and I never argue; almost as many said this was a bad sign as a good one, with the ones thinking it a bad sign thinking that there must be underlying differences of opinion between us that needed to be ironed out and it was far better for these to surface sooner, rather than later, presumably coz otherwise there would be underlying hidden resentment that would eventually bubble to the surface in a dramatic, relationship-wrecking way.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

Is this The Daily Mail advocating same-sex couples?

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:10 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

They talked about reinforcement and support and the ability to argue but without it degenerating into hate as being positive, and nagging, name-calling, and refusing to let an argument die as being negative.

The psychologist did say that most people can feel for themselves when the ratio is tipping and they will either do something about it or end the relationship, but some people don't know and don't understand, and these are the people who have extremely dysfunctional relationships.

The only thing I heard him say about arguing was that it could be positive, in that you could argue about things but still respect each other's point of view, or it could be negative, in that you argue in order to destroy the other person and try to make them feel stupid.

― accentmonkey, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:12 (eighteen years ago)

Is this The Daily Mail advocating same-sex couples?

Bravo!

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

The psychologist did say that most people can feel for themselves when the ratio is tipping and they will either do something about it or end the relationship, but some people don't know and don't understand, and these are the people who have extremely dysfunctional relationships.

HI DERE!

But this has nothing to do with gender roles. This has to do with the kind of family atmosphere you grew up in. If you grew up in an intensely negative family environment, you will grow up to think that that is perfectly normal. And even duplicate it in your own relationships.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

Well, that was my thinking, and certainly in his initial discussion, the psychologist mentioned nothing at all about gender roles. It was the presenter who brought it up and steered the conversation in that direction. V. annoying.

― accentmonkey, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

Male sexuality is blunt and lumpen: no man is aroused by the thought of warm breath against his neck.

----

go. and. die.

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

I walk and you won't
You dance and i don't
We got nothing in common, except, maybe...

You're cold and I'm hot
I'm slim and you're not
We got nothing in common, except, maybe...

I like to rise when the sun's still sleeping
I'd stay in bed 'til early evening, if i could because

I live for the night
And I'm in bed at nine
We got nothing in common, except, maybe...

You're suspicious of men
Aren't you one of them?
We got nothing in common, except, maybe...

I'm happy with obscurities by the Beatles
I'm happy with the Greatest Hits of M People

I'm muck and you're soap
Together we'll cope
We got nothing in common, except
Got nothing in common, except
We got nothing in common, except, maybe...

― ken c, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Please take this bait. It tastes good and it won't harm you a bit, so don't be afraid to swallow. That's a good fellow! Now, pay no attention to this bit of string in my hand. S'nothing.

― Aimless, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

This article ^ dropped my jaw more than any article I've read recently.

Oh, except this one, which I'm reposting for the 3rd time tonight, in the thread it finally belongs to. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-398998/How-feminism-destroyed-real-men.html

L Jones may be completely crazy, but a) I can kinda see why and b) at least she isn't genuinely evil.

― she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago)

Some men have boobs
I'm drunk

― @( * O * )@ (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago)

^^^this has more truth than a million N Dhaliwal columns

― she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago)

i read a third of that article and had to turn back. wow.

― proud teabagger from rim country (arby's), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago)

i just can't put those words in my brain.

― proud teabagger from rim country (arby's), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago)

dude

after a third the batshit just gets...way more potent

― she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

try getting 3/4 of the way through either the one I just linked or the one at the top and see if your jaw leaves the floor

― she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago)

The one you just linked keeps getting progressively more o_O as it goes on. It's pretty incredible.

― Sundar, Saturday, 31 July 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago)

after a third the batshit just gets...way more potent

yeah, final stretch = magnum opus of self-aggrandizing batshit bravado. infuriating, but also kind of amazing. i predict marital stress...

― a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Saturday, 31 July 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago)

they broke up about 3 years ago - Liz still writes for the Mail, a broken woman

and yeah, the progressive o_O is astonishing, in both articles, but more so really in the second one

― she vajazzled....and forgot! (acoleuthic), Saturday, 31 July 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago)

This article is basically a man trying to rationalize his abusive relationship with his wife. And no, I don't think abuse is too strong a word here.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:13 (fourteen years ago)

I was sort of starting to agree with you until the affair and making her admit you are the boss. Give me a chinless wonder any day if that is the only alternative. If your wife is that strong she would be better off alone.
- Nikki, West Midlands, 04/8/2006 12:42

^^^ ftw

― I think I'm Big Bird, Harold Hooper (crüt), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:42 (fourteen years ago)

hahahaha @ "I'm always telling my wife, the writer Liz Jones, to shut up."

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:54 (fourteen years ago)

Really sucks that this font of horrifying batshit misogyny is exponentially better written that well-intentioned UK thing going around today about how men shouldn't use sexist language on the bus

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:57 (fourteen years ago)

this thing is like O_O for all time

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 31 July 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago)

England, you are a crazy place

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 31 July 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago)

Sounds like this guy wants a "Rules Girl"!

― strong women who were willing to remember a mom? (Abbott), Saturday, 31 July 2010 05:06 (fourteen years ago)

Women want a real man, not some man who will run and tell his therapist about his new guidebook to life.

― Mordy, Saturday, 31 July 2010 05:07 (fourteen years ago)

Extraordinary.

― seandalai, Saturday, 31 July 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago)

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