UK Removes Holocaust Studying (AP)

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Recently UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum
because it "offended" the Moslem population which claims it never
occurred.

This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the
world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe
ended.

This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the
20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, six million Jews, and
1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped,
burned, starved and humiliated with the German and other
peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the
Holocaust to be "a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world
never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!

Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us
distribute it around the world.

Please send this e-mail to 10 people you know and ask them to
continue the memorial chain.

Please don't just delete it. It will only take you a minute to
pass this along - Thanks!

― and what, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, which 12 year old wrote this?

― paulhw, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

OMG AP now ends with pass it along wishes!

― Abbott, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

Does AP = Alexis Petridish or whatever?

― David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

Here we go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6563429.stm

― Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

Someone certainly learned about the "big lie" part, in any case.

― Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Of course there is no UK Curriculum as Scotland has it's own education system.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

As do the other countries according to that bbc link about the hoax email.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

They've been repeating this on BBC HYS of course.

― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

Scotland has it's own education system.

― onimo, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

There are Jews in the UK???

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Jewish prime ministers even

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, my aunt forwarded me that e-mail, I kinda guessed it was a hoax.

― Jordan, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm more interested in who's originating these e-mails - is it just a rumor that got out of hand or is there some right wing think tank dreaming up these things?

― Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

and what writes them.

― onimo, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/PN040507.jpg

― abanana, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

Oh fucking hell.

― Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

"is it just a rumor that got out of hand or is there some right wing think tank dreaming up these things?

-- Hurting 2, Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:54 AM (25 minutes ago)"

rumour -- well reported news -- that got out of hand. it was in the news as a minor item a few weeks ago that teachers in england had dialled down teaching the holocaust in some schools because there was -- can't quite remember -- awkwardness? some backlash? from the kids (and parents?). obviously it's been blown up out of crazy proportion but it isn't a flat-out hoax.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

has anything reasonable ever been written in that too-cool draftsman font?

― iiiijjjj, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

what country is that?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

The United Kingdom.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

britain minus wales, scotland, cornwall, and um norfolk?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

I've always been for East Anglian independence. it's the one proper true way

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

And Northern Ireland.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

British Teachers: The Antithesis of the Civilized World

― Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking of which, did you know that the first synagogue in the UK was in Norwich? It's now a terrible nightclub (which keeps changing names, not sure what it's called now). I've been there. A few times.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

Onimo's first post was EXACTLY the same thing I was going to post on reading this thread just now!

― ailsa, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

i can't remember if NI is part of britain. uk yes.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland, innit?

― ailsa, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

I sort of wish the Daily Mail had picked up on the original hoax email and run a four-page splash about this, only to be made to look very silly.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

and what writes them.

Probably the same type of bold liars that came up with this:

"Ismail Ax “is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the [Old Testament] is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe"

as soon as they heard of "Ismail Ax"

― Heave Ho, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

i.e. another vote for our Scottish educational system there - xpost to myself

― ailsa, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

Sometimes it both entertains and pains me greatly that you all in the rest of the world have to deal with the same effects of the rightwing fuckheads that we over/down here have to share borders with.

― kingfish, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

In the same way, things like this freak me out because I feel so immersed in this kind of rhetoric that I tend to think of it as uniquely American and that this debate is a bit less hysterical back in the UK, but I'm probably wrong and I've just become more finely attuned to all this in general. I do the typical (bad) expat thing of obsessing over news and media from home but I still feel like I am looking back on it all through some sort of weird American prism. But no, the whole world is just going crazy.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

Or has always been crazy. I've just growed up.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

"In the same way, things like this freak me out because I feel so immersed in this kind of rhetoric that I tend to think of it as uniquely American and that this debate is a bit less hysterical back in the UK, but I'm probably wrong and I've just become more finely attuned to all this in general. I do the typical (bad) expat thing of obsessing over news and media from home but I still feel like I am looking back on it all through some sort of weird American prism. But no, the whole world is just going crazy.

-- admrl, Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:26 AM (41 seconds ago)"

there's barely been any debate on it here. tbh when i read the story -- way before i saw this email -- i was a bit 'fuck's sake' about it. teaching of history is massively skewed toward history of totalitarian regimes here, and that is a problem but given the hysterical anti-muslim rhetoric that's becoming creepily commonplace in the uk media, i think teaching the holocaust is a good idea and the teachers were being weak.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I take it all back then. Americans ARE just mental.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

just kidding, folks!

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Female British-born Ivy-League History PhD candidate: Are you French or Italian?

Me: No actually I'm American and Jewish.

Her: Oh, that's nice.

Me: I suppose.

Her: I'm TAing a class and I just taught about the Holocaust the other day.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)

I know she meant well, but WTF? "Oh you're from England? I love Beowulf."

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

HURTING: Damn Auschwitz I was your lover

― gershy, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

i thot this was a sqrl police thred

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

duh that's when you high five her

― bnw, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

"Would you like you bear my child?"

― Heave Ho, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)

^to instead of second you

― Heave Ho, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:53 (eighteen years ago)

"You'd be helping to ensure the survival of my people"

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:55 (eighteen years ago)

20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, six million Jews, and
1,900 Catholic priests

lol @ these being mutually exclusive

― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:57 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I responded by saying something about how you just reach a point of holocaust-saturation by high school growing up Jewish, and that my whole family had come over before WWII anyway. Then she told me some story about a head shop she visited that had a secret shelf of Nazi paraphernalia. As it happened, the opening band's songs were all in German, although I hadn't connected those things until now. None of it mattered anyway, as I am married, and later her Irish boyfriend showed up and I proceeded to buy him a Guiness and quiz him about the famine.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

And that concludes today's blog entry.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

later her Irish boyfriend showed up and I proceeded to buy him a Guiness and quiz him about the famine

not, as you may think, a bad approach tbh.

― darraghmac, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

bnw bringin it.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

why did she think you might be french or italian?

― blueski, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

Unwashed smell? Joke!

― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

what Hurting 2 isn't telling us: was wearing a beret and a fake long curly moustache at the time

― blueski, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

surrender_gag.jpg

― DG, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

It always impresses the ladies (xp)

― Tom D., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

(xp) Because I made a kind of joke out of pronouncing "Tin-Tin" correctly and she didn't get that it was a joke. Not sure where the Italian thing came in.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, no one ever gets that that is a joke ~~because it is never funny~~.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

i've never heard before it but i'm lolling imagine it.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

"You'd be helping to ensure the survival of my people"
-- Hurting 2, Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:55 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

But they wouldn't be Jewish!

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

No, my Jewish spawn would burst out of her host belly, Alien style.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7226778.stm

― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 4 February 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)

Excellent work, Ed Balls

― nabisco, Monday, 4 February 2008 21:33 (seventeen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44403000/jpg/_44403352_keyboardtracks.jpg

― gff, Monday, 4 February 2008 21:47 (seventeen years ago)

hahaha

grebt image

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 01:48 (seventeen years ago)

seriously... wtf!!

the image implies that some anonymous bureaucrat needs only press a button to send you to your death

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 03:37 (seventeen years ago)

There are also versions of the e-mail claiming that teaching of the Holocaust has been banned at the University of Kentucky - presumably in a confusion over "UK".

lololz

― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 03:38 (seventeen years ago)

And the email hoaxes will still continue to be spread anyway

― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

There was that Obama-is-a-muslim e-mail recently that claimed to be backed up by snopes.com even though snopes.com refuted it.

― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)

if the button's pressed the train goes to eurodisney instead

― DG, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/13/the-holocaust-happened-on-british-soil-inquiry-into-nazi-camps-creates-bitter-divide-on-alderney

Trevor Davenport, the director of Alderney’s museum, seethes when the Observer raises the issue at his home, a few fields from one of the island’s four Nazi camps. Pointing to the fact that just eight Jews are officially recorded as dying on Alderney, Davenport said linking the Holocaust to Alderney is a “step too far”.
And he accuses Sir Eric Pickles, the UK’s Holocaust envoy leading the inquiry, of “wokeism”.

― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2023 12:47 (two years ago)

now Eric Pickles is woke! Michael Rosenburg also had steam coming out of Ian Austin's ears for correcting him that there were actually holocaust victims and Nazi camps on British territory. It's an irrefutable fact and the denialism about this from some people borders on mental illness.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 13 August 2023 12:57 (two years ago)

without getting into numbers games the very idea of a Nazi camp where there were only 8 people murdered is so fucking preposterous

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 13 August 2023 13:11 (two years ago)

Was Mr. Davenport related to a collaborator?

― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 13 August 2023 13:17 (two years ago)

Herr Davenport to you.

― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2023 13:24 (two years ago)

Himmler memo to Alderny SS: keep it polite and don't murder too many Jews and enemies of the third reich because it might annoy the brits

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 13 August 2023 13:37 (two years ago)

But seriously, a normal person, especially one running a museum, even if you wanted to deny any local culpability or bury an uncomfortable past would say some bullshit like”it was awful what the Germans did. We all resisted of course.” Rather than responding like this weirdo did (‘define “massacre”’)

― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 13 August 2023 15:58 (two years ago)

With the island largely evacuated before the Nazis’ arrival, a pivotal witness to subsequent events was George Pope. One of the few to remain on Alderney during the occupation, Pope identified an open grave on Longy Common “where approximately 200 to 300 Jews were buried”.

most of these inbred yokels parents/grandparents had already split before the nazi occupation

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 13 August 2023 16:26 (two years ago)

Ofc the original email blamed Muslims.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 13 August 2023 21:14 (two years ago)

xp that's kind of what I don't get about this - Alderney was evacuated, so it's not like there were British people there collaborating with the Nazis like on Jersey/Guernsey. If the Holocaust did happen there, the inhabitants of Alderney aren't to blame for it, so why are they so defensive about it?

― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:05 (two years ago)

They didn’t participate, but wished they did?

― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:19 (two years ago)

I think it's more like being defensive about the bullshit propaganda version of events their parents/grandparents were fed and they also choose to believe, that the camps and mass murder of Jews only happened in other occupied places and for some mysterious reason (or just plain old British exceptionalism) was minimised to single figure victims on this exceptional place. It was only a small island with four forced labour/concentration camps. But still camps that were only a 1 hour crossing away from occupied France for the unfortunate French Jews/Red Army POWs they want to believe were never murdered there in considerable numbers.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 14 August 2023 01:12 (two years ago)

Michael Rosen got attacked for suggesting the example of the Nazi occupation of Guernsey where all nine Jews from the island were deported to Auschwitz. That this suggests the blinkered and triumphalist propaganda manner in which the holocaust is still taught in Britain is not helpful.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 14 August 2023 01:40 (two years ago)

Thanks calz, appreciate the context.

― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 14 August 2023 02:13 (two years ago)

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