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Its presumably his last season at Anfield, with him maybe going to america or australia or somewhere.

What say you, Liverpool fans? His standing with you is very high isn't it? (4th place in 100 players that shook the kop)

But...is this too high? Part of the spice boys era that never won the league (and only the fa cup once means not much in the way of medals). Worthy of comparison with dalglish-rush-keegan?

― 600, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

God.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 21 April 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

hallelujah

I will not hear a bad word said about him.

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

I thought you would be round here soon enough with your hallelujahs and your scotch eggs.

Devils Advocate: Part of spice boys culture that blighted evans regime. not many seasons at very top for a legend. didnt really win anything, at a club that has won a lot

and

Fowler vs Keegan vs Rush vs Dalglish?

― 600, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

fact: hasnt been to FRATTON park this year

formatting: lack of understanding of SYSTEMS thinking

etc

― 600, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Keegan was shit.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

it's not just a question of talent (although his is/was undeniable, yet still unfulfilled - mostly due to some awful injuries) it's also a question of personality and character. If it hadn't been for the Le Saux thing (ill-advised, he probably thought it funny at the time, it wasn't)he'd be much more widely regarded.

In that list - I'd put him equal second with Rush, Keegan way back, probably not even in fourth.

As for the spice boys "blight" a stronger manager than Roy Evans wouldn't have let it affect the team so much, Fergie is well known for allowing the drinking culture at United throughout the 90s (which was way worse)and they didn't do so badly. Fowler and Macmanaman were shining lights in a team that was largely composed of players past their sell by date and, well, Torben Piechnik.

I blame Souness entirely of course, it's all that twat's fault.

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Fergie is well known for allowing the drinking culture at United throughout the 90s

Really?

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, look at Ferguson's nose.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

remember that hat-trick he scored against Arsenal? how many minutes did it take again?

― blueski, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

8 minutes it was iirc, bloody marvellous.

NBS - yeah sure, I've heard loads of them, from the days of McGrath through to Keane telling of how he knew all about their drinking. Especially Pallister and Bruce, who were hardly unsuccessful.

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

4 mins 33 seconds

http://www.videovat.com/videos/1478/robbie-fowler-liverpool-arsenal-hat-trick.aspx

― onimo, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Fastest tenner I ever lost :(

― onimo, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

but there's also the infamous 'going round to their houses the night before a game' anecdote also that probably makes people think he was v intolerant of any major drinking before or after games.

― blueski, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

He allegedly turned up at Giggs' house when he was partying with Lee Sharpe and a couple of girls sent Sharpe home and apparently said "Right, number eleven, bed!" to Giggs.

― onimo, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

he only did that because Gary Neville used to ring him and tell him they were all taking drugs, because he was never invited round to their houses to play playstation (which is what they were really doing), because let's face it, everyone hates that cunt.

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think he got rid of McGrath as he seen him as the enabler for everyone else to get pished.

"Do as I say, not as I do" in other words.

― onimo, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

The real mad drinking culture at United was under Atkinson. Ferguson definitely clamped down on it, which is why he got rid of McGrath and Whiteside, but probably not to the extent that he is made out to have done (otherwise he'd have got rid of Robson as well).

Back to Fowler: I thought he was fantastic for about 2 or 3 season in the mid-90s. Whether Liverpool actually won anything or not shouldn't really come into it - you can't measure a player's ability by the number of trophies his team win (as the song says, David May has got more medals than Shearer, but I expect even May's Mum would rate Shearer higher).

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

see also Le Tiss.

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

and Ian Woan.

― blueski, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

And Bully.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

agreed about not judging by number of medals. but still interesting as with shearer and le tissier you're talking about players that didn't play for their clubs in a fallow period not that long after years of incredible success. also this isnt newcastle or southampton or blackburn...its LIVERPOOL!

The 2-3 year thing is really what i was getting at. fowlers great seasons at liverpool...theres arent many 'great' seasons. local boy, lot of heart, natural talent.. never really fulfilled promise. unlucky perhaps

― 600, Saturday, 21 April 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

he wont get a testimonial will he? because of the leeds/citeh years

― 600, Saturday, 21 April 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

probably not, but then again he doesn't really need one does he? After those 2/3 great seasons, that was when he got the awful cruciate injury, which he says knocked off some of his pace, but worse than that, that was also when Houllier arrived, and from what I can make out, those two really did not see eye to eye

― Porkpie, Saturday, 21 April 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

In that list - I'd put him equal second with Rush, Keegan way back, probably not even in fourth.

Surely StevieG is rated higher than Fowler by now?

― Matt DC, Saturday, 21 April 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

The most natural goalscorer I've ever seen, and certainly the best since Greaves. He could score headers, left foot, right foot, piledrivers from distance, lobs, dinks and six-yard box sniffs. The boy was a genius, and the dockers T-shirt make me luv him more. When he signed for Liverpool again, I cwied.

― The Boyler, Sunday, 22 April 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Fowler was the last superstar footballer that actually acted like a fan. It's kind of hard to imagine John Terry or Frank Lampard, if they'd have fucked their knee up aged 15, turning up in the terraces every weekend.

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 22 April 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

I think this is the last season that Leeds paying him for his services. Don't know how he'll manage next season with only one income.

― Billy Dods, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Owning half of Liverpool's rented accommodation might soften the blow.

― onimo, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

he voted for steely dan in the ilm poll as well:D

― 600, Sunday, 22 April 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

He was amazing at his best. Never was given a fair chance with England during the Spurs dynasty either.

I think injuries definitely played a part in ruining him and also his personality a little, he was sort of a messer. I'm not sure how bad he was for drinking etc, but I do get the sense from Keane's book that Ferguson actually clamped down and destroyed the drinking culture in Old Trafford, rather than allowed it to happen.

Liverpool would kill for a striker like Fowler at his peak now.

― Ronan, Monday, 23 April 2007 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

It's kind of hard to imagine John Terry or Frank Lampard, if they'd have fucked their knee up aged 15, turning up in the terraces every weekend.1

In Fowler's case, that would've been at Goodison, of course. :(

An incredible talent who, quite frankly, would've been wasted had Everton's scouts done their job properly and got him into our system. Can you imagine him up front with Rideout or...Madar? One spectacular season and then probably sold to Arsenal without Joe Royle's consent.

― Michael Jones, Monday, 23 April 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

He could have transformed the career of Daniel Amokachi!

― Matt DC, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

which pundit extraordinaire came out with "if you cut him, he'd bleed red" comment? i can't find mention of it via the google. is it possible that one of my friends was that stupid/brilliant? does anyone else remember this?

― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

he scored goals for fun.

― blueski, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that was Jamie Carragher after his CL final heroics where he strained both of his groins.
xpost re "bleed red"

― onimo, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it was either said by, or about, (or both!), Phil Thompson.

― Bocken Social Scene, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Watch Fowler right at the beginning of this clip.

I'm a Manc and yet Fowler's always made me laugh, from his line-snorting to holding up four (now five) fingers. Something about him makes me not hate him. Great striker before he got fat, too.

― Lostandfound, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

― admrl, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

but is paul scholes, by any usual definition, a "superstar footballer"? genuine question, i wouldn't put him in the same class as fowler, but this is pure gut instinct not based on stats. maybe it's cos he feels like the sort of player that has a proper pension scheme...

― CarsmileSteve, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Yes

Paul Scholes doesn't even have an agent!

― admrl, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

Paul Scholes has a smile for every grandmother, and a bone for every dog.

― Ronan, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Paul Scholes (born November 16, 1974) is an English football player who has spent his whole career at Manchester United. One of the most decorated players of his generation[1], Scholes has been praised many times for his modesty and attitude towards the game[2], his pin-point one touch passing and his goalscoring, both from range and in and around the area. Scholes is acknowleged by 87% of players to be 'hugely amicable', 'excellent to play with' and 'the best there is'. In addition, around 101% of viewers believe Scholes to be the best player ever to have lived - indeed, Chelsea F.C. supporters admit creaming themselves just watching him play. He is widely thought to be able to cook a mean lasagne.

― admrl, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

This is from Wikipedia

― admrl, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, Robbie Fowler. When he was good, he was very good. I can't say I have much feeling for the guy, though. I've also heard some nasty rumours but have to assume they're all untrue.

― admrl, Monday, 23 April 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

did you like when he said to gary neville, "go on, fuck off"

― 696, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

fowler starts his final anfield match today. will he score a goal?

― 696, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

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