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Not for sex, but as ARTISTS MODELS, ha ha!

Any suggestions about how to go about this?

I've just agreed to become an illustrator for a friend's zine, drawing hott boys without their clothes. Now how do I get them to do this?

Serious and comedy answers both appreciated.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Try not to let your fuckwant known...

― kv_nol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Suggest having "Persuasion" by Throbbing Gristle play in the background

― Tom D., Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

There is no fuckwant. I just want to draw them. How do I make it clear that it's not for the purposes of sex, given the way mens brains bend? Or should I not bother? Is the thought they might get laid more likely to take theit clothes off?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

I think you just need to ask them in a very straightforward way with an earnest expression on your face.

― braveclub, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

I would just hang around art schools, but I don't want to have to pay a professional life model.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Not that I have tried.

― braveclub, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

What kind of zine needs drawings of naked boyz?

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

How am I supposed to say "hi, would you mind taking your clothes off for me to draw you?" with a serious expression on my face. I'd bust out laughing simply becuase I'd bust out laughing if anyone asked me that.

Actually, no, come to think of it, the last time someone did ask me to be a life model, I was very drunk and my vanity was all "OK!!!"

Maybe I should not mention the disrobing at first, and just let them get however nude they feel comfortable with. After feeding them with liquor! Ha ha ha! See, I just can't take this seriously.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://modblog.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/200605180017-pix1.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

x-post duh, what kind of magazine needs pictures of naked girls?

It's an erotica zine, of course.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

Show them examples of your previous work and that of your friend to assure them of the quality of the endeavour.

― accentmonkey, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

'boys' makes it sound like they're children.

― blueski, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it's a pederast zine?

― Tom D., Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

Lure them in with a cover story about furries and then have them undress.

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

... oops, that should all have been one word (xp)

― Tom D., Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

No, it's got to be 18 and over. Though I know this may be hard for my editor. ;-P

The examples of previous work is probably a good idea, actually. Maybe I should get business cards made with previous work on it.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

You know what? (anecdote ahoy)

When I was 'between jobs' a couple years ago, I went down the jobcentre to see if there was anything I could do between highpaid IT work (ha).. One of the 'options' was as a model of this sort, £5 per hour, all that. Mind you, that was for a maximum of 5 hours per week. (And also, more staggering, was one of them was for 'female wanted for escort work in the Newcastle area! This from the govt. sponsored Jobcentre ifyoulike! It was marked "This job is not obligatory if offered" i.e. they don't cut off yr benefit if you refuse it. Sales Assistant at Anne Summers was also one of those 'refuseable' types.)

Anyway, the moral/answer is: Ask at the Jobcentre!

― Mark G, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

I have done this!

But I was younger, and I'm not doing it again! (Not that you'd want me to, obviously!)

― Dr.C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

Just seen yr "not paid" bit on the other thread...

Um, call it "work Experience" ?

― Mark G, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hrmmm. Can *I* refuse the boys - sorry, men - that the JobCentre sends if they are not suitable, i.e. not hott?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I mean, £5 an hour would be fine to pay for a life model but a lot of life models are more expensive than that. (I did go to art school once upon a time.)

damn, no Dr. C, so much for our Silver Fox issue. ;-)

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

Hrmmm. Can *I* refuse the boys - sorry, men - that the JobCentre sends if they are not suitable, i.e. not hott?

Presumably you can subject them to an 'interview' process

― braveclub, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

i'll interview them for you k8, will pass the best your way

― lex pretend, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

Interview... sorry, this just makes me giggle at the thought of it.#

x-post Lex your taste is very different to mine!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

(What's he got in mind for the remainder?)

― Mark G, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

What if you undress first?

― nathalie, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

given the way mens brains bend

Oh PUHleez... Get over the gender thing. You're being as bad as any stereotypical male!

― kv_nol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

There will be no undressing on my part, thank you!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Write a song about how you're looking for hott nude boy models that contains your phone number and email address! (as soon as you get into one of those link blogs people all over the world will know about it - even more so than asking about it on ILX)

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

(an email address you set up only for that purpose, obv)

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

OK, the last thing I need is every desperate boy on earth getting my phone number or email!

Serious answer: I think I should put together an online portfolio, then get a business card printed with an example of my work and the address of the portfolio - and hand this card out to potential models I may see in my wanders.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Ah! Apparently life model rates are only £6 an hour. The editor wants to do this, because she likes the paradigm-subversion of paying for male flesh.

Ummm...

No, still giggle giggle giggle.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

Making business cards sounds like a sensible way of doing it, if you don't want professionals. I'd also consider having a copy of the zine to show them: the more information they get then the less likely they'd be to a) think you're joking, b) mistake drawwant for fuckwant and c) get skeezed the fuck out.

Although, I've clearly never done this so what do I know? Maybe you should just lurk in the men's changing rooms at your local swimming pool.

― emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

this all sounds very subversive

― RJG, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

What would be a sensible way to do it then? Date rape drugs?

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

Does that mean something different now? xp

― Nicole, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

i'll do it for a fiver and some date rape drugs

― tissp, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Probably learning not to giggle about it would be a good way of seeming more professional, actually! ;-)

x-post SOLD TO THE MAN IN THE GINGER BEARD!!!!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

don't let them know you've asked the internet how to go about doing it.

and offer sex.

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

will there be viagra available? i would do it but i don't think i will be able to keep it up for the duration of the drawing.

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

Approaching random men and telling them you want to draw them naked, for no pay, it's lke, how can sex NOT be involved??

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, Tracer. That I should pay them, to keep it on the level?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Yes!!!! Sublimate it all in the mechanism of labour

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

£6 p.h.?

I've done worse jobs :/

― fandango, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose a 4-hour session at £24 or whatever would be nothing to me, but would be beer money for a penniless student.

I should probably clarify that I don't actually want genitalia involved, either turkey gizzard or erect, I mainly want bare-chested because I really enjoy drawing the musculature of the torso, shoulders, collarbones, etc. It's an aesthetic thing mostly I suppose, interesting planes and angles.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

oh, then ask for topless models.

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

I wish Aussie Kate would post to tell me how she finds her models.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

or, go to beach and get freebies

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Put a grubby inky card in the window of your local newsagent?

― Tom D., Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 16 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

It doesn't necessarily mean muscley blokes.

Yay!

and you're not middle aged yet.

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I'm sure that having two X chromosomes will help enormously.

― en i see kay, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

Putting all joking aside...

Believe it or not, due to the reactions of blokes on this thread, I'm actually worried about models misunderstanding what the idea is, and putting myself in an awkward and/or dangerous situation.

It's no big deal if a potential model just goes "aw, no, fuck off pervert!" but if a potential model totally misunderstands the situation and I get ... well, attacked is probably the wrong word, but if *I* end up having to foist off unwanted attention - well, that's more of my worry. Have to cross that bridge after someone agrees, I suppose.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

Tip: don't be alone when you ask them? Take the editor with you as you explain what you've got planned?

― StanM, Thursday, 3 May 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

Nah, my editor would probably try to get off with them. ;-)

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 3 May 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

You should try to appeal to really vain people, all like "I want to capture your youth on paper."

On second thought, that is the creepiest thing you could say.

― Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Are these modelled men s'posed to have boners whilst illustrated or no?

― Abbott, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

One would assume so.

― admrl, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

Just ask THESE GUYS:

http://eil.com/newgallery/Kraftwerk-Das-Model-56922.jpg

― Abbott, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

Why not just pick guys you want to sleep with anyways? And then sleep with them, if it comes to that?

― Casuistry, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

what? this is 2007, nude modelling is totally a thing by now, i don't think you have to ask anyone in a very specific way at all! just be like hi i'm an artist and i do nudes, can i do you?

or not

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

she is celibate, dude, don't be such a huge fucking jerk

― river wolf, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

what oops, i dunno

― Surmounter, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

― chaki, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Once you stop giggling, bing professional should be sufficient.

― Oilyrags, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:24 (eighteen years ago)

maybe your british accent will set them at ease when asking

― félix pié, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

Now that I've peeked into the sexual orientation poll thread, apparently Kate's celibacy is the sort of thing I would have been up on if I read more threads. Well, no offense meant!

― Casuistry, Friday, 4 May 2007 02:43 (eighteen years ago)

you should pay them because people generally suck at posing for life drawing. inexperienced models always insist on talking to you, can't/aren't fit enough to hold interesting poses for any length of time, hit on you, etc.

if you offer money, you can get experienced models, and it's just a better dynamic if you're paying them... you can tell them to do stuff like you can't when they're doing it as a favor to you.

post flyers at art schools saying what you're looking for and pony up the cash.

― f. hazel, Friday, 4 May 2007 06:11 (eighteen years ago)

Kate has an English Accent? is it one she can "do", like my Geordie one?

― Mark G, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

Kate's english accent is amazing. However, she only has it when drunk. Thinking about it, a few scotches before the approach might help focus the mind/ avoid the titters.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm too sloppy a draughtsperson when drunk, so that's a terrible idea. You can tell by looking at my sketchbook how much of the bottle of wine I'd drunk by what point.

I think an exagerated American accent would probably be better, like "oops, I'm a cultural ignoramous who has no idea of the social niceties of asking boys to disrobe for me, but hey! If you get a boner, you'll get a big tip!"

That said, I don't find boners very interesting, artistically. The editor has boners in her work, though. (Apparently, I've not seen yet, as NSFW.) I find, that my problem is, once I start looking at a boy like I'm going to draw him, he becomes reduced to lovely planes and angles and I start looking at him like he's a painting or a work of architecture, rather than anything sexual or sometimes even human.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, I always like my ~~porn~~ erotica not to look like anything sexual or even human.

― aldo, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

The process of creation of the art and enjoyment of the art in being slightly different shockah!

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

angles

Right. That's me out then. Again. Oh well.

― StanM, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

Can't you just google "hot naked men" with your safe search switched off, choose one of the many many many delightful photos (I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKING AT THESE SINCE YESTERDAY, HONEST) and do your sketch from one or more of those?

― C J, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

When I'm working with an airbrush at 8x to 20x magnification, honestly, it's nothing but planes and colours and shade and light and I enjoy that kind of preciseness. Sometimes it's a surprise to jump back to full screen size and remember that that plane is actually a boy's stomach with the light plane is belly and the dark shadow is treasure trail. Enjoyable on a aesthetic level, joy in the craft of it - as well as enjoyable on a prurient level.

x-post I used to work from pictures in magazines, but to be honest, googling "naked teenage boybutt" (not taht I've ever done that oh no, let alone started any threads about it) doesn't necessarily bring up people I'd like to draw. The airbrushing has already been done, takes the fun out of it.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

Also, CJ, do not have interweb access at home, and that's not the kind of thing I want in my cache at work!

I was looking through my computer at home last night and here's one I made earlier:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/483637850_604cb5a1a9.jpg

(the compression on the jpeg is probably terrible.)

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

Fair comment about the work thing there, Kate.

― C J, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

Rohypnol?

― Hello Sunshine, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

I have become a sad old cliche. I just sketch boys in nightclubs now.

― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Excellent! I think I have found one now!

He was at a proper (clothed) photoshoot that I did. Then we were kidding around, talking on the interweb about pr0n. I asked him, kind of joking if he wanted to do some himself. And he's up for it!

I mean, not UP for it like that (fnar fnar) as we both said no willies involved, it's not that kind of thing. But figure drawing! Yes! Will see how it goes.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

why not draw his willy?

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Because willies aren't actually very interesting, aesethtically.

Other parts of the male anatomy are far more interesting, visually, not to mention erotically arousing.

To me, at least. And to the girls I've discussed this with.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

All should be well so long as you don't have a crush on him. That can... complicate things between artist and model.

At least it can when artist is a man.

― kv_nol, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have a crush on him at all. He's not my type. And also he's been with one of my friends, which makes him a total no-go area for me. I do think he's attractive, and I know that he's photogenic, which will make him fun to draw.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

That can... complicate things between artist and model.

At least it can when artist is a man.

but... with sexy results! You know Picasso banged all his models.

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

In the face with a hammer, judging by some of the paintings.

― aldo, Thursday, 2 August 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Willies are fun to draw, you know, in an eighth grade humor doodling in the margins sort of way.

― Abbott, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hm. I don't think I knew any girls in eighth grade who drew willies in the margins. I think any girl who did that might have a shady reputation.

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

"You know, I looked over Abbott's shoulder today and she was drawing dicks again. It's like she's obsessed!"

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

The point is moot, as he doesn't want to do willies, either.

I'm with Plath on this one, they look kind of like turkey gizzards when not in use.

It's so weird, I'm so excited about this that I'm actually starting to get all second guessing about it, and thinking he's gonna back out of it and not do it after all. (Not excited in a sexual way, just excited in a really creative way, like that feeling you get when you've booked a really good gig or something.) And trying to read things into his email to make it like he wasn't actually agreeing, when he was saying all he'd get me his new phone number when he got a new phone.

WHY AM I ALWAYS SO NEGATIVE?!?!? God, I hate my brain sometimes.

I suppose it's just still such a weird and novel situation to me. Once I've drawn nekkid or semi-nekkid boys a bunch more times, it'll be all old hat and I'll be a pr0n pro and totally professional about it. Instead of giggling like a girl and going "heh, willies!"

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 2 August 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

How has this thread gone so long without Tuomas?

― rogermexico., Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

which are more aesthetically interesting: willies or vadges

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

ok cio me saying "willies"

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

wallofvadge.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, Kenan, I drew (draw) a lot of doodles of naked ladies. I had a VERY CONTENTIOUS relationship with one HS teacher---it was his last year before he retired & seriously, he was catching me all the time doing the Dennis the Menace shit in class: spitballs, etc., even hiding a comic book behind my textbook. But one day he sneaked up behind me when I was drawing a detailed nudie girl. "You know, there's a cowboy out in Drummond who make a lotta money drawing them cheesecake girls," he said. "Keep it up, maybe you'll go somewhere."

― Abbott, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha holy shit

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Mmm... cheesecake.

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

I drew naked ladies in history class sometimes. The teacher was one of the young hip types, and he approved of my efforts, though he did once point out that some of the girls were so top-heavy they might topple over. "Well," I explained, "That's why she's lying down."

― kenan, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

I can't remember who the boy who agreed up there was. He never did, regardless.

I am having a lot more success finding models now. I've dropped the taking their clothes off requirement, and now they practically volunteer!

― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:51 (seventeen years ago)

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