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― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)
― and what, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)
know the guy in the booth who's talking to you in that tiny little earphone? He's afraid the guys at network are gonna tell him that he's through/ If he lets a guy keep talking like I'm talking to you/ Cause the corporations got the networks and they get to say who gets to talk about the country and who's crazy today/ I would cut to a commercial if you still want this job/ Because you may not be back tomorrow with this cooperate mob/Cut to commercial, cut to commercial, cut to commercial. Ok ok I got a simple question that I'd like to ask of this network/ That pays you for performing this task/ How come they got the airwaves? They're the peoples aren't they? Wouldn't they be worth 70 billion to the public today? If some money-grubbin Congress didn't give them away for big campaign money? It's hopeless you see/ If you're runnin for office with out no TV/If you don't get big money/ You get a defeat/ Corporations and broadcasters make you dead meat/ You been taught in this country there's speech that is free/ But free don't get you no spots on TV/If you want to have senators not on the take/ Then give them free air time/ They won't have to fake/ Telecommunications is the name of the beast/that, that, that, that, that's eating up the world from the west to the east/ The movies, the tabloids, TV and magazines/ they tell us what to think and do/ And all our hopes and dreams/ All this information makes America phat/ But if the company's outta the country/ How American is that? But we got Americans with families that can't even buy a meal/ Ask a brother who's been downsized if he's getting any deal/ Or a white boy bustin ass til they put him in his grave/ He ain't gotta be a black boy to be livin like a slave/ Rich people have always stayed on top by dividing white people from colored people/ but white people got more in common with colored people then they do with rich people/ we just gotta eliminate them. White people, black people, brown people, yellow people, get rid of 'em all/ All we need is a voluntary, free spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction/ Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody til they're all the same color
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:28 (fourteen years ago)
No wonder Beatty just dropped the mic and peaced out after this movie. Town & Country was just a victory lap.
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
Are there movies that are loaded with speeches about why the world sucks that people don't look back at years later and say "wow, they got it" about?
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
uh most of them?
― in my world of ugly tribadists (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
name one?
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
Bulworth
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
maybe I misunderstood yr sentence, but most people look back on movies that bloviate about how bad things are as terrible/sanctimonious/preachy etc.
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
i dunno if i wanna play the "most people" game, plenty of people still love paddy chayefsky etc
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
no one fondly remembers Lions for Lambs
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:46 (fourteen years ago)
and that was just 3 years ago
i just mean is there a film of this type that doesn't have a sizable cult praising its prescience
xpost haha good one!
Boyz n the Hood, also terrible
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
from the Boyz wikipedi page:
In 2002, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally significant" and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry.
so yeah that doesn't count
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
but I'll definitely give you Lions For Lambs
Boyz in the Hood was fantastic, you crazy person.
HIGHER LEARNING is the one that was terrible.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
I still haven't seen Boyz, but yeah Higher Learning, woof.
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
boyz in the hood is kind of awesome (preachy and obvious and what not but still...)
tonewise it's basically 'stand by me' iirc, it plays like a period piece somehow.
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
Menace II Society >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boyz in the Hood >>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher Learning
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
higher learning had more endings than return of the king
JFK got the balance right: batshit, mendancious, and awesome.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
I can't remember a thing about Hoffa, so not sure if it qualifies
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
sure, but the line where "terrible" is is between Boyz and Higher
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
no speeches in Hoffa, but we get both a terrible RFK impersonation and a terrible Jack Nicholson impersonation in their one scene.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:53 (fourteen years ago)
trying to remember what the homeless man says after bulworth dies for our sins SPOILER
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
more like menace II society >>>>> boyz (not enough arrows) higher learning
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
^^^ knows what's up
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
This is one of those cases of the trailer making it out to be the best possible movie on Earth and then the actual movie didn't quite deliver. But, hey, saw it in the theater once, long ago, what do I know.
― Four Shouters Shouting (Eazy), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
I almost wonder if Singleton designed Learning so that teachers could pause the film after each scene and have the class discuss what just happened
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
I think the other problem here is that we're be asked to remember movies that have, by definition, largely been forgotten. Like in 5 years I will probably have no memory that Lions for Lambs even existed.
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:59 (fourteen years ago)
we're being
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Walked out of Higher Learning.
― Four Shouters Shouting (Eazy), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Higher Learning is no more absurd than listening to Janet Jackson recite her poetry in voiceover while wearing a beret.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:01 (fourteen years ago)
can't believe singleton is still only 43 yrs old. are any of his other films actually any good?
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
I love Four Brothers
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
I tried to watch Baby Boy once and honestly could not figure out what the fuck was going on from one scene to the next, or who any of the characters were
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:07 (fourteen years ago)
omg that movie was also terrible, in fact I often combine the two into a Frankenstein's monster of cinematic awfulness when I try to recall them
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
poetic justice was so bad. the fact that her name was justice kind of ruined other movies with the word "justice" in the title, i tend to always mistakenly assume that anything like "silent justice" will be about a mute assassin named justice or "blind justice" will be about a blind cop named "justice"
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:13 (fourteen years ago)
Good Justice Hunting
― Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
all those great movies with the word justice in the title...ruined...
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:14 (fourteen years ago)
Half of Singleton's problem is those goddamn allegorical names.
― Four Shouters Shouting (Eazy), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
way to talk about Bulworth, chumps
lol at Alfred being the inevitable protestor that Beatty isn't a good rapper. GEE REALLY
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
and yet Doughboy, oddly, is not in the army
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
xp
I need to rewatch Bulworth, I really remember very little of it other than Halle Berry being hot, which makes me think maybe I didn't see it
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
hey morbz stop bringing up judd apatow and answer my question
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:27 (fourteen years ago)
the answer is "yes", what's in it that's not to like?
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
and what is yr problem w/ the Cheadle speech, exactly? Unless you think Beatty & Jeremy Pikser are presenting it to be endorsed cuz, hey, they're morons.
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
i remember thinking this movie was pretty stupid
― goole, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
and what is yr problem w/ the Cheadle speech, exactly?
iirc it comes out of the blue from a new character in a dull, unfunny movie (unless Oliver Platt getting sweaty as Warren Beatty speaks truth to power is your idea of funny) where people are dropping speeches left and right. Was I wrong in thinking you weren't a sorkin fan?
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)
no
Need to remember not to revive threads about good things
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
well, at least try to offer more than a quote, a "what's not to like?" and a "better than apatow" next time
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
what's in it that's not to like?
...
― i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)
i really wish i could find online the final speech to the camera from the homeless dude
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)
i don't know morbs, i mean do you really think that "everybody fucking until they're all the same color" is a reasonable and valid solution for american racial politics
― i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)
please remember to phrase your answer in the form of an apatow zinger
― i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)
Imdb has 'rastaman the griot' saying "You got to be a spirit! You can't be no ghost." But I swear he offered a little more in the coda.
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)
Certainly, satire is meant to be taken literally, every word of it.(ie, fucking is a metaphor)
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
― Four Shouters Shouting (Eazy)
probably not allegorical names here but next up for singleton: a thriller starring taylor lautner called 'abduction' and a superhero movie starring tyrese gibson called 'luke rage.'
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)
taylor lautner IS abe duction
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)
wait hold on
"luke rage"?
Man, Tyrese is Singleton's DiCaprio
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
cant wait for the rark knight rises
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
luke CAGE. sorry.
― omar little, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
A wrongly convicted man, escaping from prison after gaining superhuman strength and endurance, becomes a superhero mercenary.
aw i thought that he was actually producing an off-brand luke cage movie
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)
apparently singleton had taylor lautner watch a lot of Tom Cruise movies as prep for Abduction. Get psyched!
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)
yeah luke cage is a classic marvel hero! one of the first black superheroes!
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:57 (fourteen years ago)
Goddamn you all to hell
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
what a world...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/292247451_decd967220_m.jpg
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
I'll always defend Bulworth, and it's not really clear that the criticisms of it are any more enlightening than the praise of it purportedly isn't. I'll defer to the master here:
In some respects the movie qualifies as a left-wing Network, with a comparable degree of anger and confusion shading its cascading desire to outrage. Much as Paddy Chayevsky unloaded all his conservative gripes against the 60s and 70s, combining them with reflections on the venality of television, Beatty sounds off on issues of the 80s and 90s — public financing of elections, the inflating cost of health-care insurance, the corporate ownership of networks, the absence of black leaders, the erosion of inner-city school and job programs, the decimation of welfare, the hypocrisies of the gulf war — combining them with reflections on the venality of politics and the media, which are again seen as virtually interchangeable.To go along with the terms of this critique, you have to agree that Beatty and Bulworth have more common cause with inner-city victims than with Rupert Murdoch, and this bizarre, energizing movie doesn’t so much argue this audacious and bewildering case as set it forth as a postulate and let the chips fall where they may. That’s why Bulworth seems to seesaw relentlessly between visionary and mad fool. And that’s why the guarded appreciation of Bulworth by Henry Louis Gates Jr. in the New Yorker begins with the bottom-line demurral “Warren Beatty can’t rap.” Of course he can’t rap; the fact that he proceeds to rap anyway for the better part of the film is Beatty’s way of flinging down the gauntlet, letting us decide how serious or ridiculous he is for trying. The implicit question throughout is whether it’s any more serious or ridiculous than trying to talk like Bill Clinton.
To go along with the terms of this critique, you have to agree that Beatty and Bulworth have more common cause with inner-city victims than with Rupert Murdoch, and this bizarre, energizing movie doesn’t so much argue this audacious and bewildering case as set it forth as a postulate and let the chips fall where they may. That’s why Bulworth seems to seesaw relentlessly between visionary and mad fool. And that’s why the guarded appreciation of Bulworth by Henry Louis Gates Jr. in the New Yorker begins with the bottom-line demurral “Warren Beatty can’t rap.” Of course he can’t rap; the fact that he proceeds to rap anyway for the better part of the film is Beatty’s way of flinging down the gauntlet, letting us decide how serious or ridiculous he is for trying. The implicit question throughout is whether it’s any more serious or ridiculous than trying to talk like Bill Clinton.
― Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)
I'll certainly give Beatty points for going on a limb. It's a sloppy, monotonous messianic trudge, but it's certainly audacious.
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 20:02 (fourteen years ago)
like, I'm guessing we vote for the same people
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)
It must be compared to the myriad other Hollywood films that implicitly criticized Clinton's cynical "third way"
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)
I just don't feel the need to praise a celeb's huffpo rant just cuz they made a movie out of it
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 20:05 (fourteen years ago)
or rather, pretend its any good
We disagree. I found it very funny and cathartic, though not particularly prescient, as Beatty could have never guessed that ten years later we'd elect a black president who's even worse than Clinton.
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
In some respects the movie qualifies as a left-wing Network,
Network is right-wing?
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)
haha it wouldn't be as popular as it is if people could tell what wing it is
― da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
yeah I think it's politics are pretty ambiguous
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
also Luke Cage aka Power Man is awesome fuiud
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)
I think Rosenbaum is placing Chayefsky's POV in the context of acquiring his greatest fame in the '50s and no doubt feeling the culture had slipped immeasurably since then, not to mention flipping his Zionist wig at Redgrave's Oscar speech in '78.
Imagine Howard Beale ranting that only xx% of people read newspapers today.
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:16 (fourteen years ago)
On the Luke Cage tip, the hilarious Gone and Forgotten blog just put up the first two http://gone-and-forgotten.blogspot.com/2011/04/many-foes-of-luke-cage-power-man-part-2.html parts of "The Many Foes of Luke Cage, Power Man."
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XhqFzJlytIo/TZu_qm83FRI/AAAAAAAACZ4/hHQnP0Y9LkA/s320/LukeCageRoguesGallery_04.jpg
― An A-Team of Apes. (Phil D.), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
he sang creditably with Madonna; isn't he film's Renaissance Man?
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
also I didnt know you were so Henry Louis Gatesish
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)
"Skip" if you're feeling nasty.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 21:15 (fourteen years ago)
still can't get over this one.
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 April 2011 01:39 (fourteen years ago)
give it time
― some dude, Saturday, 16 April 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)
― omar little, Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
baby boy is AWESOME!!!
― cum dude (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 16 April 2011 04:35 (fourteen years ago)
I'm with Morbs here, this movie is worthwhile at the least & great in parts.
Not enough discussion of the RZA-loaded soundtrack! Also worthwhile.
― sleeve, Saturday, 16 April 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
oof man saw part of this on cable this morning, really embarassing to watch now
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:06 (twelve years ago)
Obama expresses desire to "go Bulworth"
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:02 (twelve years ago)
"Democratic senator who left his liberal principles in the dust long ago"
would be giving himself too much credit phaps
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2013 18:30 (twelve years ago)