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in sixths, no wc or ec

Poll Results

Option	Votes
N	16
SE	13
SW	11
E	6
W	6
NW	4

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

Is this where we live or what?

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

oh good point, its what you like best

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

no NE :(

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

another chance to get annoyed at people slagging off W or SW because they spent 5 minutes there once, noticed an industrial estate in the distance and then a parakeet shat on their Cornetto.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

No one ever really talks about 'North East London' though - it's either 'North London' or 'East London'. Maybe there's a case for Tottenham and Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill though.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Also where is Central London?

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Gareth in using London postcodes to denote areas shocker

― Vicky, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Central London, Matt, is in the middle.

― the next grozart, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

WC and EC are also London postcodes

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

oh, just saw gareth's note to that effect and now feel foolish

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

the postcodes are the correct delimiters. it is not possible for it to be otherwise. sometimes you might get a little surprised, but its just one of those things

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

would anyone tick a postcode area they don't currently live in?

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Bradford is the only part of Britain I've ever heard people refer to where they live by their postcode.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, I picked my postcode, but that's not my favourite. I think I prefer SE to SW. But it's a tough one.

― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

like its weird that theres a tiny bit of E8 that is west of the A10, but its just how it has to be

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

tell me about this bradford thing dom, i have not heard of this

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

would anyone tick a postcode area they don't currently live in?

Not me, but I live in my dream postcode. SE1, BABY.

― ledge, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

heard leeds people talking about the ls6 but not in bradford

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

yeah LS6 is like a cult, there are t-shirts and everything

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Have I told you I did a month at the Telegraph and Argus, 600? Anyway, while vox popping on the streets there, when asking people what part of Bradford they were from I'd get a lot of "BR7" or "BR9" or whatever. Might be a young kids thing, dunno.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose this has seeped through to the Midlands as well, though:

http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/16312.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Bradford is the only part of Britain I've ever heard people refer to where they live by their postcode.

There's another one, where I used to live, thank to two weeks a year of BBC tennis coverage.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

^ thats a good single dom!!

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

but bradford is BD not BR!

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

http://hitparade.ch/cdimg/east_17-walthamstow_a.jpg

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

No EC, no credibility.

― Ed, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

BD7 and BD9 both prolly students. how come you ended up working at the telegraph & argus? where did you live? where the hell did you go out? did you wonder what that empty space was where you thought a city centre should be?

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Bah, B14 for life

I didn't vote for where I live.

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

It was when I was at Trinity and All Saints doing my journo training, they couldn't fit all of us on... whatever Leeds's main newspaper is called, so some of us were trucked off to the T&A (and papers out in Harrogate, Headingley, Otley, etc etc) instead.

Bradford reminded me of a run-down Anglian town, Corby or the rougher parts of Bedford or something. There's a really good sandwich shop near the T&A offices, though. Mango ploughman's on sliced granary. Lovely.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

No one ever really talks about 'North East London' though - it's either 'North London' or 'East London'.

There's quite a good reason for this, and one which also illustrates how pervasive the postcode thing is in London.

People don't talk about north-east London because the NE postcode was given (not unreasonably, I suppose) to Newcastle upon Tyne. Trouble is, it threw all of London's postcodes out of whack, logically speaking, so it's like north-east London doesn't exist at all!

(I picked E before reading it was meant to be about favourites not where I live - I'd have gone for N otherwise)

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

My favourite postcode fact is that while they appear numerical, they are in fact alphabetical: N2 - East Finchley, N3 - Finchley, N4 - Finsbury Park, N5 - Highbury etc etc, which explains their apparently random locations.

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

I say I live in North East London now and then tho just saying 'Hackney' usually suffices.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

great knowledge, daniel!

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sure ppl talk about North West London either, do they? I wouldn't know, I don't know anyone who lives there.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

if you knew someone who lived there i'm sure they would say 'i live in North West London' now and then.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

off hand does anyone know if there's a thread along the lines of 'how proud/attached to/defensive are you of where you came from?' i would like to read that right now.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.02138mag.com/asset/469.jpg

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Inside London and yet not.

People say "Liverpool Eight". And not just in reference to Boersma knocking one in against Stromgodset.

Wiki says: Following a report by Anthony Trollope in 1866 most of the NE district was transferred to the E sector; the rest was left without a letter designation until the introduction of the IG and RM postcodes almost a century later (though only a part of the area covered by these new codes was in the old NE London district). The S sector was divided between SE and SW in 1868.

The alphabetical thing breaks down for where I live (unless you call it Xstl Palys), but picks up again thereafter (SE20=Anerley) before the "special case" of Thamesmead.

― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

SW20 exists because SW19 has too many letters boxes, I think.

Can we also talk about telephone prefixes? 788 and 946 are kosher; 789 and 947 are, like SW20, just extensions I believe.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

This is a bit anoraky, but wikipedia lists Southeast London thus:

SE1 Head district • SE2 Abbey Wood • SE3 Blackheath • SE4 Brockley • SE5 Camberwell • SE6 Catford • SE7 Charlton • SE8 Deptford • SE9 Eltham • SE10 Greenwich • SE11 Kennington • SE12 Lee • SE13 Lewisham • SE14 New Cross • SE15 Peckham • SE16 Rotherhithe • SE17 Walworth • SE18 Woolwich • SE19 Upper Norwood • SE20 Anerley • SE21 Dulwich • SE22 East Dulwich • SE23 Forest Hill • SE24 Herne Hill • SE25 South Norwood • SE26 Sydenham • SE27 West Norwood • SE28 Thamesmead

Hope this is of some use.

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

(OK, very anoraky)

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

yea the lack of NE isnt because of newcastle, ne was transferred to e before newcastle had postcodes. if you are around clapton you can see some old streetsigns with NE on then, theres a couple around brooke rd

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

se got some later didnt they, sw is alphabetical but twice, with 2 head districts, which is why they appear to get to the end and then start again alphabetically

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

oh! my bad. my observation was admittedly based on no facts whatsoever, just what made sense to me.

if you knew someone who lived there i'm sure they would say 'i live in North West London' now and then.

I definitely said this back when I lived in Kilburn/Queens Park (NW6); but I dount I'd say it if I lived in, say, Camden (NW1).

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

nw1, nw3 and nw5 'feel' like north rather than northwest. but...the postcodes dont lie

― 600, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

nobody would say 'north west' re Camden. i blame Suggs.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

they would for the purpose of this poll

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

i consider Camden practically central London myself - or where it starts if you're southbound.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah it's true, I voted NW because I love where I live but it's central London really, the phrase 'north-west London' makes me think of weird places like Tufnell Park.

― braveclub, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 172 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

First places I think of:

N - Camden (sorry)
SE - Waterloo/South Bank
SW - Battersea/Clapham
E - Hackney
W - Ealing
NW - Harlesden/Willesden (lived there once, on the most filmed street in the country)

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose this means I have a skewed view of South of the River as being open and green and North of the River being dense and urban even though it's surely 50:50.

No, there really is a lot more parkland south of the river. Unless Richmond Park doesn't count (KT postcode?), in which case the south needs to clump a few of its bigger suburban parks together to cancel out Hampstead Heath. But may still win.

I think of:
N - Finsbury Park
E - Shoreditch
SE - Cry Pal
SW - Brixton
W - Acton
NW - Swiss Cottage

― Michael Jones, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

First places I think of:

N - Islington
SE - Bromley
SW - Westminster
E - Hackney
W - Marylebone
NW - Camden/Hampstead

― Ed, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

you people

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

"SW - Westminster"

Eh?

― Matt DC, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

"NW - Camden"

Eh?

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

But Bromley proper is BR3! The borough of Bromley is vast - you can drive SE through miles of open countryside (most of which is utterly unLondon) before you leave it.

― Michael Jones, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

Camden has an NW postcode and is in north-west London, why the confusion?

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

me:

E - Whitechapel
N - Finsbury Park
NW - Hampstead
SW - Brixton
SE - Dulwich
W - Marble Arch

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

bwahaha

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

someone told me that Hackney has more green space than any other borough.

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

steve - what??

xpost yeah, murders and green space, we got it all

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

That might be true with all them football fields and that.

Hey - we should do a London boroughs poll next. That'll split the Cryzzy Pal vote - Lambeth, Croydon, Bromley, Lewisham and Southwark all converge here.

― Michael Jones, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

steve - what??

Marble Arch. i thought you would be thinking of 'White City' at least (not that there's much to think about there i guess). have you been down to Shepherds Bush on your lunchbreaks?

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I have but frankly it feels like the moon, not west london. MO2, maybe

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

Camden has an NW postcode and is in north-west London, why the confusion?

hmph. fairy nuff on the postcode i guess but it's straight up from Oxford St which I hardly count as West London. I know it's called the west end but surely these days it's pretty much the centre.

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

..oxford circus i meant

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

actually my mental (mental!) centre of london is st giles circus (tottenham court rd station)

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I keep having this discussion with people, but the City is still technically centre of London, dunno why people think it's Oxford Circus, I mean why pick such a shitty replacement anyway?

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

...technically THE centre...

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

im not hardhearted, i do have some sympathy for the argument that camden, kentish town, dartmouth park, gospel oak, and, i guess, belsize park and hampstead should be n and not nw. but...not enough i guess

my mental centre is centrepoint

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

same here

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

But 696 if you are going by postcodes as you say, you can't make Centrepoint the centre!

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

i know, its a subjective viewpoint

although isnt centrepoint wc1?

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

i mean there are only wc and ec postcodes, there is no c

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

True but WC and EC are two halves of the City, so the centre should be in the middle of it.

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

Also if you walk west of Oxford Circus you quickly end up in nowhereland. I kind of like this area but it definitely doesn't feel like central London at all.

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

Same for if you walk east of the City...

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

true

― braveclub, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

That means that I work in the centre of the city! Most of Mount pleasant sorting office has an EC1 postcode, but WC1 starts the other side of the road from us, and we've got a WC1 postcode so our post comes to our front door rather than the main Mount one.

Actually, if Postcodes = God's own truth, then Mount Pleasant sorting office = the centre of London.

― Vicky, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

I consider Charing Cross Station and Trafalgar Square to be the 'centre' of London but Centrepoint is a good shout as well.

I once scoffed at Tim's suggestion that the exact centre of London is actually the Fleet Street McDonalds but now I think he may have had a point.

'Central London' ends at Marble Arch to the West, Waterloo and London Bridge to the South, the Old Street roundabout to the East and the Euston Tower to the North.

― Matt DC, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

liverpool st to the east

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

but yea

― 696, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Or alternatively - 'the bit that's on a closer scale at the front of the A-Z', which is pretty much the same thing.

― Matt DC, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ha I just picked my own arbitrary centre point between marble arch (w)/liverpool st(e)/camden (n)/elephant (s) and in streetmap right where I picked it said CITY OF LONDON. But the actual point was Holborn Cirus.

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I might have clicked a bit far west.

New arbitrary definition: central london = within circle line.

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

~~west~~ east

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

They use Trafalgar Square as the centre point to work out distances to the centre of London.

― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

not quite, it's charing cross

― Vicky, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

That means I live only 15 mins walk from the centre of London. RESULT.

― ledge, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

Charing Cross, hooray! I win Pin The Tail On The Centre Of London!

― Matt DC, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm,

West = Acton, Ealing, Hanwell, Southall - has to be within 15 minutes walk of the Uxbridge Road.

North West = Brent/Harrow, egads.
South West = Richmond
South = Brixton and the like
East = Anywhere east of Centre point, with a 45 degree radius.
South East = Kent and the countryside
North = that place I don't go.

― jel --, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be inclined to call anywhere past Hayes "the Green Belt".

― jel --, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

if you include richmond as part of london surely that's got more "green area" than hackney

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but Richmond is the end of the North London Line! It's the part of London I'd like to live in. But pulling hairs, yeah, 'tis Surrey.

On Oxford Street, there is a posh ladies "powder room", called WC1! I think that is now the centre of London. That or Primark.

I have realised in recent years that getting to London is easy! Ealing is 6 minutes to Paddington, then you can get a bus!

― jel --, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

I've never been to Hackney!

― jel --, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

I have realised in recent years that getting to London is easy! Ealing is 6 minutes to Paddington, then you can get a bus!

i told ya this on a fap thread years ago!

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, I know, I was just sorta phased and didn't process the info properly.

― jel --, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

i really like that stretch between the two places, esp. when you go right past the Trellick and then can see Westbourne Park station on the other side.

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

omg this thread - i love you

― emsk, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

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