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So, Mormon running for president, blah blah blah. "It's the fastest growing church!" And a new reason to spank Al Sharpton, altho I think most people <i>don't actually like the Mormon religion</i>. I could be wrong abt the general consensus here, tho, so a poll.

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p.s. I grew up in the Mormon religion hardcore, I know most everything about it, so if you have any questions ask me, and I'll answer without sending two men to your door.

Poll Results

Option	Votes
It's a cult	15
Funny underwear	15
Just another gotdanged church	13
How do I got rid of missionaries?	6
Relatively innocuous	5
I grew up Mormon, too	1
Fastest growing church!	0

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

(h) adam schefter

― and what, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

My father and grandmother are LDS. I have no problem with the church even it does compete pretty heavily with the Catholic church in terms of dogma. It's not for me, but I don't mind the fact that it is for some.

Some religions wear funny hats. Some wear funny underwear. It's all about faith.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

I can't get past all the Joseph Smith stuff.

― Gukbe, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's pretty similar to Catholicism, moreso than it is to an other xtian church, which is funny bcz they interpret Revelations' WHORE OF BABYLON to be the Catholic Church (surprise).

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

similiar to catholicism how? cetainly not in dogma asks lapsed catholic

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

The heirarchies and having a living spokesman of God. That and the general cultural thing of making lots of babies. Mormons can use birth control, they just crank 'em all out for fun.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

I was always jealous of how seemingly easy the repentance process was for Catholics.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

what about the thing where there are only 130,000 places in heaven or something?

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

That's Jehova's Witnesses. Mormons have a three-tired heaven & no hell.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

tiered

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

sounds reasonable

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

Also #=140,000

I went to a meeting of theirs once. They passed around the sacrament, but you're only supposed to take it if it's been revealed you're one of the 140k. I was so tempted to just take a big swig.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

My grandmother says I won't ever see the upper-tier, but that's okay because the second and third tiers are pretty nice in their own right.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

tiers in heaven

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

how do you know what tier you're going to?

abbott that would have been hilarious.

― Maria, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

The bottome tier is supposed to be just like Earth but a little nicer, but no drugs/alcohol/cigs, so if you're an addict you'll be jonesing FOR-E-VER.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Celestial Kingdom

The celestial kingdom is the highest of the three kingdoms of glory. Those in this kingdom will dwell forever in the presence of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. This should be your goal: to inherit celestial glory and to help others receive that great blessing as well. Such a goal is not achieved in one attempt; it is the result of a lifetime of righteousness and constancy of purpose.

From another revelation to the Prophet Joseph, we learn that there are three degrees within the celestial kingdom. To be exalted in the highest degree and continue eternally in family relationships, we must enter into "the new and everlasting covenant of marriage" and be true to that covenant. In other words, temple marriage is a requirement for obtaining the highest degree of celestial glory. (See D&C 131:1–4.) All who are worthy to enter into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage will have that opportunity, whether in this life or the next.

Terrestrial Kingdom

Those who inherit terrestrial glory will "receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father. Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun" (D&C 76:77–78). Generally speaking, individuals in the terrestrial kingdom will be honorable people "who were blinded by the craftiness of men" (D&C 76:75). This group will include members of the Church who were "not valiant in the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:79). It will also include those who rejected the opportunity to receive the gospel in mortality but who later received it in the postmortal spirit world (see D&C 76:73–74). To learn more about those who will inherit terrestrial glory, see Doctrine and Covenants D&C 76:71–80, 91, 97.

Telestial Kingdom

Telestial glory will be reserved for individuals who "received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:82). These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is sometimes called hell (see D&C 76:84, D&C 76:106). A detailed explanation of those who will inherit telestial glory is found in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–90, 98–106, 109–112.

Perdition

Some people will not be worthy to dwell in any kingdom of glory. They will be called "the sons of perdition" and will have to "abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory" (D&C 76:32; 88:24). This will be the state of "those who know [God's] power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy [God's] power" (D&C 76:31; see also D&C 76:30, 32–49).

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Terrestrial folks got baptised for the dead.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

bad jehovah's witness odds, from wikipedia:

It is also taught that 144,000 people will receive immortal life in heaven

Official world-wide membership of the organization ... is 6.7 million as of August 2006

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

The more quotidian parts of the LDS church are pretty much acceptable to me. There's a lot of holier-than-thou piety, but it gives one a very strong sense of belonging, too. You even get some institutional security in exchange for your tithes; those Mormons really do take care of their own.

The actual dogmas of the church seem pretty wicked to me - most especially the secret doctrines. The upper reaches of the LDS do resemble a fairly nasty cult, and I say: less power to them!

― Aimless, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, you have to beg for the food welfare if you're poor, and when you get it it's some nasty stuff.

The people are generally as nice and kind, per capita, as you'll find in any church. They do teach preparedness really well, which is good, although it means I'm always handing out pens/paper/guitar strings/batteries/candles.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

I've been up some LDS HQ tower in SLC, I just remembered

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone whose been to the temple is part of the secret doctrines, which is most Mormon adults/returned missionaries/married couples.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

do you believe in the angel moroni & the gold plates?

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

and one of the first sherlock holmes stories has mormons in

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

I used to believe in all that stuff, now I don't. It's just kind of comical to me.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

they're really rather nasty in the sherlock holmes story

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://a222.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00442/12/21/442451221_l.jpg

Here I am presenting golden plates to Joseph Smith.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Howard Hughes would have only Mormon bodyguards.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I remember that, too

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

maybe mormons = the white black muslims?

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

no offense intended

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

way to go

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, I'm not Mormon anymore. Getting out of that church is like escaping from the elephant graveyard. So, no offense taken.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

you should read that sherlock holmes story

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

"a study in scarlett"

it was the v first s holmes story, actually

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

probably "a study in scarlet", actually

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

Abbott is that you? You look like a girl I disliked on study abroad (because she disliked me first!), which is alarming, but I like you on ILX so I will not conflate you!

I don't like the part about temple marriage being necessary for heaven. At least more traditional Christian denominations have room for, well, not marrying (a Catholic friend told me that in the Catholic church, you can have a calling to the priesthood or a calling to marriage, and when I asked what if you don't have either, she said 'Then you have a calling to be single' - awesome!). Also, what about the gays? :(

― Maria, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

in the big irish catholic families one child out of 9 or 10 would traditionally abstain from getting married or entering priest/nunhood in order to take care of elderly parents when that day came.

let's face it no organized religion is tolerant of homosexuality

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

I voted for it's a cult. and I consider my own former religion the roman catholic church to be a cult too, albeit a pretentious one.

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

what's scientology's position on homosexuality?

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

they offer a "cure" lolz

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

It's got a recent history more fucked up than other American religions and at least with most Christian sects the really goofy stuff happened far enough back to work as mythology (where who can really believe that God came down from on high and said you couldn't have multiple wives right as the feds started pushing the issue?).

OTOH, is it any weirder than transubstantiation?

― milo z, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

Racism and magical underwear all aside, Mormon doctrine seems notably less punitive than fire-and-brimstone Protestants or Pope Benny's Catholicism. So I guess that's a point in their favor.

― milo z, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

I was on mushrooms once, eating chicken, and became convinced the miracle of transubstantiation was occuring while the food was still in my mouth. Disturbing.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

tripping in church = classic or dud?

― m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

The UCC is supportive of homosexuality, and some other Protestant denominations have various degrees of tolerance in individual congregations. (One Methodist minister of a mostly gay congregation said that other Methodist ministers call her to tell gay people they're not going to hell because while the other ministers may think that, they don't want to actually SAY it, and would rather send in somebody supportive. WEIRD dynamic.)

xpost probably classic?

― Maria, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

mormons are generally exceedingly nice, but in my experience, scratch the surface a little and a not so attractive elitism is revealed

― gershy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

If you can't be righteous, you can at least be self-righteous.

― Abbott, Saturday, 12 May 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

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My aunt's racist dog loves the temple:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5311/uhwtf.jpg

― I X Love (Abbott), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)

holy shit

― Quiet, I'm making my Youtube Star Wars Review (Z S), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)

Hold the phone, do they even allow dogs in the temple? Something's fishy.

― Quiet, I'm making my Youtube Star Wars Review (Z S), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)

They don't even allow most humans in the temple.

― I X Love (Abbott), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:47 (fifteen years ago)

TARBABY?

― ian, Friday, 1 January 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)

They just put "Baby" on her collar tag, which shows they know the general public would probably rightly think her name is fucked up.

― I X Love (Abbott), Friday, 1 January 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

poor dog stuck with that

― Maria, Friday, 1 January 2010 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

They just put "Baby" on her collar tag, which shows they know the general public would probably rightly think her name is fucked up.

"Honey, what does it mean when it says 'everyone' can see the Facebook profile?"

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 January 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

"Just your friends can see it, I swear it!!"

― Quiet, I'm making my Youtube Star Wars Review (Z S), Friday, 1 January 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

Is Tarbaby a black pug! ;_;

― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Friday, 1 January 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

er, that was a q

― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Friday, 1 January 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)

She is a shih tzu, tho they have another dog named Wonton that is a pug.

― I X Love (Abbott), Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

lol

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:40 (fifteen years ago)

who does that really

― Don't delay, we cannot do this forever. (Matt P), Saturday, 2 January 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

Signed by Nephite #2!

― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Sunday, 7 March 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Finally someone else gets in on this sweet business plan

― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago)

I was explaining the "tiered heaven" thing in this thread to a friend over lunch.

"Apparently there's no hell, just a lower tier that is like this world, only a little better."

"Oh, they still have a middle class there?"

― mh, Monday, 1 November 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

If I had my way, that person would get an instant pass to the Terrestrial Kingdom – that is the first time I have ever laughed at a "death of the middle class" joke.

― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

I see there is a name for the area I have lived in most of my life: the Mormon Corridor, which is apparently a big menstrual stain on the Rocky Mountains + AZ.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Map_of_USA_highlighting_Jello_Belt.png

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_USA_highlighting_Jello_Belt.png";

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:09 (fourteen years ago)

That man's behavior is almost as bad as growing your hair longer than the top of your ears.

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)

omg check their two question faq: https://honorcode.byu.edu/

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:12 (fourteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Savn0.png

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

also I love that BYU is savvy enough to practice SEO

https://honorcode.byu.edu/content/what-process-obtaining-beard-waiver

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:26 (fourteen years ago)

A student who wishes to obtain a beard exception must visit a BYU Student Health Center doctor by appointment (422.5156). The doctor will fax his recommendation. The student then needs to come to the Honor Code Office to fill out some paperwork and receive the letter allowing the growth of the beard, if approved. If a yearly beard exception is granted, a new Student ID will be issued after the beard has been fully grown, and must be renewed every year by repeating the process.

If a request is granted for a temporary or more permanent beard exception the student will be notified by the Honor Code Office; at which time the student will come into the office to complete the necessary paperwork. After completion of this process the student may then grow a full beard according the guidelines given.

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:27 (fourteen years ago)

If a yearly beard exception is granted, a new Student ID will be issued after the beard has been fully grown, and must be renewed every year by repeating the process.

I love that this implies that one reason for growing a beard is to evade recognition, possibly from the authorities - not so fast, Abraham!

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)

Not one bit helpful if you want a beard waver for styling your chin locks

http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=140&uid=946703859

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 02:28 (fourteen years ago)

btw if anyone wants to get upset about something at BYU – don't get mad at them junking the ball player – BYU still uses electroshock & aversion therapy techniques on gay students, that's what you should be upset about...

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)

BEARD WAIVER

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

^damn. why would you go there if you were gay? or straight and wanted to have sex, like this bball player apparently did?

― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

― unusually tight body for a comedian (Matt P), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)

mormonia

http://www.creativeclass.com/creative_class/_wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/FBMap.png

― fit and working again, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.thebondjourney.com/images/never-say-never-again-domination-game.jpg

― a murder rap to keep ya dancin, with a crime record like Keith Chegwin (snoball), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

Win.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

Also I really wanted that damn game.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know - some strange guy saying that he wants to play a game with me that he invented called 'Domination'? I'd skip it personally.

― a murder rap to keep ya dancin, with a crime record like Keith Chegwin (snoball), Friday, 4 March 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah but Cylon voices.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 19:45 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

It wasn't until I was 14 or 15 that I realized there was no rule in the Mormon church against using garlic or credit cards. It was just that my parents didn't like those things.

― Looking Man (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 04:11 (fourteen years ago)

I feel for you on that garlic thing. I dated someone who had a father who was ultra-sensitive to onions so she didn't really eat onions, and as a result, didn't like when I used them in cooking. There are some things that you just have to have.

Still not discounting the possibility you're actually from a family of vampires, though.

― mh, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:36 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6995094477_3a7e649721.jpg

― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:34 (thirteen years ago)

How the fuck?

― kate78, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:35 (thirteen years ago)

http://sexymodest.com/

― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:36 (thirteen years ago)

http://sexymodest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AboutUS.png

― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:36 (thirteen years ago)

FastFoodHealthy
restaurant

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:37 (thirteen years ago)

A lot of the clothes on that site are NOT LDS-style modest, lame!
Not partic "sexy" either.

― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:39 (thirteen years ago)

The tank tops with descriptions ARE recommending to wear them over a blank t-shirt, which is totally Mormon, so I feel a little better.

― chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:40 (thirteen years ago)

Oxymormon

― owenf, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

Was talking with my mom recently (Lutheran, but very interested in other beliefs) about Joseph Smith, and specifically the story of the golden plates and the seer stones, Urim and Thummim -- except she kept calling them Uma and Thurman.

― Mafia-owned bar for transvestites (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

I think that was my "I grew up Mormon, too!" vote.

― 'Sit pax in valle tamesis' ('Let there be Peace in the Thames Valley') (Viceroy), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

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