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thos wacky brits flummox again , and i am about to google it , i want opinion laced w. fact

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

new question . What is perry ?

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

newer question: how is real ale real ? Is there fake ale ?

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

last question , is this related to the slow food movement ?

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Campaign for Real Ale. Established probably in the late 1960s with the aim of retaining availability of traditional bitters in pubs (and resisting the introduction of horrible lagers and 'gassy' keg bitters). Saying someone looks like a member of CAMRA is a form of insult (similar to 'train-spotter'). They do tend to be middle-aged and without fashion sense. However 'real ale' is not a joke. It is very nice.

― David Inglesfield, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think CAMRA people look cool. They have a certain joie de vivre, a willingness to enjoy life in a jolly fashion. If they were German they would listen to oompah band music.

― DV, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so what is real ale , i am sorry if this is a stupid question, what is perry ? Any other answers

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Perry is the drink of the gods, it is like cider only made from pears We found a stall selling perry at the last Glastonbury (ROCKISTS that we are) and it was bloody marvellous inducing a euphoric trance like state. Num num.

― Emma, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

perry = cider made from pears hurrah!
CAMRA = the Anti-Bud League boo

they fear gas = they are chumps

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Half man Half biscuit did a song called CAMRA man, which pretty much sums them up.

I'm sure it's on Audiogalaxy, if not it's on their album "Voyage to the bottom of the road"

― chris, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

calling beer "ale" can surely fuck off btw: if not can we start calling ptee the poete "mine host"?

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prejudice against CAMRA is based on:

- their dress sense (this is unfair and would be trebly unfair coming from me!)

- their obsessiveness (a stereotype I suspect)

- their extension of dislike of lager to disdain for people who drink it (possibly falls under 'turnabout is fair play', may be a baseless slur)

- their extension of the noble aim of preserving real ale to encompass other sections of pub lifestyle leading to a general perception of them as anti-modern and anti-fun (may again be a baseless slur).

― Tom, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a question too, what is the slow food movement? It sounds like a description of the human digestive system but is presumably some kind of anti-fast food thing. Do they go round bombing KFCs?

― Emma, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If they were German they would listen to oompah band music.

A lot of them like Morris Dancing I think.

― David Inglesfield, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pease porridge in the pot nine days old num!

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know if that's strictly true. But in the stereotype there is overlap, for sure.

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Real ale is ale manufactured in such a way as it remains live: the cute little bacteria chaps which busy themselves making sugar into alcohol stay alive in the barrel/bottle and the beer continues to ferment.

The alternative being beer which is brewed and pasteurised in the brewery and which reaches the pub or shelf dead.

The other alternative being drinking something else entirely.

I don't fear gas: I fear its indiscriminate use.

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'The Indiscriminate Use Of Gas' = the lost Magazine album.

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is a movement started in italy that advocates pleasure in food, an obsession with local food prepared plainly , that sort of thing. Its a very good thing : i cannot be arsed to do blue letters but heres the webssite http://www.slowfood.com/cgi- bin/SlowFood.dll/slowfood_com/scripts/default.jsp

― anthony, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

helenfo... please explain to the fules on this thread what beer is. Thankyou.

― Jeff W, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim = knows his stuff. Emma, the slow food people started off in Italy as a reaction to fast food outlets spreading across their country. They promote small manufacturers, farmers etc and good quality produce in general. I would dearly love to be invited to one of their banquets, they sound amazing.

― chris, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...not that there's anything wrong with Morris Dancing. I quite like it myself.

― David Inglesfield, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ale is not a synonym for beer, but rather the name of a subset of beers which encompasses all non-lagered beers. It's therefore a pretty useful term, and one I would not like to fuck off in any manner whatsoever.

― RickyT, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sugar to alcohol fellers = yeasts not bacteria. Tim is OTM otherwise.

― RickyT, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ale also = perfectly sound catch-all term for all booze.

I thought yeast was a kind of bacterium. Shows how much I know. Back onto the Yakult for me, then.

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeff, a great deal of the best Belgian beer (to which I assume you refer) is also 'real'.

Top fermentation, mmmm...

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeasts are fungi.

― RickyT, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I'll be dogged on Sheep Dip.

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okey-doke then wise guys, what is the difference between porter and stout? (NB I actually do want to know.)

― Sam, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The slow food mafia clearly don't have busy and important lives like what I do. As the world's fastest eater I heartily disapprove of their shenanigans.

― Emma, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeast is a type of fungus. I didn't think that ale encompassed stout, porter, or wheat beers.

― MarkH, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Slow food started in Italy, I know not more, but if Ed spies this thread he'll fill in the blanks, Emma.

― suzy, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CAMRA are the original anti corporate protest consumer group as discussed here.

No morris dancers up here sadly, but I do know someone who's involved in scorping, which is basically morris dancing with swords.

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stout is a kind of porter.

Quite a good shortish overview of real ale history here.

Does anyone here know which of the UK communist parties CAMRA was clasely affiliated to?

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is this the kind of question that has a punchline as an answer?

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's an explanation of the name Porter meaning beer/ale in the Biography of London, iirc it's because it was a slightly weaker brew devised so the market porters could drink lots of it in the day to quench their thirsts.

I could be completely wrong here.

― chris, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

morris dancing with swords!!! THAT fully ROxxOrs surely!!

Tim surely it was the good old CPGB? It is of course one of life's ironies that I work at the Cr*fts Counc*l, which on some days is like the CAMRA of art (except entirely staffed by women).

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also if ale has live fungus instead of gas, where does that leave vegans?

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cr*fts Counc*l

Damn those coy asterisks. Is it Crafts of Crufts?

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

of = or

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CAMRA men!

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.brewbyyou.net/Html/Images/CAMRA.jpg

CAMRA guide!

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.catshill.com/camra/photo/lax.jpg

Is this photo real?

(from the Redditch & Bromsgrove branch of CAMRA website, linked to above)

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

waht about the guy with algae on his face then?

― MarkH, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Pends on your definition of live, but most vegans don't appear to have a problem with culling broad beans or Mushrooms so I doubt it would be a problem. The real problem ale wise with your vegan is finings.

― Pete, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.btinternet.com/~john.asher/rapper/swordspec2000/photos /scorpers4sm.jpg

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Billy, is there tar or fire involved?

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.craftscouncil.org.uk/gifs/mags/mj02.jpg

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

welcome to ENGLAND anthony!! everything on this thread is included in your tour, nay compulsory

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope just swords. They dance around Morris dancer style to trad folk music and at the end make a star (?) with the swords. More info here.

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, I've just noticed there's a group called the gay blades. Very fetching lilac background too. Something for everyone in merry old England.

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They should cover the swords in TAR and set them ALIGHT for proper fun.

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am disappointed that Mark S. is not on the Crufts Council.

― N., Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't think he was that sort of otherkin.

― RickyT, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, aren't you coming to England soon? You must drink many pints of real ale, accompanied by some ready salted crisps for nutritional purposes.

― DV, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DV is nearly OTM there but veers off at the last moment when he uses the words "ready salted" when he clearly means "bizarre synthetic meat flavour".

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And packets of roasted pig back.

― Jonnie, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(the A in CAMRA in fact stands for "Ale but *Fake* Crisps")

i'm not sure what "real" crisps are: real pork scratchings are the (hand)picked scabs from scrofulous pigZoR

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BEST THREAD EVAH!!!!!

― katie, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

MMMM, Scrofula.

― RickyT, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow! APPLE (The Apple and Pear Product Liaison Executive) is the official group within CAMRA set up to promote traditional cider and perry.

― Jonnie, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

traditional = no one has cleaned out the barrels since 1247, not even when old Amos was overcome by the stench, fell in and drowned in the fabled Long Summer of 1833

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think its more traditional as in not Babycham or Pomagne.

― Pete, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anthony would surely prefer babycham...

(as would i: it is the bud of the sparkling wines, no?)

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is not WINE it is PERRY!

― drinks pedant, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The bud of the sparkling perrys more like.

― Pete, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete decided the other day that it would be great to make champagne cocktails with BabyCham. And this man is allowed to run a bar, I ask you.

Does anyone know of any way of making Piat d'Or drinkable as someone brought a bottle round to our flat and it being bouze we are reluctant to pour it down the sink. We are thinking of adding some grapefruit juice to counteract the sweetness. Alternatively if anyone is having a party invite us and we'll bring it round and dump it on you.

― Emma, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it has to be Ready Salted crisps. See my new crisps thread.

― DV, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

if beer and stout and [xx] are all ALES, then wine and perry and babycham are all WHAT?

emma all rubbish wine is great to cook with: hmmm i can give you a bonkers californian recipe for brussels sprouts, grapes and white wine if you like (tho i think that wanted chablis properly) (it is disgusting either way)

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Brussels sprouts, ewww. How could adding Piat D'Or help? And I am scared to eat grapes after watching From Hell yesterday.

― Emma, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They don't eat brussel sprouts in california??? Do they?

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why would they?

― Tim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes they do

― mark s, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am all in favor of perry for fairly obvious reasons.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blimey, another illusion shattered. i'm surprised I haven't heard Dre or Ice-T rapping about them, must be more of a Beverly Hills type thing.

― Billy Dods, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My question stands.

― , Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beer?

― j>e>l, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why not just drink everclear with food coloring?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

YUM!

― Dan Perry, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Food coloring causes cancer.

― Kris, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and "California cuisine" (mostly variations on or fusions of continental and asian cuisines emphasizing freshly picked, organic vegetables) was invented on the rich side of Berkeley, if that helps at all to explain why when Snoop get tha munchies he aint be messin wit dem brussels sprouts (though "broccoli" is a particularly west-coast slang term for cannabis, esp. amongst "urban" circles).

― Kris, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Food coloring causes cancer.

No more Red No. 2 for me!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I once knew how to do some of that swords dancing stuff, when I was very small - they only let us practice with crossed broomsticks instead tho, so we wouldn't cut our feet off. I've forgotten completely now. Drat. Surely it's a skill that would've come in handy somewhere.

― Kim, Monday, 25 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sometimes the fierce activity inside the cask blows the peg clear out of its bung hole and the working beer, liberated from the confines of the cask, hits the cellar ceiling in a bibulous orgasm.

Im not sure their talking about real ale here.

― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 27 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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