Explain hot dish

minnesotan for a casserole. potatoes and green beans are popular ingredients.

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THIS IS A TRADITIONAL HOTDISH, SERVED "LUTHERAN BRUNCH MEETING" STYLE.

Don't let John fool you: those are actually Episcopalians, and that's a casserole.

"Hot dish" is supposed to have a can of cream of mushroom soup in it.

When I was served it was not potatoes but "tater tots". Haute cuisine it was not. Hell it wasn't even hearty cuisine.

A typical recipe. I found this is the First English Lutheran Church cookbook, from Cannon Falls, MN (the church my grandmother goes to). I will copy it exactly as written:

Chicken Hot Dish

2 c. diced chicken
1/2 c. diced onion
1 c. diced celery
Mushroom pieces
1 c. mushroom soup
Approx. 2 c. chow mein noodles

Combine all ingredients; add more liquid if it seems dry. Bake at 350 degrees.

Variation: Cashews or almonds may be added to mixture and/or sprinkled on top. Chow mein noodles may be added to top.

Is hot dish like hot lunch?

Is hot lunch a casserole with crm of mushroom/celery/chix soup in it? If so then y.

Otherwise, n.

No it isn't.

There are approximately 15 pages of recipes like the one I posted, all of which will come out tasting remarkably similar to one another - no matter what "cream of" soup you add or whether you are using chicken or hamburger.

Hell it wasn't even hearty cuisine.

Every time I have to eat hot dish, I wind up going home and eating something else afterward.

ha ha, no, "hot lunch" is totally different. Unless hot dish is on the menu.

I'm being snarky. I know. But that's what "hot dish" reminds me off.

I kind of want to challenge Ned to make hot dish and then post pictures to the cooking thread.

HOT DISH

http://mary-louise-parker.konta.waw.pl/galerie/IMAGES/mary-louise-parker-5.jpg

Please makes sure you don't accidently ask for him to do a hot lunch.

Even I would never go that far.

Astounding.

WHITE PEOPLE FOOD

Someone needs to make lutefisk hotdish.

lutefisk = fish jello

i like recipes that involve the phrase "combine all ingredients"

xp Oh I know what it is! :D

The college I went to has an annual lutefisk dinner that people actually pay to go to. I will never forget the smell of the cafeteria and the surrounding building. Very distracting right before finals!

wait, dan m, you're not a Minnesotan, are you?

No, I'm from MI, but I have some very very Norweigian Minnesotan friends.

I know what lutefisk is but unfortunately this is b/c I sometimes listen to Garrison Keilor.

hotdish does not sound very appealing to me :(

No, I'm from MI, but I have some very very Norweigian Minnesotan friends.

Everything is clear now.

chicken pasta hot dish (has cornflakes in it, even!)

i feel lucky that i never had to try lutefisk

The hot dish can be topped with Chow Mein Noodles or Durkee Fried Onions after 1/2 hour of baking time.

my Lutheran cookbook has a pizza hot dish that is essentially potatos 'n' ground beef (we use fake ground beef, sacrilege I know) and tomato sauce w/oregano and cumin, topped with cheese and of course baked at 350 for an hour

I KNOW REAL RECOGNIZE REAL

tastes about like any other food-extending all-in-one easy-bake casserole. the grand success of campbells was convincing people to use their condensed soups as a pre-made flavoring, spicing, and sauce for big meals.

its true Platonic nature remains elusive

Here we have the unanswered question. The soul of hot dish, its sine qua non is a certain bland satisfaction. The more deeply it dives into the subliminal, preconscious, mindless desire for belly-fullness, while still presenting to the concious mind (and tongue) a surface quality of blandness**, the more perfect the hot dish recipe.

**The concept of blandness, as used in this context, is not synonymous with lack of flavor, but more accurately denotes an equalness, or indistinguishability, among flavors, in rather the same way that a plateau may rise above a plain, while still resembling it in flatness.

the symbolic iconography of hotdish

btw Aimless I seriously think you have nailed something pretty key above

The dish is usually seasoned lightly with salt and pepper, and it may be eaten with ketchup as a condiment.

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Cream of mushroom soup is so ubiquitous in hotdish that it is often referred to in such recipes as “Lutheran Binder,” referring to hotdish’s position as a staple of Lutheran church cookbooks. The soup is considered a defining ingredient by some commentators.[4]

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Hotdish.jpg

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hotdish and brett favre hatred are the only rational reasons why anyone would hate on MN AFAIC.

ugh cream of mushroom soup

i mean why

Aimless's post is a thing of beauty.

(Hotdish is not.)

xpost hot dish sounds like the devils vomit. please let's not discuss this ever again.

― everyone kills people (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Monday, January 25, 2010 12:01 AM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark

i can't believe it exists! i should have voted for a midwestern state in the worst state poll

Hotdish is an integral element of the book Hotdish to Die For, a collection of six culinary mystery short stories in which the weapon of choice is hotdish.

THNKNG U WIKIPEDIA

poisoning, poisoning, poisoning, bludgeon, poisoning, poisoning

poisoning, poisoning, poisoning, bludgeon, poisoning, poisoning

what, did they bludgeon the victim with a hot dish casserole dish?

oh ha no i just threw that in myself. i have no idea.

open refrigerator in dark kitchen. stand three feet from refrigerator. throw four darts at refrigerator; sauté in pan. add one can cream of mushroom soup and bake for two hours. serve on bed of ritz crackers or egg noodles, depending on which you have more of.

I meant to say earlier, this is a very good recipe for dart hotdish.

"yeah? what is it?"
"I want you to give me a fudge puppy"
"Explain fudge puppy."

*kramer storms into room*

okay I thought my brain was broken at brunch a la ramon but then I kept reading and yeah now I will never be clean again

"this isn't happening"

ok lol this thread has made me feel better about myself

And it is a screenname goldmine.

testing

http://www.midwestliving.com/recipe/meat/cheeseburger-and-fries-casserole/

* 2 pounds lean ground beef
* 1 10-3/4-ounce can condensed golden mushroom soup
* 1 10-3/4-ounce can condensed cheddar cheese soup
* 1 20-ounce package frozen, fried crinkle-cut potatoes
* Hamburger toppings (choose from catsup, pickles, mustard and chopped tomato)

(other recipes in this issue of Midwest Living include "French Spaghetti" and "Pizza in a Bowl")

I'm kind of bugged out at the idea of condensed cheese soup to begin with tbh

Let us consider anew.

There is hotdish and then there is...

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/730443379918680064

lol

i had a friend who did the thing where you use 'borrow me a ____' instead of 'lend me a ____' and i thought she was just being dumb and didn't learn that it was a minnesotan thing until several years later after i fell out of contact with her

A new front:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/dining/amy-klobuchar-hotdish.html

Bold use of pepper jack, though as the article warns, maybe too spicy for Iowans.

Ilhan Omar’s recipe sounds wild.

Maybe this is why my mother’s a Klobuchar fan.

Hotdish came up in the livestream MST3K Q&A just now and the passionate arguments for what it constitutes reconfirmed the debate in this thread. The non-Midwesterners were very confused.

This makes the cold all worth it. pic.twitter.com/QD6Q8hc956

— Governor Tim Walz (@GovTimWalz) January 11, 2022

<3

In light of the Walz nomination it is important to see if there is new input on this grave matter.

https://www.kare11.com/article/life/food/recipes/rep-tim-walzs-winning-hotdish-recipe/89-107523676

Walz's winning "Turkey Trot Tater-Tot Hotdish" recipe:
1 pound of fresh green beans, chopped into bite sized pieces
4 slices of Hormel bacon
1 clove of garlic, finely chopped
6 tablespoons butter
5-6 tablespoons flour
2 ½ cups Whole milk
½ cup half and half
2 teaspoons salt
3 cups Kraft shredded sharp cheddar cheese
1 pound Jennie-O ground turkey
½ teaspoon sage
1 teaspoon pepper
1 egg
1 tablespoon olive oil
½ cup green onions
¼ cup chopped onions
1 ½ cup chopped baby bella mushrooms washed and well dried
1 package tater tots
Pre-heat the oven to 375 F.
In a medium bowl, mix turkey, garlic, sage, green onions, egg, pepper and one teaspoon salt.
Using a 10-inch cast iron skillet, heat the olive oil and then cook the turkey to the well-done temperature of 165 F and place in 9-by-13-inch baking dish. (Browning similar as you would for ground beef).
Blanch the green beans by dropping them into boiling water for 2-3 minutes. Using a slotted spoon, remove and plunge them into ice water. Once cool, drain completely and gently mix them in with the turkey in the dish.
Fry the bacon until crispy then chop into ¼-inch pieces. Add bacon into turkey mixture.
Heat 2 tablespoons of butter. As soon as you see that the butter foam has begun to subside, indicating it is hot enough, add the mushrooms. Stir continuously and gently with wooden spoon for 4-5 minutes or for about 2 minutes after browning point. Remove from heat and add to casserole dish.
In a sauce pan, melt remaining butter over medium heat. Little by little, sprinkle flour into the butter. Let cook for 2 minutes, then slowly whisk in the milk and half and half. Cook for 2 more minutes, add diced onions and salt and pepper. After a minute, stir in 2 ½ cups of cheese until melted.
Pour cheese mixture over the ingredients.
Scatter tater tots over the top and remaining cheese.
Bake 45 minutes or until golden brown.

The hero we need

idk man, fresh herbs and non-canned mushrooms in a hotdish??? liberal elitism knows no bounds

oh jeez that sounds good

I love how when I clicked on the link a video pops up showing Minnesotans how to make a Jersey breakfast sando with Taylor ham/pork roll.

personal lolz looking back thru the thread:

wait, dan m, you're not a Minnesotan, are you?

― Sara R-C, Friday, June 15, 2007 11:25 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

No, I'm from MI, but I have some very very Norweigian Minnesotan friends.

― dan m, Friday, June 15, 2007 11:26 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

now 11 years married to one of those friends :)

It's good to have friends!

now 11 years married to one of those friends :)

Awwwwww...

most of my father's side are MN Swedes

(^^^^^^ That is one of the most complicated recipes I've ever encountered)

Which is why you're going to start working on it now, for us.

Here's another Walz hotdish recipe:

What’s a hotdish you ask? Here’s an award-winning recipe of mine to get you started: pic.twitter.com/r9H2f1ntFu

— Tim Walz (@Tim_Walz) July 29, 2024

Now I wanna see Humphrey & Mondale's hotdish recipes, to see how they match up

I think the main thing I failed to understand about hotdish was that minnesotans get competitive about it.

Y’all. Check these out, especially Ilhan Omar’s recipe: https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/i/cbslocal/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909630/2019/04/2019-mn-congressional-delegation-hotdish-recipe-book.pdf

Now that looks awesome

omar's looks very good and even kind of healthy! tater tots in a chaat is inspired.

I think the main thing I failed to understand about hotdish was that minnesotans get competitive about it.

― trm (tombotomod), Tuesday, August 6, 2024 1:06 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just imagine decades of Lutheran church basement potluck cleanup when some dishes are scraped clean and others have a few servings left uneaten

(^^^^^^ That is one of the most complicated recipes I've ever encountered)

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, August 6, 2024 12:33 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is my issue with Walz's hotdish, hotdish should not be complicated, it should be "do this, do this, throw this on top, bake at 350 for 20", it should never feature the word "blanch"

rampant foodism has crept in everywhere. used to be that "gourmet" just meant a recipe had capers in it

xp it looks like that recipe has been written by some ConAgra test kitchen, lots of brand names... I'll bet Walz would probably do it more like you describe

Wondering why Fargo never had any competitive hotdish subterfuge going on.

(The TV show I mean, in case that wasnt clear)

Might be time to rewatch this gem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSzwoJr4-0

An overview of hotdish begins at just after 15 mins

Lovely Jurassic technology in that! Also the book is hilarious.

"bake at anywhere between 400 and 700 degrees" love it.

From a reader comment sent in to Defector on the upcoming Minnesota Vikings season:

The Vikings are like a Minnesota hotdish. The ingredients seem promising when you’re putting it together. Heck, it even smells delicious in the oven, building your appetite to a fever pitch in anticipation of taking that first, heavenly bite. But when it’s time to feast, it’s just undercooked tater tots and sadness underneath.

the vikings do indeed suck but it's definitely not fair to hot dish to be compared to them like that