Best Walter Hill Movie

im probably the only one here who rates 'last man standing' and 'extreme prejudice'.

i like all of his movies. but some are more walter hill-ish than others. i don't know if it really makes a difference if brewster's millions was directed by him, you know? there is a lot of paycheck work involved. and then there is stuff like trespass which seems like it would be paycheck work and ends up being some sort of genre greatness. the warriors will probably win. but, man, do i love the long riders and southern comfort. i love streets of fire too!

and i'll take last man standing and extreme prejudice over 48 hours any day.

the supernova story is a strange one:

"Supernova is a perfect example of a studio screwing up everything. MGM had their minds on a 'sexy and hip' type movie while director Walter Hill was making a dark, 'logical' sci-fi movie. After the studio screwed with his movie, he took off. The movie was then taken charge by such directors as Francis Ford Coppola, and Jack Sholder (The Hidden). Well to make a long story short, MGM directed this movie, not as they say in the credits, 'Thomas Lee'. The movie ended up being about an entire crew doing nothing but screwing each other (literally), while bad stuff happens around them. That's it.

I highly recommend everybody who has seen this movie to check out the DVD. There they can see all the deleted scenes that the studio cut out. Check them out, then you think about it. Would you like to have seen the type of movie portrayed in the deleted scenes, or in the current turd that was released to the entire world? IMHO, I'd like to see the movie in the deleted scenes. Let's just hope that MGM has learned it's lesson with such flops like this and Rollerball."

What's Trespass about, Scott?

Is that the Crossroads starring the Karate Kid?

Maverick director Walter Hill, who had a big hit with 48 Hrs., indulges his customary yen for violent and disturbing scenes in this overlooked action film, which was also released under the name Looters. Set in the economically-depressed town of East St. Louis, IL, the film's release was delayed several months because its riot scenes were too similar to those that actually took place in the summer of 1992 in L.A. Bill Paxton plays Vince and Bill Sadler plays Don. They are a couple of good-old-boy firefighters who are tipped off that some stolen gold treasures have been hidden in an old warehouse. They find and enter the building but witness a brutal murder. The gangland killing is part of a turf battle between two rival drug lords. When one of them finds out that the firemen have seen the execution, he orders the witnesses murdered. But they have found the treasure and have kidnapped one gang leader's brother. An elaborate and violent series of skirmishes and chases ensue. Rapper-actors Ice-T and Ice Cube have roles as leading gang members.

The Long Riders is really excellent. Hill's a really underrated director.

Also Last Man Standing is quite good if you can over the fact that you've seen the source material a zillion times.

I didn't see Undisputed. It did not look good.

i didn't see undisputed either. i barely remember it's existence.

I remember seeing the previews and thinking "oh Walter".

those first 3 films - Hard Times, The Driver, The Warriors - are sooooo great (and Long Riders is also good, but it's been ages since i've seen it)but it does get rather spotty after that.

Anyone seen Wild Bill? If so, gimme a quick review before I put it on my Netflix queue.

cool i never knew he did The Driver. But my vote will always go for Warriors.

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I thought Undisputed was pretty good, actually.

Wild Bill -- excellent Jeff Bridges and Ellen Barkin in a Western elegy. Even David Arquette is tolerable.

Undisputed is so-so, but Peter Falk is obscenely hilarious.

Of the 7 I've seen, The Long Riders, Wild Bill and Geronimo are my favorites. Tried to watch Hard Times last month, but it's only out as a pan&scan DVD!!!

gotta be The Warriors

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i thought 'streets of fire' would do better. isnt it some sort of cult movie?

also i saw 'undisputed' yesterday. its such a sweet and goofy movie! a sweet goofy prison boxing movie.

Those top 4 are in reverse order it seems to me.

the ILXors' fave at age 13 romps again

how did I miss this thread!? I've been on a Hill kick lately, just watched Extreme Prejudice and the Driver for the first time. I'd take Southern Comfort, Extreme Prejudice, Undisputed and Trespass over The Driver. I need to see Streets Of Fire, The Long Riders and Red Heat (probably the only mid-80s Schwarzenegger flick I haven't seen).

I probably would have voted for Southern Comfort if I had to pick just one.

man, i wish i'd represented for Red Heat.

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is Extreme Prejudice worth a look? I just watched an old Siskel and Ebert rave.

totally entertaining with a nice 'wild bunch' ripoff element to it.

it has powers boothe playing with a scorpion and referring to himself in the third person, nick nolte at his buffest and a totally superfluous team of mercenaries led by michael ironside used as fodder during the bloody climax. in other words, yes.

rip torn as nolte's shotgun-wielding deputy!

Michael Ironside and Rip Torn? In one movie? Sold.

Torn was in it? may need to revisit it myself.

tried to watch red heat but couldn't get past jim belushi.

johnny handsome has its moments

ironside's mercenaries include clancy brown and william forsythe as well

No votes?!

Should rename it It's a B Action, B Action, B Action, B Action World.

tbh i would have voted for extreme prejudice if i'd seen the poll in time

seeing as how "the driver" came in second i can't say i get that poll at all

Though had I seen it beforehand Southern Comfort would have tied.

I enjoyed Southern Comfort more than Deliverance, actually.

Jeff Bridges aside, I thought Wild Bill wasn't worth the time

Southern Comfort had a great Ry Cooder soundtrack...

I thought Undisputed was pretty good, actually.

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i liked undisputed. it's pretty bare-bones, but tough in that walter hill way. it's nothing remarkable, but if you think you might like a prison boxing movie with wesley snipes and ving rhames, it's worth a look.

The Driver is playing at the Museum of the Moving Image in Queens today.

Undisputed's good, but Undisputed 2 & 3 are a hundred times better.

and The Driver beats the hell out of Michael Mann's LA glitz.

Virtually every Walter Hill movie beats the hell out of Michael Mann's entire oeuvre.

Streets of Fire is a cheapo MTV-indebted future shock movie with a good-looking cast.

He's no Don Siegel.

who is?

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yeah i get that hill was trying to do MTV w/ streets of fire but it doesn't really come across like MTV per se, it's like hill's weird-ass version of MTV

Dan Hartman's theme song says all I need really.

also the music is terrible

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In the last two weeks, I bought Southern Comfort and Hard Times on Blu-Ray. They look amazing, and honestly I'd forgotten just how good they are. Hard Times is black-humored and surprisingly humanistic, and Southern Comfort is one of the most tense movies of that period, and gets male group dynamics pretty much perfect.

(I have to admit that as directors of manly action movies go, I prefer don siegel. not to mention howard hawks. but hill was about as good as we got in the 1980s, a few films by john mctiernan aside.)

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there are some dumb plot holes/plausibility issues in southern comfort but it's mostly a brilliantly directed film... powers boothe is so good.

as far as '80s pure action directors i think mctiernan is probs the best for sure (at least stateside), unless we count james cameron i guess.

hill is right up there with them, though, as well as john carpenter though i guess he was working less in action and more in sci-fi and fantasy (as did cameron, of course.)

andrew davis had a really great run at the end of the decade; at face value code of silence and above the law look like generic action films but they're really pretty stellar gritty chicago thrillers (the package seems even more generic but is just about as good.)

honorable mention to spielberg and richard donner, since the former released the indiana jones trilogy and the latter did the first two lethal weapons.

'extreme prejudice', though, is really the ultimate overlooked '80s action flick. the central conceit of nolte facing down boothe across the border is pretty sweet but throw in the black ops CIA guys and a bank robbery and it just takes it next level. and that cast is incredible.

I tried to watch Long Riders a while back, but I didn't really like it & bailed halfway through

Driver, The Warriors, and Deadwood Pilot. Good job, Walt.

The Long Riders is so close to being great. I actually like the brothers-playing-brothers thing, I think the robberies are well staged, but there's something just slightly off about it...I think it's that he has no idea how to shoot peaceful domesticity. Anytime they're not being hunted or committing crimes, the whole thing just falls flat.

i found long riders kind of soporific. honorable, but soporific. good acting though -- keith carradine especially.

i don't know exactly what's wrong with it... maybe it feels too studied, too reverent, esp. compared with the hill films that came before it.

james cameron isn't the best when it comes to staging/shooting violence (in that respect, none of these guys can hold a flame to tsui hark or sammo hung etc.), but he's pretty great at action movie plotting and pacing... or at least he used to be.

i should add though that the car chases in the driver are some of the most beautifully edited/shot sequences in all of american cinema

that's esp. apparent on a big screen, they are captivating

i think my thing with long riders is it's real pretty to watch but the cast aren't quite up to that level. like walter either needed to dial himself down or them up. it felt like a superbly shot lifetime movie or something idk

"Studied" and "reverent" definitely get close to my problems with it. I own the DVD (also own The Driver and The Warriors, but the latter is the terrible "Ultimate Director's Cut" with all the comic-book-art inserts; I need to get the earlier Paramount DVD from eBay) and should watch it again.

There's a Japanese Region 1 Blu-Ray of Extreme Prejudice.

Got the aforementioned Japanese Blu-Ray of Extreme Prejudice in today's mail; watching it now. It looks fantastic. A totally pristine restoration, not a speck of dirt anywhere, full widescreen - totally worth the $50 it cost me (including shipping).

Charles Taylor on the grungy 1972 Hill-scripted private eye film reuniting "I Spy" stars Bill Cosby and Robert Culp, Hickey & Boggs:

Los Angeles looks like it’s on its last legs, the kind of decaying city where the Greyhound station would be the brightest spot in town. It’s a street-level view of the city, what you see driving or walking, not the view from the high-rises springing up round town. The partners’ office is round the back of an ancient brick building next to the rear door of a shoe store that doesn’t look as if anyone ever goes in. But no one ever seems to be anywhere in this Los Angeles. This is a noir that takes place mostly in daylight and yet, from scene to scene, it feels almost as empty as any shadowy street at night. All the locations are in rundown, nearly deserted parts of the city, an elephant’s graveyard of urban life. By the time the movie climaxes on a deserted stretch of beach, you barely notice the Pacific rolling in, and the sun shining through what looks like the only clean air in the movie. You feel as beat out as Hickey, dropping to his knees in the sand. He and Boggs seem so stunned they made it to the end of the case that they can barely take notice of the bodies all around them. They can only mutter that “nobody came … nobody cares.”

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It's nice to see that one get upgraded. MGM put it out as a MOD disc a few years ago, and it looked surprisingly good, like the transfer had been meant for a proper physical release before the business changed.

Kino Lorber puts out the Blu on Dec 2... Tarantino's New Beverly in LA is showing it next week.

Walter Hill's got a new one coming soon, TOMBOY, A REVENGER'S TALE, starring Michelle Rodriguez. IMDb synopsis:

Following an ace assassin who is double crossed by gangsters and falls into the hands of rogue surgeon known as The Doctor who turns him into a woman. The hitman now a hitwoman sets out for revenge, aided by a nurse named Johnnie who also has secrets.

Wish it was Mickey Rourke in the lead.

Maron interviews:

http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-805-walter-hill

i really need to get on that Japanese region 1 blu ray of Extreme Prejudice mentioned upthread.

I've hardly seen any of this guy's films but Streets Of Fire is a really mixed bag, the hero is surrounded by better acting than he's delivering, he's excessively reckless even for the character and passes up an early opportunity to shut down the villain.
Liked the Cooder tracks, loved the Jim Steinman end song.

Had another look at The Driver... really a deadpan existential comedy when it works (80% of the time). Bruce Dern never better. Apparently Isabelle Adjani felt she made a bad choice in doingf a genre film for her first Hollywood project, and got offered only crap in the USA after it flopped.

where can you even watch The Driver?

at the Metrograph yesterday!

also the Blu released in 2013, which i've never seen. I think the Alamo video store might have it.

it's kind of shameful that Extreme Prejudice remains unaccounted for on blu-ray stateside. Shout! Factory should get on that.

XP...and the DVD is still in print and cheap (The domestic Blu is one of those OOP Twilight Time limited editions meaning $$$$)

I watched it on Blu-Ray in 2013 and the print was good.

or maybe it was the DVD; my library had it.

the TRANSFER

it is INSANE that the two songs on the Streets of Fire soundtrack by "Fire Inc." are 6 and 7 minutes long respectively

i mean i love "Nowhere Fast" as much as the next guy but it's 6 minutes with no changes in dynamics or tempo or anything, just relentless uptempo '80s hard pop

How is it that there's no Streets of Fire thread and very little discussion itt? I would've thought it was right up ILX's alley.

Just saw it for the first time. Yes, it's dumb as a brick and all style/no substance. But oh what style! I guess yr enjoyment will depend on how you feel about the notion of Hill making a spiritual sequel to The Warriors which also functions as a film adaptation of 'Holding Out for a Hero', with all of the depth and narrative complexity of the latter.

I'll acknowledge that it isn't actually good but I could probably make a quick list of fifty things I loved about it.

I saw The Warriors in a theater during its first release. I was probably one of the only people who ever deliberately chose to see this because it was said to be based on Xenophon's Anabasis. I left the theater a bit disappointed that the Xenophon angle had been so muted, but on the whole I was a satisfied customer. It had panache.

Well this looks promising

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Should be awesome; Chaw is great. His segment on 48 Hours in last year's Netflix series Voir is worth a watch too.

Pre-ordered. Hill has deserved serious analysis for a long fuckin' time. (I'm very curious how Chaw will deal with Extreme Prejudice, a movie I love unreservedly.)

He really had one of the greatest streaks of any director ever... Hard Times, The Driver, The Warriors, The Long Riders, Southern Comfort and 48 Hrs. in less than a decade? Jesus.

For some reason, the release of "Extreme Prejudice" made a big impression on me. I remember the print ad in the paper, I vaguely remember the Siskel & Ebert review. That was back in 1987, when I would scour listings and magazines and make spreadsheets of upcoming movies I wanted to see, mostly Hollywood and genre stuff, because I was 12. And yet, I never got around to actually seeing the movie ... until tonight. It's got a heck of a pedigree, not just Walter Hill or some lingering John Milius madness but a cast of all sorts of familiar faces: Nick Nolte, Powers Boothe, Rip Torn, Michael Ironside, María Conchita Alonso, Rip Torn, William Forsythe, Clancy Brown, Larry B. Scott (from "Revenge of the Nerds"), "Tiny" Lister, a bunch of other background randos I recognized.

And you know what? Despite its pedigree, it's just not that good. It's like 30 minutes of movie stretched out to just over 90, and while it aims for "The Wild Bunch" it's got a lot more in common with an episode of "The A*Team." The score, too; Ry Cooder gets a credit for handling the traditional Mexican music that sometimes gets a spotlight, but most of the music is a totally incongruous synthed-out score from Jerry Goldsmith, which does the grimy, sweaty locations no favors. Kind of a bummer, imo. Feels rushed and incomplete, less an unpolished gem and more just kind of a dull rock.

New Bluray of Southern Comfort happening:

https://vinegarsyndrome.com/collections/frontpage/products/southern-comfort

2-disc Set: 4K Ultra HD / Region Free Blu-ray
4K UHD presented in High-Dynamic-Range
Newly scanned & restored in 4K from its 35mm interpositive
Commentary track with Walter Chaw, author of A Walter Hill Film: Tragedy and Masculinity in the Films of Walter Hill
"Battle in the Bayou" (17 min) - brand new interview with co-writer / director Walter Hill
"Behind Enemy Lines" (26 min) - brand new featurette with editor Freeman A. Davies and assistant editor Lisa Zeno Churgin
"Soldiers, Not Mailmen" (17 min) - brand new interview with costumer Dan Moore
"Into the Unknown" (15 min) - brand new interview with film historian Wayne Byrne on Southern Comfort and the legacy of Walter Hill
Archival featurette featuring interviews with: co-writer / director Walter Hill and co-writer / producer David Giler, along with actors Powers Boothe, Keith Carradine, Peter Coyote and Lewis Smith (27 min)

I watched it on Blu-Ray in 2013 and the print was good.

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or maybe it was the DVD; my library had it.

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the TRANSFER

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Trespass is a really fun movie

Hard Times getting shut out here is surprising; rented it from YouTube (as I've said numerous times the past few weeks, it gets a chapter in Charles Taylor's drive-in book), thought it was very good. I would have indeed seen it at the drive-in when it first came out--we were 100% a drive-in family through the '70s--but remembered nothing. Very understated for a boxing movie from someone who (I think) became identified with action films. Jill Ireland, sad and touching here, sure was beautiful.

Yeah, Hard Times is great. Twilight Time (RIP) put out a Blu-Ray a few years ago and I grabbed one.