Salman Rushdie

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With the tragic news that Sir Salman Rushdie is getting a divorce from his fourth wife, Padma Lakshmi, we wonder just which of his books first attracted the model, actress, and host of Top Chef 2 to this doyen of magic realism, and which one finally made her give up on him.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Midnight's Children 5
Haroun and the Sea of Stories 3
Grimus 1
The Moor's Last Sigh 1
Shalimar the Clown1
The Satanic Verses 1
The Jaguar Smile: A Nicaraguan Journey 1
Shame 1
East, West 0
The Ground Beneath Her Feet 0
Fury 0
Step Across This Line: Collected Nonfiction 1992 - 2002 0
Imaginary Homelands: Essays and Criticism 0


Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 08:41 (seventeen years ago)

His soon to be ex-wife.

I haven't read any of his books and I doubt I ever will, but I have to say: the man has taste in women.

nathalie, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 08:45 (seventeen years ago)

and the question is?

Ste, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 08:49 (seventeen years ago)

Are cats pies?

nathalie, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago)

The question is in the top bit (which also mentions the fact that he is getting divorced!)

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:01 (seventeen years ago)

I realise that in my attempt to do a Rushdie-like long sentence I missed a question mark off.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:02 (seventeen years ago)

Read some of Midnight's Children, couldn't get into it. Read some of Satanic Verses, couldn't get into it. Read reviews of his latest two or three, they sounded dire. Most overrated writer of the current canon? That overripe, look-at-me-mum style of writing hasn't dated well.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:23 (seventeen years ago)

Your opinion might be more valuable if you'd actually managed to *finish* one of his books.

mitya, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:32 (seventeen years ago)

zelda zonk otm - my experience exactly, except i tried the ground beneath her feet first. i tend to say in public that the fatwa is outrageous but secretly i would cheer inside if someone assassinated him.

well done padma, bleed him dry!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:33 (seventeen years ago)

xpost
Yeah, maybe. But life is too short to finish enormous tomes that I can tell after 50 or so pages that I don't really like. I think I've read enough to say something about the style.

To give Rushdie credit I guess he invented a literary genre that's still going strong: the "colourful" Indian novel, written in English but by someone with an Indian background. On his coattails rode Arandhati Roy, Ghosh, Mistry and others. It's ultimately a pretty middlebrow genre, though: exotic, but not too exotic either, not like translated from another language or anything, and in general fitting into a Western idea of the Booker-centric literary novel.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:36 (seventeen years ago)

i think arundhati roy does this style much, much better.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:41 (seventeen years ago)

midnight's children = classic. satanic verses is uneven but the best bits ascend into the realm of magic realism, the later works are spotty.

m coleman, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:20 (seventeen years ago)

but secretly i would cheer inside if someone assassinated him.

you're a total fuckwit

m coleman, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago)

I am reading Midnight's Children at the moment. Have been for a while, actually. But I am nearly at the end now.

The narrator of that book is actually telling the story (sort of) to a female character named Padma, so I guess that's the answer to the first half of the question. Possibly Ned Trifle II already knew this and I am slow.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:39 (seventeen years ago)

Read some of Midnight's Children, couldn't get into it. Read some of Satanic Verses, couldn't get into it. Read reviews of his latest two or three, they sounded dire. Most overrated writer of the current canon? That overripe, look-at-me-mum style of writing hasn't dated well.

-- Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 09:23 (1 hour ago) Link

With all due respect going from 'couldn't get into' to 'most overrated writer' is a bit of a stretch I think. I don't really understand the last sentence.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago)

xp to Jeff. I wish I were that clever. I was really just trying to open up the whole poll question beyond just saying what was the best one to what was the worst one. I stuck with him to Moors Last Sigh (which I liked a great deal) but did not enjoy TGBHF and haven't bothered with Fury.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:53 (seventeen years ago)

With all due respect going from 'couldn't get into' to 'most overrated writer' is a bit of a stretch I think. I don't really understand the last sentence.

Probably a bit of a stretch, yes. But when I think of his Bookerish contemporaries, I just don't think he holds up so well compared with Coetzee, Ishiguro, Chatwin etc. As for my last sentence, what I meant is he's got a very conspicuous, show-offy style of writing, the sort whose meta-signification seems to be "look at this, this is real, proper literary writing this is"

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago)

To be fair, I probably didn't give Midnight's Children the go it deserved, several people whose opinions I respect have said they liked it.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago)

xp
I know what you mean but I kind of like that! Which is why I'm not sure I understand whether it's held up or not. I think MC had such an impact on me (being as I was 19 all those years ago and mostly into Jane Austen)that it's difficult for me to look at it critically. I think you're probably right in so far as he hasn't moved on that much since then (at least up TMLS which, as I say, is the last one I read all the way through).

Has anybody read Grimus? It's always got cool SF covers but for some reason I've never picked it up. I bet SF fans don't like it.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago)

I think his writing style is of his era - a lot of those Oxbridge writers who started out in the seventies and got big eighties go for the very self-conscious "I-am-writing-literature" styles, with complicated sentence structures and abstruse vocab. Martin Amis, for example. I don't know, I find it offputting, but maybe it's just a question of taste. Whenever reviewers want to praise a writer's style, they always quote some overly complicated or recherché metaphor which has me thinking: "but for me, that's bad writing!"

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago)

Midnight's Children is just fantastic - I had an abortive tilt at it when I was 18, then tried again a few years later when I wasn't quite so drunk. Glad I did.

The only other Rushdie I've read is The Ground Beneath Her Feet, which is fun in a preposterous sort of way. I should catch up with a bit more.

His style's certainly rich and florid, but hell, I like that.

Matthew H, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago)

i tend to say in public that the fatwa is outrageous but secretly i would cheer inside if someone assassinated him.

Your only semi-valid excuse for statement is that you don't know who the fuck he is.

nathalie, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 11:53 (seventeen years ago)

mightnights children is so so great - some of the others are quite nice too.

also there are people on this thread saying completely idiotic things.

as for attracting the model - the ground beneath her feet seems like the obv suspect.

jhøshea, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago)

I always disliked his public persona, so I was pretty surprised when I had to read Shame for a literature class at how much I enjoyed it. Yes, there was *some* of that smugness emanating from the pages, but for the most part it was well-written, well-paced, and even though the ending came perilously close to being an oh-so postmodern* deus ex machina, it still managed to be satisfying rather than anti-climactic. So, I'm voting for that one, as it might get me to read his other stuff at some point, a feat which I didn't think possible.

*I actually like postmodernism a lot, but the 'oh so postmodern, aren't I clever?' brigade annoy the hell out of me.

emil.y, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 12:49 (seventeen years ago)

rushdie's writing has diminishing returns and i think that marrying padma turned his brain to mush (but can you fault him? krowr) satanic verses and midnight's children are classic and great though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago)

whatever excerpt i read of "fury" was pretty hilariously bad and involved the narrator checking out puerto rican girls or something?

bell_labs, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago)

Midnight's children is one of my favorite books. I saw him read/speak last year and it was fantastic - he was really funny, charming, and of course, intelligent.

ENBB, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago)

im (re)reading midnights children right now and its fucking fantastic, again. whatever annoyance might be generated by the sometimes cutesy (tho never as irritatingly cute as, say, eggers or dfw can be at their worst) metafictional tropes (ie the constant reference to the act of the writer writing, long digressions, gleeful skewering of traditional narrative structure, etc) is more than countered by the incredible thematic & metaphorical depth of the thing

max, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago)

Let's not forget: friend to Bono!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago)

I'm constantly baffled by why people would interpret a style like the one in Midnight's Children as being somehow "complicated" or demanding or anything but basically fun: to me, a lot like with White Teeth, it's the sound of a writer taking a whole lot of unpretentious joy in writing, making things happen on the page, and just generally singing and delighting in the whole possibility of it at all. It's just puppyish and energetic.

I still don't understand what the question is:

which of his books first attracted the model ... and which one finally made her give up on him

is two questions, and the answer is "who knows," and I'm assuming you just want us to vote for BEST RUSHDIE, right?

nabisco, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago)

I mean, I can understand finding that style hyper or overly puppyish or hectic or whatever, but talking about it like some dense, demanding, complicated thing seems off the mark.

nabisco, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

"Energetic" is a compliment, "puppish" most certainly is not, as it's only one degree removed from "cloying" or "ingratiating." Rushdie's style isn't at all like this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

Grimus is... an interesting failure. It's clumsy and not sci-fi at all and more of an amateurish re-write of the far superior Mount Analogue by Renee Dumal. I agree with the thread consensus here that he has diminishing returns, his last few books are so self-consciously constructed their practical parodies of his earlier work - which probably peaked with Midnight's Children/the Moor's Last Sigh/Shame. Haroun and the Sea of Stories was a great little diversion from his normal template, and definitely is better off for it.

In terms of his personality the guy seems like a horrible creep, and Cronenberg's rejection of Rushdie's more self-centered plot ideas for Existenz is rather telling in that Rushdie rarely steps out of himself far enough to really go anywhere interesting. And his literary spawn - Roy et al - I find tiresome and irritating in the extreme, but you can't fault someone for having poor imitators...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago)

t's ultimately a pretty middlebrow genre, though: exotic, but not too exotic either, not like translated from another language or anything, and in general fitting into a Western idea of the Booker-centric literary novel.

Seems you're imposing his audience's taste on Rushdie! Besides, his narrators exploit their educational and generational distances.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago)

middlebrowily enough i've read and loved satanic verses (tho it's got probs) and nothing else except essays here and there

lex what the fuck is wrong with you

gff, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago)

he's a fun speaker, he spins a pretty good yarn about becoming a stock villain in sub-bollywood muslim cinema. apparently one film has 'salman rushdie' as a mossad torturer or something

gff, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago)

I think the Ground Beneath Her Feet is where he really started to go wrong - his alternate universe rock-n-roll history is so unconvincing and clumsy, and it was hard for me to not read the whole book as some sort of adolescent wish-fulfillment silliness that Bono encouraged him to indulge in.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago)

You may not be wrong, Shakes.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago)

lex what the fuck is wrong with you

-- gff, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:19 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

he's a fun speaker, he spins a pretty good yarn about becoming a stock villain in sub-bollywood muslim cinema.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago)

your point?

gff, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago)

the second one answers the first, duh

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago)

salman rushdie talking about how he's a villain character in movies made for a muslim audience is what's wrong with lex?

gff, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

It's meta, get with it grandad.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago)

His wife's hot. First the fatwa, now this. Poor guy!

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago)

I still don't understand what the question is:

which of his books first attracted the model ... and which one finally made her give up on him

is two questions, and the answer is "who knows," and I'm assuming you just want us to vote for BEST RUSHDIE, right?

All I wanted was for us to talk about what his best book was (and vote for that) and where it all went wrong (or even if it did all go wrong). I didn't make that very clear. So anyway VOTE FOR YOUR FAVOURITE and then tell me about when you stopped reading him (if you did). I have never met anyone who read Fury, but it sold a few copies so I'm sure someone must have.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago)

Fury is terrible. I read it on vacation in Barcelona and it just made me want to hurt people with its stupid puppet-maker conceits and and internet-economy jokes and hamfisted "satire".

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago)

To give Rushdie credit I guess he invented a literary genre that's still going strong: the "colourful" Indian novel, written in English but by someone with an Indian background. On his coattails rode Arandhati Roy, Ghosh, Mistry and others. It's ultimately a pretty middlebrow genre, though: exotic, but not too exotic either, not like translated from another language or anything, and in general fitting into a Western idea of the Booker-centric literary novel.

-- Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:36 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i kind of wonder what you know about indian literature, or what language you think he ought to write in, or whether there's something wrong with colour that i should know about. i mean if it's exotic to you, that's cool, whatever, or if it's not exotic enough, also cool, though sorry about that -- if there are novels in translation you think are better, i'm all ears. because, of course, novels in translation aren't aimed at a Western audience...

what I meant is he's got a very conspicuous, show-offy style of writing, the sort whose meta-signification seems to be "look at this, this is real, proper literary writing this is"

-- Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, July 3, 2007 12:09 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

use of 'meta-signification' = "look at this, this is real, proper literary criticism this is"

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago)

if there are novels in translation you think are better, i'm all ears.

I prefer R.K. Narayan to almost every other Indian-oriented writer mentioned so far (esp Roy, ugh)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago)

I haven't read a book of his I didn't like - even his travelogue about visiting the US in the 50s was great

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago)

look at this, this is real, proper literary writing this is

This is weird, since his early style seems like so much the OPPOSITE. I feel like I read somewhere that after his first novel didn't do so well, he made a promise to his family that if the next one didn't fly, he'd give up trying -- allegedly one reason why Midnight's Children reads so much like someone having fun, at least trying to amuse himself, even if it's his last hurrah. The impulse feels quite far from a devotion to "real, proper, literary writing" -- much more of a "screw it, can I make pull this comic coincidence off? why not!"

nabisco, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago)

I know a guy, an ex-policeman, who was involved in ensuring Salman Rushdie's security, travelled all over the world with him. From his long time interaction with him, I can confirm that Salman Rushdie is indeed a dickhead.

The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 February 2019 10:55 (six years ago)

jfc Sean O'Grady

See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:11 (six years ago)

three years pass...

Eyewitnesses on twitter saying he was able to walk offstage, thank goodness.

lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 12 August 2022 15:47 (two years ago)

that is good to hear, thanks, the photos are disturbing

rob, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:50 (two years ago)

NY State Police: "On August 12, 2022, at about 11 a.m., a male suspect ran up onto the stage and attacked Rushdie and an interviewer. Rushdie suffered an apparent stab wound to the neck, and was transported by helicopter to an area hospital. His condition is not yet known." pic.twitter.com/W1SgRti1pz

— Dan Linden (@DanLinden) August 12, 2022

terry and june as hauntological relic (Matt #2), Friday, 12 August 2022 16:13 (two years ago)

Looks like my previous post may have been incorrect, apologies. His condition is unclear at the moment

lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 12 August 2022 16:14 (two years ago)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%8A&src=typed_query

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Friday, 12 August 2022 17:37 (two years ago)

the bounty is supposedly up to 3,300,000 US dollars.

President Keyes, Friday, 12 August 2022 17:40 (two years ago)

CNN: The bounty has never been lifted, though in 1998 the Iranian government sought to distance itself from the fatwa by p?ledging not to seek to carry it out. But if somebody does get him, without gov assistance---? Just somebody pissed off by foiling of Bolton-Pompeo assassinations??
Witness claims no security, no metal detector, but state trooper (and civilians) intervened, after the stabbing.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/us/salman-rushdie-attacked/index.html

dow, Friday, 12 August 2022 18:56 (two years ago)

any rapper with more than 100k Youtube plays has security, but Salman Rushdie walks around unguarded?

President Keyes, Friday, 12 August 2022 19:28 (two years ago)

I’ve seen him dining out in my neighborhood a couple of times, never with security. Based on a bit of eavesdropping he seems to have a good sense of humor.

Josefa, Friday, 12 August 2022 20:53 (two years ago)

Do we know for sure that he was stabbed for religious/political reasons, and not because he boned someone's wife or something?

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 12 August 2022 21:37 (two years ago)

maybe litcrit

dow, Friday, 12 August 2022 21:48 (two years ago)

(see upthread)

dow, Friday, 12 August 2022 21:49 (two years ago)

source is the NY Post, but fwiw

Hadi Matar, 24, was arrested after he stormed the stage at the Chautauqua Institution in Western New York and allegedly stabbed the author in the neck.

Sources told The Post that an initial investigation suggests Hadi is sympathetic to the Iranian regime and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.

and he'd still be widely fêted for doing allah's work even if it turned out he wasn't an islamist nutjob

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Friday, 12 August 2022 21:55 (two years ago)

Jesus at the damage done.

Rushdie’s agent, Andrew Wylie, sent an update on his condition to NYT, saying Rushdie was on a ventilator and could not speak. “The news is not good," he said. "Salman will likely lose one eye; the nerves in his arm were severed; and his liver was stabbed and damaged."

— Josie Ensor (@Josiensor) August 12, 2022

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 August 2022 23:32 (two years ago)

fucking hell

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Friday, 12 August 2022 23:46 (two years ago)

and he'd still be widely fêted for doing allah's work even if it turned out he wasn't an islamist nutjob

― f.m. corndog (unregistered), Friday, 12 August 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Who would be doing that?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 August 2022 09:16 (two years ago)

This is Hitoshi Igarashi, a Japanese scholar of Arabic and Persian literature. He was murdered in 1991 for translating Salman Rushdie's novel. Translators have lost their lives for books. pic.twitter.com/zTuqeDJHEh

— Alina Stefanescu (@aliner) August 13, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 August 2022 10:54 (two years ago)

xpost maybe not -widely- but: https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-hardline-newspapers-praise-salman-rushdies-attacker-2022-08-13/

Roz, Saturday, 13 August 2022 11:23 (two years ago)

The 'widely' is what I was questioning.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 August 2022 11:32 (two years ago)

"widely fêted by bottom-feeders on twitter" doesn't have the same ring to it, but it takes very little digging to find examples of users praising the attacker and condemning Rushdie, some with hundreds of retweets and thousands of likes:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%DB%8C?src=hashtag_click

https://twitter.com/search?q=%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%8A&src=typed_query&f=top

(tweet dump in spoiler)

My Hero 💕😍#SalmanRushdie #سلمان_رشدی pic.twitter.com/nBPicB6AMb

— HAMID CH (@chamandar_hamid) August 13, 2022


https://twitter.com/FatmiWrites313/status/1558422651315621893

#سلمان_رشدي
There is a big difference between freedom of speech and sacrilege or profanity. He who dares to insult Islam and Muhammad must expect a similar fate. It is not terrorism; it is heroic defence. pic.twitter.com/2I60h2SyYt

— Ali M. (@AliM12002554) August 13, 2022


HERO 👑💖
(Man who stabbed Knife To Blasphemer Salman Rushdi)#سلمان_رشدی#NewProfilePic pic.twitter.com/wATjXHFV1B

— سید || ☫𓂆 (@SyedZain313) August 12, 2022


MASHA ALLAH Bro❤❤
you are hero of whole Muslim Ummah #سلمان_رشدي pic.twitter.com/5JXCIGD6jw

— Ch Shakoor Mehsi gujjaR(PTI) (@gujjar_mehsi) August 13, 2022


البطل اللّي طعن #سلمان_رشدي
منفّذ تكليف الإمام الخُميني 'قدّس سرّه' 🤍 pic.twitter.com/9iObFX7MHK

— حوراء (@hawraa_fy311) August 12, 2022


هلاك ⁧الكاتب #سلمان_رشدی⁩ صاحب رواية (آيات شيطانية) المستهزئ بآيات القرآن الكريم .. وتم طعنه علي يد شخص في أحد المسارح بنيويورك
تحيا جهنم من أجلكم pic.twitter.com/jZz5sYUhK5

— المـصــ‏‏ـــــــــرى (@El_Maaaasry) August 12, 2022


في حفظ الله ورعايته ..سلمت يداك ❤#الطعن_المقدس 5️⃣1️⃣ | #سلمان_رشدي pic.twitter.com/IfwRHOsByt

— 𝙼𝙰𝙻𝙰𝙺 ||ملاڪ (@malaksh88) August 12, 2022


كلنا كنا نتمنى أن نكون مكان البطل #هادي_مطر 💪#سلمان_رشدي pic.twitter.com/LR8HAW6uMF

— mazen007 التطبيع_خيانة# (@mazen00711) August 13, 2022


MASHA ALLAH Bro❤❤
you are hero of whole Muslim Ummah #سلمان_رشدي pic.twitter.com/5JXCIGD6jw

— Ch Shakoor Mehsi gujjaR(PTI) (@gujjar_mehsi) August 13, 2022


HERO 👑💖
(Man who stabbed Knife To Blasphemer Salman Rushdi)#سلمان_رشدی#NewProfilePic pic.twitter.com/wATjXHFV1B

— سید || ☫𓂆 (@SyedZain313) August 12, 2022


This is the #HERO southern #lebanese who stabbed the devil yesterday,
We promise you that we will complete the stab in the heart of "Israel".

Insulting #Islam and all religions should not go unpunished.#هادي_مطر #سلمان‌رشدی #USA pic.twitter.com/7XNZZucmQs

— KamalDaeem🇱🇧🇮🇷🇮🇶🇸🇾🇾🇪🇵🇸🇻🇪🇨🇺🇷🇺🇨🇳 (@DaeemKamal) August 13, 2022


توہین رسالت کے منکر سلمآن رشدی پر چاکو سے حملہ کرنے والا مرد مجاہد
اپنی نبی پاک کی حرمت کے لیے ایک لائیک تو بنتا ہے ناں اس کے لیے pic.twitter.com/hEb4oT1tsz

— مریم نوازکا جانثار سپاہی (@naeemishaq1992) August 13, 2022


سلمان رشدی پر چاقو سے وار کرنے مرد مجاہد کیلئے ری ٹویٹ تو بنتا ہے pic.twitter.com/TJZqo2p3AP

— M Shoaib Bjr (@ShoaibBjr) August 13, 2022


نیو جرسی کے رہائشی 24 سالہ نوجوان ہادی مطر نے سلمان رشدی پر حملہ کیا ❣️ pic.twitter.com/CYah8kTev6

— امارتِ اسلامی اردو (@IEAUrduOfficial) August 12, 2022


ملعون سلمان رشدی کی تازہ ترین اپ ڈیٹس
ایک آنکھ سے محروم ایک طرف سے مکمل پیرالائزڈ اور اس کا لیور تباہ و برباد
کیونکہ اللہ تعالی شاید ان کو اس دنیا میں عبرت ناک سزا دیتا ہے
یہ پورے پی ڈی ایم اور رجیم چینج والوں کے لئے ایک عبرت ہے

— RABBIA BIBI PTI💧 (@Rabbia112233) August 13, 2022


سلمان رشدی پر چاقو سے وار کرنے مرد مجاہد کیلئے ری ٹویٹ تو بنتا ہے نا۔😍 pic.twitter.com/WQXeQVaQ24

— Imran Khan 💙 (@ImraanKhaaaan) August 12, 2022


سلمان رشدی سمیت آقا کریم صلی اللہ علیہ و آلہ وسلم کی شان میں جس نے گستاخی کی، ذلت اور رسوائی اسکا مقدر بنی، عاشقان مصطفی ہر جگہ موجود ہوتے ہیں

— Imran Khan (@_ImranRiazkhan) August 13, 2022


سلمان رشدي مهدور دمه👌
كل من ينفذ هذا القرار وتم امساكه فهو شهيد ومن اعظم الشهداء🙏🙏#سلمت_يداك ايها الطاعن في عنق الشيطان pic.twitter.com/XV43NqPani

— ابو حيدر 🇱🇧🇮🇷 (@hamze313haydar) August 13, 2022


گستاخ رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم سلمان رشدی پہ چاقو سے حملہ کرنے والے نوجوان کی تصویر منظر عام پر آگئی pic.twitter.com/TIaOpSkU7A

— Ikramullah Naseem (@realikramnasim) August 12, 2022

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:20 (two years ago)

(or not in spoiler, oops)

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:20 (two years ago)

Yeah man not sure sharing a couple dozen tweets from assholes is really necessary?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:22 (two years ago)

Don't know if I needed to see all 50 of those, but...thanks?

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:30 (two years ago)

I didn't intend to dump those tweets on anyone who clicked on this thread (hence my botched attempt to contain them in a spoiler). but xyzzzz questioned my previous post, so I'm illustrating that the terrorist does appear to have a sizeable support base on social media and that his apologists extend aren't limited to hardline Iranian news outlets

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:43 (two years ago)

extend

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 16:43 (two years ago)

I didn't intend to dump those tweets on anyone who clicked on this thread (hence my botched attempt to contain them in a spoiler). but xyzzzz questioned my previous post, so I'm illustrating that the terrorist does appear to have a sizeable support base on social media and that his apologists extend aren't limited to hardline Iranian news outlets


takes very little digging to find examples of users praising the attacker and condemning Rushdie, some with hundreds of retweets and thousands of likes


User unregistered putting “Salman Rushdie attacker good” into search and thinking he did something. Are you actually upset he was stabbed or looking for an excuse to be angry?

I don’t know if you know this about social media, but you can find hundreds of thousands of likes for just about any horrendous sentiment. It doesn’t necessarily indicate this is a widespread sentiment among normal people. Though interestingly when I click on his hashtag the people I see swimming up again and again are bluetick BJP members and assorted other Hindutva. There are always those who take glee from such an incident even as they squeeze out the crocodile tears, and they tend to be the beneficiaries too.

I’m always (definitely naively) surprised at the extent of the rage about the satanic verses. Rushdie himself is from a Muslim family, if you read much of his early work it’s always drawing from within his own background. Midnight’s Children starts early on with a Kashmiri Muslim family just like his own. I have actually never read this book, bc my understanding is that it’s dense and basically his own take on a fairly archaic matter, though I do own Joseph Anton (about his years in hiding!) so I must dig it out now.

I really hope he makes some sort of recovery. The details so far are just horrific.

At midnight on Sunday, it is the 75th anniversary of Indian independence - and so also of the birth of Saleem Sinai, the fictional protagonist of Salman Rushdie's multitudinous reimagination of modern India. This Picador cover was the edition that I read of it, aged about 16. pic.twitter.com/WHYksb7TLY

— Sunder Katwala (@sundersays) August 13, 2022

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Saturday, 13 August 2022 17:07 (two years ago)

Midnight's Children is the only novel of his I've read — I've read some of his nonfiction too — but I don't recall it being dense, exactly. I thought it was a great read, terrific writing.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:08 (two years ago)

I meant Satanic Verses, not Midnight’s Children, sorry.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:13 (two years ago)

Oh yeah, that was my impression of that too.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:21 (two years ago)

User unregistered putting “Salman Rushdie attacker good” into search and thinking he did something. Are you actually upset he was stabbed or looking for an excuse to be angry?

I don’t know if you know this about social media, but you can find hundreds of thousands of likes for just about any horrendous sentiment. It doesn’t necessarily indicate this is a widespread sentiment among normal people. Though interestingly when I click on his hashtag the people I see swimming up again and again are bluetick BJP members and assorted other Hindutva. There are always those who take glee from such an incident even as they squeeze out the crocodile tears, and they tend to be the beneficiaries too.

yes, I'm actually upset he was stabbed, and will admit that extremist attacks on artists or authors (or cultural landmarks) have a more visceral effect on me than a lot of other admittedly horrific incidents going on in the world right now. I don't claim that it was healthy for me to go in search of confirmation that the attacker has vocal supporters (by simply entering Rushdie's name in the twitter search box, not "heroic warrior" or whatever), but it was my initial anger at the incident (and my understanding that there certainly is widespread support for the violent application of sharia law) that prompted me to go down that road. assholes like those may not be "normal people" and aren't of course representative of the Muslim world as a whole, but it's disturbing in itself that they proliferate in the thousands on social media. the fact that every abhorrent cause has its adherents doesn't mean their existence isn't concerning or widespread in this instance.

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:40 (two years ago)

among normal people

not sure that introducing the concept of 'normal' is going to add clarity to the discussion

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:41 (two years ago)

(xp) Tell us something we don't already know, why don't you?

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:45 (two years ago)

I find it extraordinary that there were apparently no body searches or metal detectors at the venue. Wondering if this was Rushdie's wish or whether it was just that the organisers didn't take his security seriously enough.

lord of the rongs (anagram), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:54 (two years ago)

_among normal people_

not sure that introducing the concept of 'normal' is going to add clarity to the discussion


You’ve never added anything to any of these discussions, so you can keep your opinions on clarity to yourself.

assholes like those may not be "normal people" and aren't of course representative of the Muslim world as a whole, but

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:58 (two years ago)

I find it extraordinary that there were apparently no body searches or metal detectors at the venue. Wondering if this was Rushdie's wish or whether it was just that the organisers didn't take his security seriously enough.


Honestly, it’s been a long time and people were saying he doesn’t seem to have personal security. Maybe it’s been so long in his life that he is so used to it and just goes on as normal?

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Saturday, 13 August 2022 18:59 (two years ago)

oh great this is the new charlie isn't it

Left, Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:06 (two years ago)

for islamophobic concern trolls I mean

Left, Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:07 (two years ago)

It's weird that a god who created the universe is so fragile it can't withstand a little irreverent literature.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:10 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFFZzo0o9M0

f.m. corndog (unregistered), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:32 (two years ago)

Ppl on the right predictably connecting it to cancel culture. Failing to connect it to, you know, banning books.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:46 (two years ago)

Attempted murder isn’t the same as being criticised for your views, it’s more in line with, idkkkkkkk, engaging in incitement towards your political enemies

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Saturday, 13 August 2022 19:56 (two years ago)

Here is a thread on the fatwa in Iranian politics since it was issued. I'd read that instead.

A thread on ‘fatwas’:

A fatwa is a legal ruling delivered by a religious jurist, these days denoted by the rank of Ayatollah or higher. Fatwas are an integral aspect of Shia jurisprudence which operates on the basis of the continuous interpretation of scripture /1

— Ali Ansari (@aa51_ansari) August 13, 2022

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 August 2022 08:08 (two years ago)

"yes, I'm actually upset he was stabbed, and will admit that extremist attacks on artists or authors (or cultural landmarks) have a more visceral effect on me than a lot of other admittedly horrific incidents going on in the world right now. I don't claim that it was healthy for me to go in search of confirmation that the attacker has vocal supporters"

Seriously this is not good, nor is it accurate to get confirmation this way, which is no such thing at all. You could easily type a search that would churn out a lot of Muslims who would wish Rushdie well (I'm not doing that, nor should you).

At least you acknowledge it's not healthy so I'd pause and reflect on it.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 August 2022 08:15 (two years ago)

I find it extraordinary that there were apparently no body searches or metal detectors at the venue. Wondering if this was Rushdie's wish or whether it was just that the organisers didn't take his security seriously enough.

― lord of the rongs (anagram)

I was going to say that after such a long time it wouldn't be all that surprising if gradually he preferred not to have security everywhere he goes, if its expensive and/or intrusive

I know a guy, an ex-policeman, who was involved in ensuring Salman Rushdie's security, travelled all over the world with him. From his long time interaction with him, I can confirm that Salman Rushdie is indeed a dickhead.

― The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.),

But then this sounds like he did have security for a long time, do you know if this was something that eventually stopped? Was it paid for by Rushdie himself?

anvil, Sunday, 14 August 2022 08:43 (two years ago)

You can read all about it in Rushdie's memoir, Joseph Anton, which is very readable. Rushdie does indeed come off as a dickhead, although his situation at the time probably wouldn't bring out the best in anyone.

Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 14 August 2022 08:57 (two years ago)

But then this sounds like he did have security for a long time, do you know if this was something that eventually stopped? Was it paid for by Rushdie himself?

I don't know exactly know when this was - I don't think it was right after the fatwa though. My friend was a serving police officer - he'd already provided security for at least one Secretary of State for Northern Ireland - so it would be financed by the UK government, which might explain why it was eventually withdrawn. When I say he travelled with him all over the world, I'm not exaggerating either. I'd love to hear what he makes of this but he's retired and moved out of London.

Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 August 2022 10:44 (two years ago)

Sounds like he’s hopefully out of the woods

A family statement… @SalmanRushdie #SalmanRushdie pic.twitter.com/tMrAkoqliq

— Zafar Rushdie (@ZafRushdie) August 14, 2022

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Monday, 15 August 2022 10:50 (two years ago)


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