Two hyphens and a space -- who still does this?

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Continuing on the theme of early days of (widespread) email... for email and usenet apps to treat your mail/post properly, you were/are supposed to insert a line consisting of only two hyphens and a space before your signature. Do you now abide, and/or have you ever abided by this convention?

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
A line of what?18
Used to, but don't bother anymore 6
Did since I became aware of it, and still do 5


anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 July 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

i do it to denote a long dash in ascii-style situations -- eg ILX -- but that's not what you mean.

i do remember this convention. i hated it, and spent ages trying to get PINE not to do it.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 12 July 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

-- ILX. It's very important

Keith, Thursday, 12 July 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

Back years ago, people used to always append some sort of knobbish quote, that would 'say something' about themselves, to their emails.

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"Ding dong the witch is dead"
sdfsd!sfdnm!Keith

Keith, Thursday, 12 July 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

i do it to denote a long dash in ascii-style situations -- eg ILX -- but that's not what you mean.

Uh exactly. I fear I may have caused confusion by actually doing this in the thread title...

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 12 July 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

Email signatures are so 1995.

libcrypt, Friday, 13 July 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)

There's no an option for "I do it on the rare occasions when I pretend to have a .sig but otherwise no."

Casuistry, Friday, 13 July 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

True. Also lacks an option for "never cared about that shit". I suggest using option 2 for these cases; no 3 is meant mainly for "I've never even heard about this".

anatol_merklich, Friday, 13 July 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

I still do it. Force of habit, work email needs a sig, etc.

Trayce, Friday, 13 July 2007 06:36 (eighteen years ago)

I did it more because of Usenet than email though.

Trayce, Friday, 13 July 2007 06:36 (eighteen years ago)

Back years ago, people used to always append some sort of knobbish quote, that would 'say something' about themselves, to their emails.

They still do this on just about every message board on the internet that is not ILX.

marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 06:39 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed. And the old maximum-four-sig-lines conventions or similar are long dead. This is a typical example from the forum at wtaworld.com -- yep, they do running comments on tennis matches with these sigs attached; signal/noise -> 0. And all the emoticons are animated obv.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/olem/forumshit.jpg

anatol_merklich, Friday, 13 July 2007 07:35 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahahaha, I have NEVER seen anything that bad before, not even on video game and pro wrestling forums. Complete song lyrics? Whatever the hell that second one is supposed to be? Fucking hell.

marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)

> I have NEVER seen anything that bad before

not a big reader of the Dogs On Acid message board then. that's probably the worst example i know of, a club flyer with every two-word post.

koogs, Friday, 13 July 2007 08:10 (eighteen years ago)

"The world's largest drum and bass / jungle message board"

That would be no.

marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 08:16 (eighteen years ago)

"pro wrestling forums"

8)

koogs, Friday, 13 July 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

just that one for the Benoit thing

marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

how do you start Polls ?

Ste, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

top of the page, click "More..."-->"New Poll"

marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)

ah, it seems to be missing from some stylesheets

Ste, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

actually just the last one

Ste, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I haven't been on Usenet in forever. I wonder if it has changed at all.

Abbott, Thursday, 19 July 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

I was just reading usenet netnews for the first time in ages because I was seeing what was on the private newsgroups for the university I work at. Not much for half a decade of unexpired posts. 2002-2005 is enough to while away an afternoon or two dipping in while waiting for other things, and then nothing.

Occasionally I still think "that is the kind of lyric I would add to my sig file, except it isn't 1998 any more."

People got very upset about how Outlook Express would eat the trailing space and then it wasn't a proper sig separator. I remember getting told off when testing Eudora (back when there weren't many Windows IMAP clients) because it did too. I'd assumed it was old enough to know better.

Related question: when did you give up on old quoting conventions and just type your new email at the top above the entire content of the previous person's email and possibly all the ones before too ("top-posting")? I resisted for a time but when an old newsgroup friend from years before emailed me I was half-surprised to see him do it and finally gave up on it myself. It's nice not sticking so closely to the original order, anyway, and it messes things up if one person's doing it and the other isn't.

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

...to answer the actual poll, used to, don't use sigs any more as they don't really seem appropriate on personal email these days. If I had to I might still just to show I'm aware of a dead convention, but that's all it is to me, so I might not bother.

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

I hated top-posting until Gmail came along. It hides all the stuff you've already read, so I just type at the top, unless I'm replying to a non-Gmail person or pulling out bits of the conversation to reply to.

I still use -- if I'm pretending to have a sig, at work.

stet, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

A line of what?

kenan, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

I hated top-posting until Gmail came along. It hides all the stuff you've already read, so I just type at the top, unless I'm replying to a non-Gmail person or pulling out bits of the conversation to reply to

er, yes. i was about to go FUCK TOP-POSTING; NEVER! but then i realised that gmail means i do it all the time.

shit.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

>>>>>>>>>>>yes it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>nice not to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything looking like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this for no reason
>>>>>rude shit that was

Abbott, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

One of the companies I work for has mandated a standardized signature for all email that has six lines of text and an embedded GIF. After a couple days of "hilarity ensues" I had to explain that most of the email probably wasn't going through because the recipient's spam filter might be blocking anything with an embedded GIF.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I haven't been on Usenet in forever. I wonder if it has changed at all.

There's a few groups I participate in still (sci.space.history, rec.aviation.student, etc.) but usenet is still the best for generalized piracy.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

I've always just deleted any automatic reply-quoting in email, I suppose because:

(1) it looks messy

(2) there is no reason an ongoing correspondence should take up exponentially more and more of your email space due to continually re-saving the same text that's appeared in every piece of mail so far

(3) it has this effect where people in offices suddenly think it's okay to send you email that says (e.g.) "can you take care of this," meaning you have to pick through the entire email exchange below like some kind of detective, in reverse, filtering out endless irrelevant bullshit and constructing some kind of timeline of communication, all to figure out that what they need you to do is something like "fax a copy to Kevin," which they could have typed clearly in two seconds

nabisco, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Thx for voets ppl!

there is no reason an ongoing correspondence should take up exponentially more and more of your email space due to continually re-saving the same text that's appeared in every piece of mail so far

Only quadratically surely?

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)


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